Lowest attendances thusfar....

[AnnaghRed]

Linfield 1318 v Dungannon
Glentoran 1096 v Institute
Glenavon 625 v Dungannon
Coleraine 596 v Distillery
Cliftonville 552 v Coleraine
Portadown 524 v Newry
Crusaders 450 v Newry
Ballymena 370 v Newry
Institute 263 v Distillery
Dungannon 260 v Distillery
Distillery 203 v Newry
Newry 128 v Institute

[AnnaghRed]

Glentoran 6105 v Linfield
Linfield 4604 v Glentoran
Glenavon 2000* v Linfield
Crusaders 1978 v Linfield
Coleraine 1857 v Linfield
Portadown 1742 v Glentoran
Cliftonville 1678 v Linfield
Ballymena 1600 v Coleraine
Dungannon 1500 v Glentoran
Institute 1085 v Linfield
Distillery 1357 v Glentoran
Newry 702 v Portadown

* exactly the same as last years....hmmm

[holidaysong]

Do you know how the IL Premier averages compare with the LOI Premier?

[AnnaghRed]

Do you know how the IL Premier averages compare with the LOI Premier?

Not very well, roughly 2000 in the LOI, 1000 in the IL.

Though we do have a smaller population to work with.

[AnnaghRed]

Sligo 1738
Linfield 1645
Glentoran 1638
St Pats 1620
Drogheda 1112
Bray 1103
Galway 1029
Shelbourne 965
Ballymena 847
Coleraine 811
Glenavon 809
Crusaders 732
Portadown 684
Cliftonville 681
Sporting F 661
Wexford 504
Finn Harps 490
Athlone 472
Limerick 462
Waterford 461
Institute 380
Newry 357
Dungannon 336
Distillery 282
Longford 264

[Steve Bruce]

Sligo 1738
Linfield 1645
Glentoran 1638
St Pats 1620
Drogheda 1112
Bray 1103
Galway 1029
Shelbourne 965
Ballymena 847
Coleraine 811
Glenavon 809
Crusaders 732
Portadown 684
Cliftonville 681
Sporting F 661
Wexford 504
Finn Harps 490
Athlone 472
Limerick 462
Waterford 461
Institute 380
Newry 357
Dungannon 336
Distillery 282
Longford 264

You can't have an average and leave out certain fixtures. The average is all the games added together and divided by the number of games played.

Did you exclude other teams derbys that would inflate crowds? Or other big clubs who bring big supports to grounds?

[gustavo]

I agree with the metrics used to come up with those figures

[AnnaghRed]

You can't have an average and leave out certain fixtures. The average is all the games added together and divided by the number of games played.

Did you exclude other teams derbys that would inflate crowds? Or other big clubs who bring big supports to grounds?

Wanted to get an idea of each clubs real support and you don't really get that if you include the visits of the big two.

[Nedser]

Do you know how the IL Premier averages compare with the LOI Premier?

The figures below are from a thread in the LOI forum on this site. Seems to be quite a big difference. Anyone got the averages from the IL (including all games)?


Aaaanyway...

Update after last weekend. Official (or mostly official) figures in bold. "2" in the missing games bit refers to the second game against that team.

PREMIER DIVISION
Bohs - 2,333 (2008 - 1,993; 2007 - 1,924; 2006 - 1,463; 2005 - 1,976; 2004 - 2,340) (missing Drogheda 2)
Bray - 1,103 (1,106; 1,200; 1,027; 1,550; 818 FD) (missing Pat's 2)
Cork - 2,733 (3,142; 2,897; 2,941; 3,644; 4,033)
Derry - 2,457 (3,363; 2,614; 3,229; 2,698; 1,672)
Drogheda - 1,112 (1,631; 1,919; 1,751; 1,682; 1,554)
Dundalk - 2,436 (1,459 FD; 1,406 FD; 1,078 FD; 474 FD; 591 FD) (missing Pat's)
Galway - 1,029 (1,393; 2,199; 1,148 FD; 566 FD; 571 FD)
Pat's - 1,620 (1,795; 1,910; 1,342; 1,599; 1,882) (missing Bohs 2, Derry 2 and Sligo 2)
Rovers - 3,611 (1,468; 1,715; 1,089 FD; 1,539; 1,349) (missing Cork 2)
Sligo - 1,738 (1,960; 1,448; 1,806; 1,794 FD; 781 FD) (missing Bray 2)

FIRST DIVISION
Athlone - 472 (387; 670; 421; 316; 291)
Harps - 490 (1,607 PD; 1,164; 428; 1,347 PD; 1,106)
Kildare - 178 (241; 243; 265; 186; 298) (missing Limerick, Finn Harps 2, Fingal 2 and Wexford 2)
Limerick - 462 (517; 670; 364; 669; 188) (missing Kildare 2 and Monaghan 2)
Longford - 264 (406; 885 PD; 681 PD; 1,004 PD; 1,131 PD)
Mervue - 174 (N/A) (missing Waterford)
Monaghan - 210 (177; 292; 204; 183; 182) (missing Kildare 2, Waterford, Fingal 2 and Mervue 2)
Shels - 965 (986; 888; 1,690 PD; 1,949 PD; 2,158 PD)
Sporting Fingal - 661 (688)
UCD - 255 (546 PD; 663 PD; 546 PD; 653 PD; 306)
Waterford - 461 (670; 1,181 PD; 915 PD; 1,513 PD; 1,753 PD) (missing Mervue 2)
Wexford - 504 (767; 810)

Premier Division average - 2,018 (1,746; 1,687; 1,535; 1,759; 1,853)
First Division average - 435 (641; 722; 570; 520; 512)

Overall average - 1,203 (1,221; 1,235; 1,070; 1,195; 1,218)

[AnnaghRed]

The figures below are from a thread in the LOI forum on this site. Seems to be quite a big difference. Anyone got the averages from the IL (including all games)?

Actually the IL attendances are better [pro-rata] when you factor in that the Republic has about 3 times the population!

Anyhoo heres them averages so far:

GLENTORAN 2276
LINFIELD 2015
GLENAVON 1050
COLERAINE 1042
CLIFTONVILLE 1004
CRUSADERS 940
BALLYMENA 915
PORTADOWN 801
DUNGANNON 481
INSTITUTE 481
DISTILLERY 467
NEWRY CITY 394

[Nedser]

Actually the IL attendances are better [pro-rata] when you factor in that the Republic has about 3 times the population!



I'm not sure if you're being serious here are you? Hopefully not, as that would be a ridiculous argument. If I observed that the EPL's average attendance is much higher than the SPL's, would you feel the need to point out that the SPL's is actually higher "pro-rata"? Or how about this, Finn Harps have on occasion had crowds equivalent to about 200% of the population of their home town, which would be the same as Portadown getting an attendance of 60,000. It all gets a bit silly.

The reality is that only a tiny minority of the population on either side of the border in Ireland has any interest in domestic football, so the total population is pretty irrelevant. IL clubs actually have a couple of big advantages too - minimal competition from the 2 best attended sports on the island, and no away trips longer than about 90 mins (in fact you could say most games are effectively local derbies).

Anyway, I wasn't trying to start an "our attendances are less crap than yours" argument. I was just genuinely surprised, as I've lost count of the number of times that I've heard that Linfield are by far the best supported club on the island of Ireland. I even recall Pat Fenlon saying so more than once when he was with them. Maybe it was true then? Have crowds fallen dramatically since the mid 90s?

[AnnaghRed]

Anyway, I wasn't trying to start an "our attendances are less crap than yours" argument. I was just genuinely surprised, as I've lost count of the number of times that I've heard that Linfield are by far the best supported club on the island of Ireland. I even recall Pat Fenlon saying so more than once when he was with them. Maybe it was true then? Have crowds fallen dramatically since the mid 90s?

I would say they've fallen pretty dramatically since the mid 90's, a league game against Linfield would have pretty much packed Shamrock Park out back then, 6000+, now it would struggle to attract 2000.

[O'Shea's Boot]

Attendance at IL games are very poor .... would watch Glens some times and away support (apart from Linfield) is virtually non existant

[AnnaghRed]

Attendance at IL games are very poor .... would watch Glens some times and away support (apart from Linfield) is virtually non existant

Which games have you attended?