FIFA Emergency Meeting RE Play Off Irregularties

[Greenforever]

FIFA have just called an emergency meeting for DEc 2 to discuss irreglarties in betting and referreing in the play offs.

[pineapple stu]

Do we get a replay so?

[Greenforever]

Do we get a replay so?

Im not cynical, but it would appear that someone betting on the result is more of a serious matter than blatant cheating.

Wait till some official/s get banned, and we get told tough s***, the refs descision is final, we can not replay the game as you might win.

[ArdeeBhoy]

If they're not going to act on a handball, they'll hardly act on dodgy betting patterns, surely.

[carloz]

Two words, damage limitation. FIFA have come out of this sorry sorry sage in a dreadful state. They have been shown for the corrupt and dreadfully run organisation that they are. Nothing will come from this except more false hope amongst our fans:mad:

[Greenforever]

According to Sky, FIFA want to have the meeting held before the draw on Dec 4, to prevent the draw being overshadowed by the handball incident. In otherwords, yes its another 2 fingers to us.

[Greenforever]

If they're not going to act on a handball, they'll hardly act on dodgy betting patterns, surely.


Depends if Blatter and Platini had backed a different score:D:D:D

[carloz]

According to different reports on other websites, the betting irregularities and fallout from Egypt/Algeria are thei main issues up for discussions. Good old FIFA

[superfrank]

According to different reports on other websites, the betting irregularities and fallout from Egypt/Algeria are thei main issues up for discussions. Good old FIFA
Match-fixing and the trouble that followed the Egypt/Algeria match where fans and players seemed to be endangered are more serious issues than people failling to accept that the referee got it wrong.

[NeilMcD]

Of course they are, they are far more serious. I think we should take our green glasses off. Dont worry not doing a jebus on it but to be fair, we were robbed cause the ref did not see it.

[Razors left peg]

Of course they are, they are far more serious. I think we should take our green glasses off. Dont worry not doing a jebus on it but to be fair, we were robbed cause the ref did not see it.

My problem is that the linesman did see it clearly and choose to ignore it

[old git]

strong rumours of fifa offering ireland a replay against france

but the have stressed the following ( plan A) must be accepted by ireland ...

1474 :D:D:D

[Greenforever]

Of course they are, they are far more serious. I think we should take our green glasses off. Dont worry not doing a jebus on it but to be fair, we were robbed cause the ref did not see it.


I blame you, I heard you were to bring the ref to Specsavers but went to Argentina instead:mad::eek:

[elroy]

If I was a journalist, id be doing my damnest to get an interview or even quotes from Blatter and Platini about the ireland game, the silence there is deafening.

No chance of a replay out of this obviously and probably a bog standard statement issued afterwards. I think at best they may consider the introduction of video technology or announce the use of the extra officials at the WC.

A simple solution, I think mentioned here before, would be to issue a directive to the referree in situations like this to ask the player in question did he handle the ball? If the player says no and video evidence proves the opposite, a substantial ban should follow.

[harpskid]

A simple solution, I think mentioned here before, would be to issue a directive to the referree in situations like this to ask the player in question did he handle the ball? If the player says no and video evidence proves the opposite, a substantial ban should follow.


Is this in place in some of the major European Leagues? Someone was telling me the other day that they'd heard this was standard practise in Germany, I think it was...

[superfrank]

My problem is that the linesman did see it clearly and choose to ignore it
http://www.webcitation.org/5lXGvbiJE

[Jicked]

Are there similar graphics available to explain how the linesman managed to miss two offsides from a dead ball situation?

Also, from that position how exactly did Mr Hansonn "100%" see that Henry didn't handle the ball??

[ArdeeBhoy]

Where exactly is this meeting being held?

And will FIFA be discussing as per the other thread, Blatter's admission that 'cheating is OK', as long as you don't get caught.....and their lack of use of video replays.

[Stuttgart88]

http://www.webcitation.org/5lXGvbiJELook at where Given is drawn - off his line. Look at the still photograph - he's on his line.

SKY TV did a similar graphic showing the linesman should have had a clear view. Proves nothing, but neither does the Times graphic.

I don't think there was anything corrupt in it myself, just terribly inept.

[Stuttgart88]

Are there similar graphics available to explain how the linesman managed to miss two offsides from a dead ball situation?Is that totally true? i still haven't seen it.

Was Dunne fouled by Schillacci at any stage?

Anyway, McShane just looks hapless regardless of anything that went before it. Harsh maybe, but that's all I see when I see all the stills.

[Junior]

And will FIFA be discussing as per the other thread, Blatter's admission that 'cheating is OK', as long as you don't get caught.....and their lack of use of video replays.

Dont be silly. But they may have a little giggle about it over vol-au-vents at lunch time.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Dont be silly. But they may have a little giggle about it over vol-au-vents at lunch time.

I was being purely 'ironic'.

These vermin deserve only the worst....

[jbyrne]

I don't think there was anything corrupt in it myself, just terribly inept.

and pathetically weakly unwilling to make a call against a big team by the linesman

[paul_oshea]

Do you think we could hire a hitman to take them all out?!

[Desyf]

Do you think we could hire a hitman to take them all out?!

I know somebody in Birkenhead who would do it for a tenner and a bottle of Diamond White..

[ArdeeBhoy]

Do you think we could hire a hitman to take them all out?!

Well for once, one might hope they get all the deserved stick.

Though that's almost too good for those fools.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Apparantly Bono's spoken out in favour of the FAI/Irish approach. So, that's alright then!
:eek:

Surely that finally seals it....

[Desyf]

Yep, Bono has spoken, we're on the way to South Africa....deffo.

[onenilgameover]

http://www.webcitation.org/5lXGvbiJE


That page is made up bull**** here is a better view of exactly what happened

[onenilgameover]

when the ball hits the hand given is nowhere near the linesmans line of sight

[jbyrne]

when the ball hits the hand given is nowhere near the linesmans line of sight

the first photo shows a clear line from the linesman to to the handball. proves what i always suspected in that the linesman saw it but didnt want to make the call

[OneRedArmy]

the first photo shows a clear line from the linesman to to the handball. proves what i always suspected in that the linesman saw it but didnt want to make the callI don't think it proves anything.

It simply shows may have seen it.

[tiktok]

the first photo shows a clear line from the linesman to to the handball. proves what i always suspected in that the linesman saw it but didnt want to make the call

To be fair to the linesman, even when I watch replays of it now, the angle shot facing Henry is the most difficult one to make out clearly what happens. He certainly had a better view than the referee, but it was a difficult call to make in real time, the ball does look like it strikes his stomach and then Given blocks the view of the second more blatant handball [at least in my opinion].

He should have called the offside though, that was criminal.

[Stuttgart88]

Are there any stills of the offside call? I still haven't seen it.

[Bluebeard]

The important things is I'm glad that the meeting definitively cleared everything up, and we can move on with our lives now...

[Junior]

Not a still but......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxw1-Id91lQ

Just pause on 0.27 in this clip - It highlights the offside. (You might want to mute it, not sure what the dodgy music is all about!)


EDIT: Not sure why I had to go and look that up.....fcuking Henry, fcuking Domenech, fcuking ref, fcukin linesman.......fcukin set me back a week that has............

[Emmet7]

The offside falls within a grey area.

The player didn't touch the ball, wasn't obstructing the goalie or blocking his line of vision or anything like that. It would have been very controversial if that offside was given, especially if France were to score. The French would fail to see where the player was interfering. The one area he was interfering was by preventing Dunne from rising to head the ball away, but again it was a grey area and the linesman probably didn't see him obstructing Dunne.

Of course it's in the interpretation of the grey areas where games are won and lost. One linesman would flag for that offside and people would say he was right. Another linesman would let it go and people would also say he was right since the player didn't seem to interfere with play.

There is too much subjectivity required of linesmen and referees and in this example the referee could only guess.

Video evidence would remove a fair amount of subjectivity and referees being unsighted. In tennis, it's difficult to see in real time where a ball bounces, and in rugby it can also be difficult in realtime for a referee to manouvre himself into the right position to spot a try.

[Junior]

The offside falls within a grey area.

The player didn't touch the ball, wasn't obstructing the goalie or blocking his line of vision or anything like that. It would have been very controversial if that offside was given, especially if France were to score. The French would fail to see where the player was interfering. The one area he was interfering was by preventing Dunne from rising to head the ball away, but again it was a grey area and the linesman probably didn't see him obstructing Dunne.

Of course it's in the interpretation of the grey areas where games are won and lost. One linesman would flag for that offside and people would say he was right. Another linesman would let it go and people would also say he was right since the player didn't seem to interfere with play.

There is too much subjectivity required of linesmen and referees and in this example the referee could only guess.

Video evidence would remove a fair amount of subjectivity and referees being unsighted. In tennis, it's difficult to see in real time where a ball bounces, and in rugby it can also be difficult in realtime for a referee to manouvre himself into the right position to spot a try.

Agreed that he didnt touch the ball.

Though he certainly attempted to play it. He was also interferring with play as were any number of players in that group and could be deemed to be obstructing/influencing Givens view of the ball (perhaps not entirely blocking it but Im not sure that is the 'term' used in the rule, which I dont have to hand).

It was a very tight call though and if that alone was the dispute with the goal, we couldnt really make too much of a fuss. That really does happen week in week out.

[shakermaker1982]

Not a still but......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxw1-Id91lQ

Just pause on 0.27 in this clip - It highlights the offside. (You might want to mute it, not sure what the dodgy music is all about!)


EDIT: Not sure why I had to go and look that up.....fcuking Henry, fcuking Domenech, fcuking ref, fcukin linesman.......fcukin set me back a week that has............

Why did I look at that??!!! The music is brilliant though. :D

[jbyrne]

Agreed that he didnt touch the ball.

Though he certainly attempted to play it. He was also interferring with play as were any number of players in that group and could be deemed to be obstructing/influencing Givens view of the ball (perhaps not entirely blocking it but Im not sure that is the 'term' used in the rule, which I dont have to hand).

It was a very tight call though and if that alone was the dispute with the goal, we couldnt really make too much of a fuss. That really does happen week in week out.

tight call but offside all the same. was mentioned elsewhere (this thread or another) that once an offside player makes an attempt to go for the ball he is then deemed to be interferring

why on earth was that piece of music attached to the clip? its the first laugh i've gotten out of watching footage of that incident though!

[Stuttgart88]

Thanks for that Junior.

Wrt being active - doesn't trying to play the ball make you active? It doesn't matter whether you play it or not as far as I understand. Schuilacci(?) definitely was active. He couldn't not have been unless he was retreating or standing idly by.

[Junior]

That would be my take on it also. Definitely active and therefore offside. Though a very tight call and I wouldnt be looking to hang the linesman for not calling it. However missing that and the double handball is unforgiveable!!!

[osarusan]

I don't think it proves anything.

It simply shows he may have seen it.
Right, i think that there is this argument that the ball being visible to the linesman at the moment Henry handballed it means he must have seen it but chose not to do anything about.
I agree with Stuttgart that it was simply poor on the part of the officials, rather than biased.

[Emmet7]

tight call but offside all the same. was mentioned elsewhere (this thread or another) that once an offside player makes an attempt to go for the ball he is then deemed to be interferring

why on earth was that piece of music attached to the clip? its the first laugh i've gotten out of watching footage of that incident though!

From what I saw on tv of the incident, I don't think the offside player even bothered to go for the ball. He seemed more interested in going for Dunne and obstructing him from attacking the ball.

To be honest the whole goal was a freak one in a million incident.

The ref got himself into the worst possible position for a freekick from that position, maybe he was tired and didn't fancy going deep into the penalty area and then running up the field again after the clearance. But he should have had a far better view of it, I don't think he was even in the box.

Fair enough refs are told to stand at the edge of the box or thereabouts for corners. But this wasn't a corner. He couldn't see half the players in the box so it was terrible positioning.

A player returned from offside, didn't touch the ball or appear to interfere but was definitely obstructing Dunne. That's a real grey area.

The linesman didn't see a handball probably because he was looking at the offside guy.

Somehow I think the French knew what they were doing. They committed about 3 or 4 fouls in the box and probably had something like that planned.

I doubt Henry cared much. A lot of players try to take advantage if the ref doesn't see something. But that definitely doesn't make it right or acceptable or not foul play just because the ref didn't see it.