Linfield pull out of Setanta Cup

[tiktok]

And since for DCFC that actually means the IFA, then if the FAI are going to (ignore all their own rules and procedures in order to) get DCFC "back" in the LOI, they can't risk the new DCFC being rejected by the IFA (or the old DCFC's registration not being renewed, whichever it is)?

Let's not start that debate again.
If it helps, ye can have Darren Gibson back.

[MariborKev]

Im not sure, simply basing it on the article.

I dont think it's relevant though tbh. Even if it has been paid (fair play if so) Linfield are still right to say it's not the same club and they shouldn't have to play them.

Agreed,

As previously stated, I think we shouldn't be in the competition.

[EalingGreen]

Then you went and spoiled it all by saying something completely untrue.

Dungannon didn't get a settlement from Derry City.
I consciously didn't claim Swifts got a settlement from "Derry City" [sic]. I was aware that the settlement was from people connected with those trying to take over/resurrect/replace the old club - I just wasn't sure exactly what name was on the cheque.



'Firends of Derry City' made an offer to Dungannon which their chairman Jarlath Faloon admitted was both welcomed and unexpected and settled any debt owed Wellvan (the comany they took to court).
Good for them (FODC). But as others have indicated, the FODC may have been under pressure from the FAI to settle Wellvan's debts with Swifts.
And as for Faloon admitting this settlement was "welcome" - I'm sure he did, since let's face it, he wasn't likely to get a penny from anyone else, was he?
Which is not to denigrate FODC, it's just you'll have to forgive me for wondering whether their motives were entirely altruistic and voluntary...



Now i agree that linfield have every right to be agrieved at this 'Theft' and are in no way the bad guys, but they cannot argue that Derry City owes them money on one hand and then refuse a return fixture with the same Derry City by claiming that they are not now the same club. It has to be one or the other.Sorry, but until someone pays LFC the money they are owed, they are quite entitled to do whatever the Hell they like, including declining to accept their Invitation [sic] to compete from Setanta.

What you simply cannot get away from is that if the new guys at the Brandywell want to benefit from their predecessors' Invitation to the Setanta Ball, then they (new guys) need to pay for the predecessors' ticket. Literally.

[Candystripe]

I think £50,000 is a lot more than £5,000 - at least, it was when I was at school.

£5,000 didn't rear Linfield FC.

If effectively stealing money (knowing that you had no way of paying for the tickets) rocks your boat, good for you.

Does anyone actually think any Derry fans would have been given tickets for the game at Windsor Pk if Linfield had known that Derry would refuse to pay for them?:eek:


Of course £5,000 didn't rear Linfield FC.That's just pocket change compared to what Linfield recieve from the I.F.A.........in fact so is £50,000.

Linfield have been crying for ages about the SC, remember them not wanting mon/tues games and wanting Sat games?Then though and behold they get their way and whoooooosh now weekend games don't suit.

In football matters Derry are the same club and everyone here knows it,we're the same Derry fans here having discussions with fans from Linfield,Glentoran,Cliftonville and most L.O.I. clubs today,last month and two years ago.We're the same people that only six months ago were chatting about our European games.

Yes indeed we are also the same fans that had our club sh1t on from within and we are now trying to move on, if that means not playing in the Setanta cup then so be it.

If Linfield want to pull out and we have a play-off with St Pats then that's fine to.

IMO we won't be playing in it and St Pats and Linfield will decide who goes through in their two games.

[Mr_Parker]

Why is everyone so sure Linfield have not been paid/that no agreement reached with them?

Linfield have not been paid, nor have Cliftonville. As for any "agreement" :rolleyes:

[A N Mouse]

Should Derry play in the setanta? No

Should Linfield get their money? Yes

But the two are unrelated, and the statement from Linfield is a disingenuous attempt to further denigrate [not that it's needed] the competition, by preempting whatever decisions are made about the future of DCFC. The fact that's it's probably also the death knell for the competition, is just an added bonus.

[EalingGreen]

Does anyone actually think any Derry fans would have bought tickets for the game at Windsor Pk if we had known that Linfield would refuse to play the return game.


Hang on. If DCFC had paid LFC their money, then they (LFC) would have had no grounds for withdrawing from the competition...:rolleyes:



Rub it up them the crying c**ts.Oh ffs! You do realise you Derry wans are all causing me to stick up for Linfield here?

I have a reputation to maintain, I'll have you know...;)

[brendy_éire]

Let's be clear about this - are you claiming that Linfield were originally scheduled to play Derry City at the Brandywell on 29th August 2009?:confused:

I couldn't be bothered getting into it. It's completely irrelevant anyway.


So, if this game is not to be played and Derry had it factored into their 2010 budget, does this mean they will be cutting Kenny's spending power by around 30K to 40k?

The budget for this year wouldn't include any from any Setanta matches. No-one said that. But it would be welcome extra cash.

On the money owed to Linfield: That money is owed by Wellvan. If FODC make a payment to LFC, so be it. But LFC have no right to demand anything from the new Derry City.

Relating back to the Belfast Telegraph article, the money owed to Linfield by Wellvan isn't the issue anyway. The issue is that Linfield would be playing a new Derry City.
It's interesting to note that Kerr doesn't suggest any solution to the situation. He doesn't even leave any scope for a possible solution from Setanta. "Dead in the water", as far as he's concerned.

For the record, I don't think we have any right to be in the Setanta, but if we're invited (which it seems we have been), we shouldn't turn it down.

Whilst having to play the new Derry City is the excuse, the real issue is that Linfield don't want, for whatever reason, to play in the Setanta.
And here, fair enough. No-one is going to force Linfield to play in a tournament they don't want to. But at least have the balls to come out and say it rather than use our situation as an excuse to jump ship half way through the competition.

[MariborKev]

For the record, I don't think we have any right to be in the Setanta, but if we're invited (which it seems we have been), we shouldn't turn it down.

Has Derry City Football Club Ltd been specifically invited to compete and replace Wellvan Enterprises T/A DCFC? Love to see where the evidence of this is.

[brendy_éire]

Has Derry City Football Club Ltd been specifically invited to compete and replace Wellvan Enterprises T/A DCFC? Love to see where the evidence of this is.

Who knows? Belfast Telegraph/Linfield obviously think so though.

[Not Brazil]

Why is everyone so sure Linfield have not been paid/that no agreement reached with them?

Statement from Linfield Football Club (as appeared in programme versus Cliftonville 12.12.09

"We are pleased to report than an official of the steering group involved with the restoration of Derry City Football Club has been in touch with our Club with a view to settling the debt incurred over the sale of tickets for the Linfield/Derry City Setanta Sports Cup game at Windsor Park in October. This matter is progressing and we look forward to the full settlementof the amount owed by Derry City to Linfield Football Club"

As of today, no monies have been received by Linfield FC from anyone representing Derry City FC in settlement of this debt.


I couldn't be bothered getting into it. It's completely irrelevant anyway.


Then why did you raise it?:confused:

[Riddickcule]

Thats just sad on Linfields part, grow up and get over it, nobody saw it coming.

[EivissaPaul]

Fair Play to them! I totally agree with them.

[brendy_éire]

Statement from Linfield Football Club (as appeared in programme versus Cliftonville 12.12.09

"We are pleased to report than an official of the steering group involved with the restoration of Derry City Football Club has been in touch with our Club with a view to settling the debt incurred over the sale of tickets for the Linfield/Derry City Setanta Sports Cup game at Windsor Park in October. This matter is progressing and we look forward to the full settlementof the amount owed by Derry City to Linfield Football Club"

There is no 'restoration' here, a new club is being created.
And no amount is owed by Derry City to LFC.


Then why did you raise it?:confused:

I raised it when making a point in relation to Linfield's general attitude towards the Setanta Cup. However, it is irrelevant to Linfield's refusal to play us next month.

Again, Linfield are having it both ways. They claim in the programme that they're are owed money by Derry City. Yet in their Belfast Telegraph statement they claim that they're not going to play Derry City because it's a new club.

[Not Brazil]

Thats just sad on Linfields part, grow up and get over it, nobody saw it coming.

Really?

The Directors of the "old" Derry City didn't see it coming?:eek:



Again, Linfield are having it both ways. They claim in the programme that they're are owed money by Derry City. Yet in their Belfast Telegraph statement they claim that they're not going to play Derry City because it's a new club.

Ok, I'll side with you being a new Club then.

You shouldn't be in the Setanta Cup, it's a disgrace that you are, and we'll not be playing you in it.

If that costs you a big pay day - tough luck.

Derry City can't have it both ways - what right has this "new" club got to be in the competition, and claiming prize money - when the "old" club folded owing monies to one fellow competitor, and were in dispute with another competitor over finance (Cliftonville)?

Long runs the fox.:)

[MariborKev]

Does anyone actually think any Derry fans would have bought tickets for the game at Windsor Pk if we had known that Linfield would refuse to play the return game.

Wise up.

I wouldn't have bought tickets if I had known the directors were going to misappropriate the monies.

[A N Mouse]

Long runs the fox.:)

Well Linfield's statement shows them to be playing a crafty game :p

[brendy_éire]

I wouldn't have bought tickets if I had known the directors were going to misappropriate the monies.

Of course not. But that's not the reason Linfield aren't playing the return game.

[A N Mouse]

Of course not. But that's not the reason Linfield aren't playing the return game.

What return game?

[brendy_éire]

What return game?

The one that's meant to be next month.

[MariborKev]

Yeah, but the home team went bust do you not remember?

[brendy_éire]

Yeah, but the home team went bust do you not remember?

Fine. Not 'return leg' then. Let's just call it the 'Brandywell leg'. :)

[MariborKev]

Brendy,

I don't see how we have a leg to stand on.

The team that competed in 2009 is bust. Inviting any team into the competition at this point is just a shambles.

LFC need to be paid irrespective or Setanta to give us a shout of applying for a licence.

[MariborKev]

Statement from Linfield Football Club (as appeared in programme versus Cliftonville 12.12.09

NB, agreement was reached after that AFAIK.

[CSFShels]

Brendy,

I don't see how we have a leg to stand on.

The team that competed in 2009 is bust. Inviting any team into the competition at this point is just a shambles.

LFC need to be paid irrespective or Setanta to give us a shout of applying for a licence.
Fair play.

[OneRedArmy]

It seems to me the whole Derry City shambles is a useful cover for Linfield to pull out of a competition thats dying on its arse.

Like many things in Irish football it promised a lot at the beginning, but the usual apathy from clubs, fans and respective associations have effectively killed it off.

If it was taken seriously it would've replaced League Cups, County Antrim Rinky Dink Shields etc. and become at worst the 4th priority tournament (after League, Cup and Euro). Instead it was squeezed into an already overcrowded schedule (particularly with the LoI clubs frequently having semi-decent Euro runs at the same time).

The draws weren't particularly kind as well, how exciting is another 2 Big 2 Belfast derbies in a season?

[brendy_éire]

I don't see how we have a leg to stand on.

The team that competed in 2009 is bust. Inviting any team into the competition at this point is just a shambles.

Everything about our club last season was a shambles.
If Setanta want to invite us into the SSC, fair enough. That's their call to make. No Derry fan is claiming we have any right to be in the SSC.
LFC are complaining about it, using it as an excuse to withdraw. They could have suggested an alternative to us filling Wellvan's place, but they haven't. They don't want a solution to this problem because they want to SSC to fail. They wanted out, and we've given them the excuse, albeit a half decent one.

TBH, what I'm most fecked off about isn't that we won't be playing in this season's SSC, it's that this will kill it off completely. Maybe it was dead anyway, who knows, but it certainly can't continue without Linfield.

[MariborKev]

They could have suggested an alternative to us filling Wellvan's place, but they haven't.

Why should they, that is the organising committee's job.

If the shoe was on the other foot and Pats or Linfield had "reformed" I would be demanding they be removed from our group and the group decided between the two remaining teams.

[brendy_éire]

If the shoe was on the other foot and Pats or Linfield had "reformed" I would be demanding they be removed from our group and the group decided between the two remaining teams.

So would I. But that's not what Linfield are doing.

[1895ringsend]

Fair play to Linfield for taking a stand and pulling out. Derry city new or old should be grateful for the first div license the FAI are surely gonna grant them for next season. It will be an opportuntity to start fresh. As bad as we were at least we done the honourable thing and pulled out of the compeition when we went in to meltdown some years back. If Derry city is a 'new' club then it has no right to be in the setanta cup. I do agree most Derry fans here are'nt saying they have a divine right to be in it and its up to setanta to invite them but if money is owed by the 'old' club to Linfield then why should'nt Linfield be up in arms about it while derry get off with this debt and continue where the old club left off? Derry can't be allowed to jump from being a 'new' club to 'old' club when it suits them.

[Not Brazil]

NB, agreement was reached after that AFAIK.

I'll take your word on that MK, but I can tell you, as of right now, no monies have been received.

[Flexy]

Fed up with this Linfield carry on a club who gets £400k + from the IFA annually and also had to rerarrange the fixture last year against Derry because Norn ireland had a game against sweden two nights later. Im fed up listening to Linfield club moaning about this and that, yous rule the Irish league with your mickey mouse tactics now your trying to rule the setanta cup. LOI clubs had to commence the competion last yr before the their season started to facilitate them, DJ of Linfield always moaning about fatigue here fatigue their, why dont they give up the meaningless county antrim shield and play in a bigger competiton and stop their whinging.

[Flexy]

I'll take your word on that MK, but I can tell you, as of right now, no monies have been received.
I can tell you now DCFC the new club have tried to contact Linfield on 4 occassions to pay the amount owing not once after voicemail messages has a member of Linfield got back to the club. It is a publicity stunt again by the blues to make them look the good guys

[A N Mouse]

So would I. But that's not what Linfield are doing.

But that's exactly what they're doing brendy.

Basically they're saying "we don't trust setanta to do the right thing" and if Derry are allowed to play, then "we'll pull out".

But as has been pointed out they've never been happy with the thing.

[Krstic]

Sorry, but until someone pays LFC the money they are owed, they are quite entitled to do whatever the Hell they like, including declining to accept their Invitation [sic] to compete from Setanta.

What you simply cannot get away from is that if the new guys at the Brandywell want to benefit from their predecessors' Invitation to the Setanta Ball, then they (new guys) need to pay for the predecessors' ticket. Literally.

Again you're spot on but surely you can see that Linfield are using two contradicting arguments for not wanting to play us.
On one hand they say they won't play Derry City as they owe Linfield money. Which is fair play. And then on top of that they refuse to play Derry City anyway because we're a new club. So in other words they won't play Derry City whether they get paid or not.

My own opinion is that we should not only be turfed from the Setanta but also the league. But as a Derry fan I'll take every break we're given.

[brendy_éire]

But that's exactly what they're doing brendy.

Basically they're saying "we don't trust setanta to do the right thing" and if Derry are allowed to play, then "we'll pull out".

It's not. They haven't suggested that themselves and Pats play out the rest of the group with our results expunged, which is what would happen in the LoI. They just said that they're not playing any more games regardless.

[CSFShels]

Fed up with this Linfield carry on a club who gets £400k + from the IFA annually and also had to rerarrange the fixture last year against Derry because Norn ireland had a game against sweden two nights later. Im fed up listening to Linfield club moaning about this and that, yous rule the Irish league with your mickey mouse tactics now your trying to rule the setanta cup. LOI clubs had to commence the competion last yr before the their season started to facilitate them, DJ of Linfield always moaning about fatigue here fatigue their, why dont they give up the meaningless county antrim shield and play in a bigger competiton and stop their whinging.
This has nothing to do with the fact that Derry City have acted like crooks for the last few years and should have no bearing on it. Linfield are dead right here.

[old git]

This has nothing to do with the fact that Derry City have acted like crooks for the last few years and should have no bearing on it. Linfield are dead right here.

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[Not Brazil]

I can tell you now DCFC the new club have tried to contact Linfield on 4 occassions to pay the amount owing not once after voicemail messages has a member of Linfield got back to the club. It is a publicity stunt again by the blues to make them look the good guys

Not having that, I'm afraid.

Is it not the case that Linfield FC are listed as a creditor of "old" Derry City, and the debt will be the responsibility of the Administrator dealing with the case?

[dcfcsteve]

Not having that, I'm afraid.

Is it not the case that Linfield FC are listed as a creditor of "old" Derry City, and the debt will be the responsibility of the Administrator dealing with the case?

If that's the case, then why did Linfield report in the Cliftonvile programme that they had been approached by the Friends of Derry City and were making progress on the issue ? Why didn't they just refuse to speak with FODC and deal with the Administrators instead ? :?

It's a different story for Linfield every time the issue gets mentioned. They clearly weant everything their own way - you'd be forgiven for thinking they'd be happy without the money if it meant they could have something else to cry about.... :o

[Not Brazil]

If that's the case, then why did Linfield report in the Cliftonvile programme that they had been approached by the Friends of Derry City and were making progress on the issue ? Why didn't they just refuse to speak with FODC and deal with the Administrators instead ? :?


Could it be the case that the FODC have muted that they will make good the difference between what Linfield get from the Administrator and what we were owed by the "old" Derry City FC?

[dcfcsteve]

Could it be the case that the FODC have muted that they will make good the difference between what Linfield get from the Administrator and what we were owed by the "old" Derry City FC?

Or could it be - Henry the Janitor....?

Do you know the answer to your own question heren, cuz I sure as hell don't ? If not, then it's just pointless conjecture.

The point stands though. You can't cry about being owed money by someone you're in contact with about that money, and then when they point out that they've been trying to contact you over it state 'oh but we'll only deal with the Administrators' over it.

Linfield trying to have everything their own way. Just another excuse for a good cry.

[Not Brazil]

The point stands though. You can't cry about being owed money by someone you're in contact with about that money, and then when they point out that they've been trying to contact you over it state 'oh but we'll only deal with the Administrators' over it.

Linfield trying to have everything their own way. Just another excuse for a good cry.

Who has stated "we'll only deal with the Administrators over it"?:confused:

We want our money owed to us in full - don't care who pays it!

I think it's "new" Derry City having a good cry tonight after losing their big, £50,000, pay day.

[dcfcsteve]

Who has stated "we'll only deal with the Administrators over it"?:confused:

Err -y uo were the onme who asserted that arguement. Probably just more idle speculation on your part again in fairness.


I think it's "new" Derry City having a good cry tonight after losing their big, £50,000, pay day.

The views of a couple of fans do not a club maketh.

Unless, of course, it's Sporting Fingal...... :)

[Not Brazil]

Fed up with this Linfield carry on a club who gets £400k + from the IFA annually

For how many years have we been getting "£400k +" from the IFA under our contract for usage of our stadium with them Flexy?

Please enlighten us.

[Not Brazil]

Err -y uo were the onme who asserted that arguement. Probably just more idle speculation on your part again in fairness.


I'm not dealing in arguements, just trying to establish the facts - are Linfield FC listed as a creditor of "old" Derry City or not?

What proposals have FODC placed before Linfield FC for settlement of the debt owed to Linfield FC by "old" Derry City FC?

[dcfcsteve]

I'm not dealing in arguements, just trying to establish the facts - are Linfield FC listed as a creditor of "old" Derry City or not?

What proposals have FODC placed before Linfield FC for settlement of the debt owed to Linfield FC by "old" Derry City FC?

As I'm sure you well know, a forum for football fans of numerous/competing clubs is often the last place worth visiting to establish facts. :)

If you want to know the facts, don't come on here demanding answers from ordinary fans. Contact the clubs concerned, or better still - just hold your water and see what comes out in the wash. 'All good thanks', and all that...

[Mr_Parker]

I can tell you now DCFC the new club have tried to contact Linfield on 4 occassions to pay the amount owing not once after voicemail messages has a member of Linfield got back to the club. It is a publicity stunt again by the blues to make them look the good guys

How many times have they phoned Cliftonville? :rolleyes:

Promises, promises......

[OneRedArmy]

I'm not dealing in arguements, just trying to establish the facts - are Linfield FC listed as a creditor of "old" Derry City or not?That is completely and wholly within the control of Linfield as to whether they have lodged their claim as creditor with the administrator.

What proposals have FODC placed before Linfield FC for settlement of the debt owed to Linfield FC by "old" Derry City FC?They won't be "settling" any debt, as that's not really kosher under company law. Any payment would be an ex gratia amount by an
unconnected THIRD party.

As for what you'll get from the official liquidation, the square root of sfa I would imagine.

[OneRedArmy]

How many times have they phoned Cliftonville? :rolleyes:

Promises, promises......
Did Cliftonville lodge the contract relating to the Celtic friendly with the administrator to establish creditor status?