Diarra and Andrews bust-up

[youngirish]

We haven't given the French a good hammering since the Peninsular War. It's long overdue.

[soccerboy]

cheese eating surrender monkeys....we'll see who's laughing wednesday!!

[Fixer82]

Why are people talking about WWII? I just hope Andrews crunches into Diarra. If it's the 91st minute and France are ahead Andrews has nothing to lose. Upend the little pr**k and make sure he doesnt get up!

I remember watching Celtic playing Porto in the Uefa cup final a few years ago and hoping someone (Neil Lennon) would absolutely destroy the keeper towards the end as he had cheated Celtic out of the game....

sure we live in hope and pray :)

[RiffRaff]

**** off, Irish *****. You're out.

If Diarra really did say this then surely the FAI have a duty to report it as racism? Some members of the French squad have been open in support of kicking racism out of football and I'd be quite happy to see Diarra kicked out of football on a 5 game ban which would see him miss the group stages of the finals.

[Fixer82]

what's racist about it?

[twoenz]

If he called him an Irish p rick, then it's hardly racism is it?

[RiffRaff]

what's racist about it?

calling someone an Irish ***** is deemed racist these days even though it doesnt refer to anyones skin colour. Eric Cantana was on a anti racism advert some years back recalling how he was abused for being French.

[Closed Account 2]

well if trap says he "insulted a country" then that would suggest racism, normally i wouldnt care about reporting it but hopefully the little git will get a ban for the first few world cup games if we cant beat them in paris

[RiffRaff]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYAlWJtOnkQ&feature=PlayList&p=0AF20EA7BF2D7322&index=1

[LeBleu]

I'm a froggy.

I hate some of my compatriot (especially tourists). I find us very pretentious, never happy and we know everything on every subject. We never wrong. Never.

In the other part, I like my country for different reason: F*****ng great food (cheese, wine), the women, the culture and for many other clichés...

For information, during the WW2 my grandfather has spent a "little time" on nazi's prisonner camp. He escaped from it to London, (at his return his weight was 70 pound). So not all the french are "surrenders monkeys" but a huge part is cheese eater!

I like ireland and irish. I have always spent wonderful moments on your country. Never meet nasty people (except on the roads). Always warm welcoming, always helpful. For me it is probably the best place on earth. (except dublin).
And I know too that your country is not a "paradise" for other reasons.

So I go back to football.
If Diarra says something bad about Irish people Irish staff must denounce that to the FIFA authorities and that's all.

I wish you "bonne chance" for wenesday and don't forget it's only football.

Allez les bleus!!!!

[Fixer82]

I'm a froggy.

I hate some of my compatriot (especially tourists). I find us very pretentious, never happy and we know everything on every subject. We never wrong. Never.

In the other part, I like my country for different reason: F*****ng great food (cheese, wine), the women, the culture and for many other clichés...

For information, during the WW2 my grandfather has spent a "little time" on nazi's prisonner camp. He escaped from it to London, (at his return his weight was 70 pound). So not all the french are "surrenders monkeys" but a huge part is cheese eater!

I like ireland and irish. I have always spent wonderful moments on your country. Never meet nasty people (except on the roads). Always warm welcoming, always helpful. For me it is probably the best place on earth. (except dublin).
And I know too that your country is not a "paradise" for other reasons.

So I go back to football.
If Diarra says something bad about Irish people Irish staff must denounce that to the FIFA authorities and that's all.

I wish you "bonne chance" for wenesday and don't forget it's only football.

Allez les bleus!!!!


Merci Beaucoup LeBleu. Allez les vertes!

I don't think calling someone an Irish pr**k is racist nor would I consider someone being called a French pr*ck racist.

For me it becomes racist if a French fella called an Irish guy a potato-eating car-bombing Mick or something along those lines....an ignorant stereotype. or an Irish guy calling a French fella an onion-wielding, stripy-jumpered, garlic-munching frog etc etc

Calling someone an Irish pr*ck is merely stating their nationality and then that person's feelings about him....

So i hope Andrews annihalates him :)

[carloz]

Diarra said today that Andrews knows where he can meet him if he wants. I expect complete fireworks in the first five minutes. Let us give Diarra a good welcome from Ireland.

[noddy102]

There will be blood!

[jebus]

Apparantly Diarra said something to Andrews after the match that Trappatoni described as 'insulting to the Irish nation'. Any idea what was said?

No surrender! Which is ironic coming from a Frenchman

[Scram]

Diarra said today that Andrews knows where he can meet him if he wants. I expect complete fireworks in the first five minutes. Let us give Diarra a good welcome from Ireland.

Solid wall of boos's but it is the last thing I want the players to be thinking about. Fair enough if they wind him up in to acting but we have to hope that any action from our guys is done with the ball.

These incidents can be used to aid focus, kind of an inward targetted anger.

I would remember it for the rest of my life if we can put one over them on Wednesday.

Very difficult tactical one fro both managers. expect a very cautious start from both sides no matter what is said pre-match. Trap will not want to give away anything and France will want to hold on to what they have.

Expect a 4-5-1 from France?

[Kildareman]

There were two Diarras playing for France.

The one I believe has caused all the trouble is the smaller one.

The one that looks like he's wearing a bicycle helmut!

[jmurphyc]

There will be blood!

As good as it is, I don't see how a film about oil is going to help us. Unless it's a metaphor for oiling our gears to up the pace.

[John83]

I don't think calling someone an Irish pr**k is racist nor would I consider someone being called a French pr*ck racist...
You're probably technically correct, but there's certainly some underlying racial tension in a phrase like that. Otherwise, why not just call your theoretical French and Irish men the pejorative and dispense with the nationalities?

[Yard of Pace]

You're probably technically correct, but there's certainly some underlying racial tension in a phrase like that. Otherwise, why not just call your theoretical French and Irish men the pejorative and dispense with the nationalities?

Ah come off it John.
It might be some other things but it's definitely not racist.

[paul_oshea]

LeBleu, we feel the same about DUblin :D

[John83]

Ah come off it John.
It might be some other things but it's definitely not racist.
If a friend of mine from the US spontaneously gave me a present, would I call him or her "a generous American"? A phrase like "Irish *****" uses "Irish" in a pejorative sense. That you consider it normal enough that you're incredulous I consider using someone's nationality as a negative racist says more about the casual racism you've been exposed to than any oversensitivity on my part. I'm not saying that it's the worst thing in the world, or that it should result in a footballer being banned, but it's racist.

[galwayjames]

I hope Andrews breaks that ****ing ****e's legs on Wednesday.

[Yard of Pace]

If a friend of mine from the US spontaneously gave me a present, would I call him or her "a generous American"? A phrase like "Irish *****" uses "Irish" in a pejorative sense. That you consider it normal enough that you're incredulous I consider using someone's nationality as a negative racist says more about the casual racism you've been exposed to than any oversensitivity on my part. I'm not saying that it's the worst thing in the world, or that it should result in a footballer being banned, but it's racist.

If I call someone a "Cork langer" or a "Tipp ******" at a GAA match am I being racist against people from Cork and Tipperary?

Anyway, people often put someone's nationality in front of a positive descriptive word. Italian stallion and so forth.

[jebus]

I hope Andrews breaks that ****ing ****e's legs on Wednesday.

http://www.mingeford365.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_uhoh.gif

[LeBleu]

I hope Andrews breaks that ****ing ****e's legs on Wednesday.


Excellent idea. Red card for Andrew.
Advantage France.

[Den Perry]

Excellent idea. Red card for Andrew.
Advantage France.

Le Bleu, I love the French...but I hope Andrews does hurt Diarra.He is a disgrace, and there has been no apology from the French camp as far as I know

[lopez]

Why are people talking about WWII?...
Because they're a bunch of Tan wannabes on here. Never hear much about the 'honourable retreat' out of Dunkirk for three years waiting behind 23 miles of water for Uncle Sam to turn up.

If he called him an Irish p rick, then it's hardly racism is it?It obviously isn't the same as 'White' pr*ck, but any insulting term that uses nationality, religion, or sexuality as a pejorative IMO would be deemed in the same category as calling someone a black or white so and so, by FIFA. Examples: Cantona, Zidane and Sol Campbell.

[John83]

If I call someone a "Cork langer" or a "Tipp ******" at a GAA match am I being racist against people from Cork and Tipperary?
If Mary O'Rourke had claimed that her campaign staff had worked like Kerrymen, would she have gotten the attention she did?


Anyway, people often put someone's nationality in front of a positive descriptive word. Italian stallion and so forth.
That example is simple rhyme, which makes it memorable. I'm struggling to think of another which isn't.

[jebus]

My god but people are very precious

[LeBleu]

Le Bleu, I love the French...but I hope Andrews does hgraceurt Diarra.He is a disgrace, and there has been no apology from the French camp as far as I know

Yes but what he say ?
Sure he must be punished if he say racist thing but I don't think it's the better way to break is leg.
It will be so stupid like a Zidane headbutt.

[gaiscíoch]

Having read the whole thread I am disgusted the way some of you talking. Break his leg and things like that. It's awful stuff lads he may well have insulted a nation. Then again it could be no different to anything that is said in football match after a bad tackle etc.

This whole French hating stuff and brining up a world war where France were not the only country in Europe or the world who were steam roled by the Germans.

By all means hate the French football team, hate Diarra. The best medicine for his ignorance is defeat. Simple as. We can send out 10 players to hack the legs off him but will that bring us any closer to where we want be. No.

Channelled aggression and cool heads are what we need not raging lunatics running around trying to hurt people. Because then my friends we are no better than they are.

[Yard of Pace]

That example is simple rhyme, which makes it memorable. I'm struggling to think of another which isn't.

American Woman by Lenny Kravitz.

End of debate.

[galwayjames]

Excellent idea. Red card for Andrew.
Advantage France.

Ever hear of sarcasm? ;)

[jebus]

Ever hear of sarcasm? ;)

Ever hear of not being being able to detect sounds from words on a screen?

[galwayjames]

Ever hear of not being being able to detect sounds from words on a screen?

Ever hear of uh..um.. meh

[Scram]

I'm a froggy.

I hate some of my compatriot (especially tourists). I find us very pretentious, never happy and we know everything on every subject. We never wrong. Never.

In the other part, I like my country for different reason: F*****ng great food (cheese, wine), the women, the culture and for many other clichés...

For information, during the WW2 my grandfather has spent a "little time" on nazi's prisonner camp. He escaped from it to London, (at his return his weight was 70 pound). So not all the french are "surrenders monkeys" but a huge part is cheese eater!

I like ireland and irish. I have always spent wonderful moments on your country. Never meet nasty people (except on the roads). Always warm welcoming, always helpful. For me it is probably the best place on earth. (except dublin).
And I know too that your country is not a "paradise" for other reasons.

So I go back to football.
If Diarra says something bad about Irish people Irish staff must denounce that to the FIFA authorities and that's all.

I wish you "bonne chance" for wenesday and don't forget it's only football.

Allez les bleus!!!!

I think you are full of merde and more likely to be sitting in some sh!thole in Laois rather than in Paris.

"I am a Froggy" :rolleyes::rolleyes: !! ...more likely a Boggy.

[SkStu]

Ever hear of not being being able to detect sounds from words on a screen?


Ever hear of uh..um.. meh

ever hear of shut up the pair of yis?

[Irish_Praha]

American Woman by Lenny Kravitz.

End of debate.

That's written by Lenny Kravitz?:rolleyes:
The master of repeating a 3 line corus over and over again.

Are you gonna go my way!
Are you gonna go my way!
Are you gonna go my way!
Are you gonna go my way!
I just gotta let you know!
Are you gonna go my way!
Are you gonna go my way!
Are you gonna go my way!
Are you gonna go my way!
I just gotta let you know!

Works for a 30 second car commercial maybe :P

[Uncle_Joe]

Lads this a storm in a tea cup. What we need are cool heads in Paris, not to run around in the red mist looking for physical revenge. The best way to stick it to Diara for whatever he said is to beat them by scoring more goals.

The most realistic chance we have of winning is with the same plan as Saturday. Keep it tight, try nick a goal and who knows what will happen. Talk of going over there and overrunning them with our passion or going all out attack isnt going to work. Neither is "lets get Diara!".
Will anyone on here watch France on the telly in the world cup and think "well at least we clattered Diara in that game last year".

[LeBleu]

I think you are full of merde and more likely to be sitting in some sh!thole in Laois rather than in Paris.

Nice for Laois.

"full of merde". J'adore :D.

[kingoffifa]

**** off, Irish *****. You're out.

seems the times in england thinks he said the same thing . just wondering is this your source for this fine quote.

***edit***

never mind - i just read eleven a side..... :)

[Fixer82]

You're probably technically correct, but there's certainly some underlying racial tension in a phrase like that. Otherwise, why not just call your theoretical French and Irish men the pejorative and dispense with the nationalities?

yeah but French p**ck or fat pr**k or skinny little pr*ck is just so much better than calling someone a pr**ck. that little bit more hurtful :)

[Fixer82]

If Mary O'Rourke had claimed that her campaign staff had worked like Kerrymen, would she have gotten the attention she did?


That example is simple rhyme, which makes it memorable. I'm struggling to think of another which isn't.

The Ragin' Cajun!
The Butch Dutch!
The Crushin' Russian!
The Arabian Kasabian!
The Palestinian Minion!
The Australian Pygmalion!
The Tantric Icelandic!
The Welsh Belch!

And now for my very favourite:
The Faero Quaro!


anyone got any other suggestions?

[Closed Account 2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYAlWJtOnkQ&feature=PlayList&p=0AF20EA7BF2D7322&index=1

Always remember watching this as a kid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2irZdyr4-RI)... never realised it came from a spoof on the above one.

[Innishvilla]

**** off, Irish *****. You're out.

Irish examiner has expanded on this a bit...

f**k off, you Irish c**t. You're out.

Is what they claim were the words used by Diarra, I can understand Andrews' and Dunne's reaction...

[endabob1]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/nov/17/lassana-diarra-france-republic-of-ireland

Apparently Diarra didn't say anything.....

"You get some players who are looking to get you into trouble. I don't know what happened. The Irish had lost 1-0 and they were not happy so it had to be our fault. I did not take the lead. It lasted about 30 seconds and then I returned quietly to the dressing room. The Irish have tried to get at us in the newspapers, looking for stories, but I don't see why I should talk about the Irish people."

And as for Abidal "They are provocative, malicious," said the Barcelona full-back.

[dingbat]

I wouldnt worry about it. Most of this "French" football team arent French anyway. African B team.Hmmm...

A case of pot and kettle, when it comes to some of the sides we've put out over the year, but it's actually far worse than that as you will discover.

On the off-chance that your comment isn't completely racist and devoid of fact, let's have a look at the French starting lineup from Saturday as listed in The Irish Times, shall we?

Lloris - Nice, France
Sagna - Bourgogne, France
Gallas - Asnières-sur-Seine, France
Abidal - Lyon, France
Evra - Senegal
L. Diarra - Paris, France
A. Diarra - Villepinte, France
Anelka - Versailles, France
Gourcuff - Brittany, France
Henry - Paris, France
Gignac - Martigues, France

You may (or may not) have deduced that the right-hand column contains the birthplace of each player. To spell it out for you, this means that your "African B team" has a total of precisely one player who was born outside of France, Patrice Evra, who moved to France when he was seven years old.

Let me be the first to wish you a long and fruitful career in the BNP.

[DeLorean]

Chances are that Diarra's probably a bit of a tool but come on lads, sh!t happens on the pitch with emotions high. There's only one way of sticking it up his hole and it's not by breaking his leg!!

[osarusan]

This is a lot of fuss over very little. Diarra probably did say something nasty, as I can't imagine Andrews and Dunne faking that kind of reaction. But it is irrelevant really. It might motivate the Irish players, but if needing to win to qualify for the World Cup hasn't already done that, then I'm not sure this will. Maybe the press are making a big deal out of it to try and scare Diarra in some way, which I very much doubt will happen.

As for the comments about breaking his leg, even if they are jokes (which I'm not sure about, as they are only described as jokes after another poster has criticised them) they're idiotic. We want, after 90 mins, Andrews to be in a position to say to Diarra, "F**k off, French c**t, you're out". That's the best revenge.

[ifk101]

The team's disciplinary record under Trapattoni speaks for itself. I find the comments from the French players highly amusing.