Lack of initiative shown by League

[peadar1987]

Read that document again. Platinum were not investing one cent in Irish football. In fact they were looking to take money out, through their "profit share"

In fairness, "profit share" implies a profit is being made, which is more than you could say for the league at the moment!

[Dodge]

Except, every penny the fai would make would go back into football at some level

With p1, their shareholders get it

[Riddickcule]

Yes but at least they're making more money available for the top level game.

Also, it would lift a burden off the Fai's shoulders so with Lansdowne coming they could invest more into the other levels of football.

[peadar1987]

Except, every penny the fai would make would go back into football at some level

With p1, their shareholders get it

Which would be great if the league under the FAI were making a profit.

[Dodge]

Yes but at least they're making more money available for the top level game.



WHo? pltinum? No they're not. Not one single cent. Seriously, have you not read anything bar the opening two/three paragraphs

[marinobohs]

Which would be great if the league under the FAI were making a profit.

i doubt that the LOI will ever do well under the FAI for the smple reason that they dont care about it. Apart from euro games (and the odd big friendly) you wont see the likes of Dealney gracing any LOI clubs more than once twice a season. the FAI is there to develop the International set up and that is its primary (and only ?) focus, thus the fudge doled out in respect of the "favoured" clubs and the make it up as you go along application of rules.

Not sure if P1 is any sort of solution but it is beyond doubt that the LOI need an outside, independent management body if it is to move forward.

[dcfcsteve]

WHo? pltinum? No they're not. Not one single cent. Seriously, have you not read anything bar the opening two/three paragraphs

Dodge - the idea is that Platinum would make Irish football worth more.

At the moment there is no profit in the game. The only way Platinum could generate one for themselves would be to make the game more attractive etc etc. They don't make a profit unless the game does.

I see nothing wrong with rewarding any organisation who could get Irish football of it's knees and attract more finance and punters into it. It's just like consultancy, only this time the results have to be delivered before the fees get paid.

In an ideal world the FAI would do this and keep every cent in the game. But they've shown that they have neither the expertise, capacity nor desire to do this. So rather than cling to a socialist principle towards football administration, I'd rather see ANYONE have a stab at sorting a game out at this stage, so long as they had some credibility behind them.

[passerrby]

Dodge - the idea is that Platinum would make Irish football worth more.

At the moment there is no profit in the game. The only way Platinum could generate one for themselves would be to make the game more attractive etc etc. They don't make a profit unless the game does.

I see nothing wrong with rewarding any organisation who could get Irish football of it's knees and attract more finance and punters into it. It's just like consultancy, only this time the results have to be delivered before the fees get paid.

In an ideal world the FAI would do this and keep every cent in the game. But they've shown that they have neither the expertise, capacity nor desire to do this. So rather than cling to a socialist principle towards football administration, I'd rather see ANYONE have a stab at sorting a game out at this stage, so long as they had some credibility behind them.

in the words of yosser huges 'giz a job i can do that'
on a serious note p1 never offered anything other that a vague aspiration. and speaking from a small clubs perpective we would never trust these peopleover the fai with our clubs future.

[Dodge]

Dodge - the idea is that Platinum would make Irish football worth more

I relise that steve, but my point is that their proposals are not realistic. Even at that. I understand from their proposals that their "fees" would be taken out before any clubs were paid their "profits"

At the moment the only realistic league admin is the current set up. Until something more credible comes along, all this talk is redundant.

[Macy]

In an ideal world the FAI would do this and keep every cent in the game. But they've shown that they have neither the expertise, capacity nor desire to do this. So rather than cling to a socialist principle towards football administration, I'd rather see ANYONE have a stab at sorting a game out at this stage, so long as they had some credibility behind them.
We've had a stab at a 10 team league, summer football, so why not take a complete punt on something else that's unrealistic and not founded on anything concrete - at least we'd be doing something.

[Dodge]

Because we know the FAI "have to" have a league.

When p1 pull out when the money doesn't come rolling in, its over

[Riddickcule]

Why do you think the money won't come rolling in?

Seriously the pessism, think on the bright side for once.

[pineapple stu]

Why should the money suddenly come rolling in where it never has before, ever?

Thinking on the bright side won't actually do anything.

Also, with my mod hat, you were already warned about the link in your sig. Change it, FFS.

[Dodge]

Why do you think the money won't come rolling in?

History, current affairs and a knowledge of the game in Ireland

If p1 produce multi year contracts signed with major companies, I'll look at their proposals again.

[Riddickcule]

Why should the money suddenly come rolling in where it never has before, ever?

Thinking on the bright side won't actually do anything.

Also, with my mod hat, you were already warned about the link in your sig. Change it, FFS.
I did change it??

[Dodge]

I did change it??

*sigh*

[bennocelt]

Why do you think that? Seriously ffs the conservatism on this forum is doing my head in.

Ireland... Developed Economy, Improved infrastructure, sports mad...of course professional football can work ffs.

It just needs time, money and energy which isn't coming from the Fai.

Something afesh will do the trick, proper marketing in place, strict criteria incl. the management of clubs.
Out with the joints like Salthill and Mervue, ridiculous having 3 clubs in Galway, and that is one of many reasons why the Fai arn't fit to do it.

Base clubs on geography and potential none of this history/sporting s***e..
If the Loi hasn't worked for 70 odd years its not going to work in the next 10, 20 or 30 years.

Bad start to a post IMHO

[Acornvilla]

feck what was in his sig? :)

[Acornvilla]

the gaa would be screwed without the players being amature and the goverment grants... stay away from gaa models its stupid to even consider such a thing a possibility

[peadar1987]

feck what was in his sig? :)

Was it not something about a particular club and intravenous opiate based narcotics?

[Jinxy]

Sweet mother of God, please tell me you are joking?

GAA league crowds are worse than footballs and their attendences were well down this summer. Why copy their model?

Wrong on both counts.
Revenue was down this summer, attendances weren't.

[joeSoap]

I never said anything about adopting the GAA model anyway. What I meant was to try and get supporters thinking the same way from a passion perspective and try and develop more die-hard support.

[Flanno7hi]

Hi all,
Long time lurker first time poster. finding hard to keep up with the league now that i'm living in england.
I think the biggest problem are the bar stool brigade will never go to games because they are too busy supporting English clubs. No matter how much money the fai put into advertising I think the mainstream "west of england" media at home will still have no interest in covering our league. The indo recently did a "irish" football calendar for 2010 - this consisted of the EPL, FA cup and european fixtures. No mention of when the league was even starting. Sure why would anyone care when you cant sit and watch it in superduper Hi-def fat **** 3d on sky sports.

[weecountyman]

Hi all,
Long time lurker first time poster. finding hard to keep up with the league now that i'm living in england.
I think the biggest problem are the bar stool brigade will never go to games because they are too busy supporting English clubs. No matter how much money the fai put into advertising I think the mainstream "west of england" media at home will still have no interest in covering our league. The indo recently did a "irish" football calendar for 2010 - this consisted of the EPL, FA cup and european fixtures. No mention of when the league was even starting. Sure why would anyone care when you cant sit and watch it in superduper Hi-def fat **** 3d on sky sports.

Alot of small countries have major leagues next door but continue to bring in decent crowds, keep good players at home, have decent stadia and compete in Europe. Austria, Switzerland, Belgium to name just a few. In each the community role of clubs is pushed, as is interaction with local government, long term planning and decent facilities. Clubs become attractive for investment because they are useful for a) business and b) politics. Apart from Rovers, what other club would be attractive for politicians (leave off on SF) in Ireland? Not many. In Ireland we are more British than the British themselves and in thrall to their achievements, this won't change with our eastern facing media who ape everything that is bad in the media there. The yoke of colonialism is only a partial excuse, the league and clubs have to accept at least 50% of the blame, and the FAI 20%.

[inmoscow]

I work in advertising and therefore are probably more aware of where adverts are placed than others might be. I find it quite ironic that this site now boasts a rather large noticeable advert from Allianz advertsising its forthcoming sponsorship of its league campaigns. I wonder if the FAI were approached to do something similar for the league? And if so, what its response was.

This is in no way a criticism of the site for getting advertising revenue from the GAA, I applaud it. But surely this sends a message to the LOI and surely tells them that they need to be more proactive, especially now in times of dwindling attendances.:ball:
Say it aint so,joe