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Just got my rejection letter this morning from the FAI, thanks for your support over the last few years, you have paid for your France home tickets at this stage and thats the last competitive fixture you will get a ticket for as we are moving back to LR. Only 49 made it from the waiting list. I was 1,200 on the list, seems a shame that you build a new stadium and can only get 50 people off your waiting list scheme. I`m on the list 7 years and when we moved to CP, stopped getting tickets from my old BB source as i could not get rid of them all.
Is there any point getting on to the FAI?
DeNiro
30/10/2009, 8:18 AM
Did it actually say on the letter that only 49 people made it from waiting list? That's crazy if so. Why would they put that in writing to anyone? What will happen to all these unsold vantage club seats? Will they not be redistributed?
shakermaker1982
30/10/2009, 8:19 AM
I'll be in the same boat then. Gutted. The missus will be happy though. I have spent a lot of cash going back to 'home' games!!
Yeah, stated on the letter, said if demand was low you would be offered tickets, so going by this I can kiss goodbye to getting a ticket for Paris, Waiting Listers are pretty poor down the list according to the FAI!
blobbyblob
30/10/2009, 8:30 AM
Dont think theres much point in complaining tbh. Think about it. The north bucket is reduced to 2500 from stand to stand. Id imagine that all the old North Bucket BBs will be moved to the new south bucket along with the existing South bucket BB ticket holders and the new north along with some of the east or west stand will house away fans.
The FAI will be more interested in flogging their vantage seats than increasing their BB allocation. The best that you can hope for is that sales for the Vantage club stay low and they pull some of that allocation and allocate it to BBs
Kingdom
30/10/2009, 8:40 AM
Very very disappointing to hear this as I assume I'll be on the rejection list too as I'm about 1200 on the WL.
I appreciate that the FAI need to sell seats, but when people have been taking tickets consistently for some absolute gash fixtures, at significantly higher prices than the old stadium, I can't help but feel a bit shortchanged by this news.
Instead of trying to flog what appears to be a dead horse in the Vantage club scheme, why not offer some of these to people on the block booking waiting list on a campaign basis? Ireland matches are my release as such from life, and the prospect of scrambling around looking for tickets in the Lansdowne etc isn't something I'll look forward too.
I mean effectively we (by we, I mean all how kept the allocation of tickets throughout the Croker period) kept the association afloat and profitable during the renovations, and now we're being cast adrift. Not impressed at all.
Bluetonic
30/10/2009, 8:40 AM
50,000 capacity.
10,000 premium.
5,000 away.
Leaves 35,000 for general sale.
Old block booking was max 32,000 and this included all sponsors tickets etc..,
Who is going to be sitting in the 10,000 premium level seats for FAI games and who has taken the extra general seats available.
These are the questions that need to be asked. Don't tell me for one minute that the FAI has more sponsors now in this time of recession.
How many tickets did the 49 people on the waiting list get? If it's 10 each or 20 each we need to know.
Good Point Blobbyblob, just very disappointed this morning, does anyone know how low sales of Vantage Club are, I know I got the brochure and they wanted €100 odd per month, couldn`t afford that.
Good Post Kingdom, during the Stan era we all endured terrible games but at the same time I was delighted to be getting tickets and not begging for them, and no matter how good/bad the future may be I would still be delighted to go to support Ireland, should be 1 ticket to each BB, Not muptiples which you hear people get.
Good Point Blobbyblob, just very disappointed this morning, does anyone know how low sales of Vantage Club are, I know I got the brochure and they wanted €100 odd per month, couldn`t afford that.
It will be very hard for them to allocate those tickets to BB are BB prices. How would you feel if you were a vantage club member and the guy beside you was a BB who had paid a sizeable % less for the same seat.
Im on the WL about 8 years now but wasnt optimistic about getting any good news. Tickets for most games should be ok at LR to pick up tickets for but its the bigger games that will be the struggle.
Kingdom
30/10/2009, 8:53 AM
Whats the craic going to be with the Singing Section now? Dare I say one or two of us are going to be wiped out?
Actually the more I'm thinking about this the more angry I'm getting.
Bluetonic
30/10/2009, 8:53 AM
It will be very hard for them to allocate those tickets to BB are BB prices. How would you feel if you were a vantage club member and the guy beside you was a BB who had paid a sizeable % less for the same seat.
No difference than anything in any walk of life, airlines seats, hotel bookings, houses, etc..,
I just hope the people in the FAI who make these decisions have a (and no offense) better business mind than yourself.
If your on the wl 8 YEARS, does anyone on here know anyone who ever got promoted to BB from the WL?
Newryrep
30/10/2009, 8:55 AM
Just got my rejection letter this morning from the FAI, thanks for your support over the last few years, you have paid for your France home tickets at this stage and thats the last competitive fixture you will get a ticket for as we are moving back to LR. Only 49 made it from the waiting list. I was 1,200 on the list, seems a shame that you build a new stadium and can only get 50 people off your waiting list scheme. I`m on the list 7 years and when we moved to CP, stopped getting tickets from my old BB source as i could not get rid of them all.
Is there any point getting on to the FAI?
didnt think we would hear until next May next year - as has been said What about unsold vantage club
Aways games only for me then
the numbers dont add up to me at all.
Think this is an attempt to spir up more interest in vantage club tickets.
Only releasing 49 to waiting listers over what will be now 3 qualifying series seems very low. i personally know 3 groups (6 tickets) who have given up their block booking in the last year.
Im guessing there will be a lot more upgraded to block booking early next summer.
Bluetonic
30/10/2009, 9:01 AM
Think this is an attempt to spir up more interest in vantage club tickets.
Don't too surprised to see more glossy marketing drop in the letter box anytime soon alright, complete with finance option I presume.
jbyrne
30/10/2009, 9:06 AM
the thing with the BB system is that it has been on the go since 1992 and the question would have to be asked about how many of those original block bookings are still in the same hands?
i would imagine that they have been passed on to differant punters over the years without going through the fai. i have 4 tickets under the block booking but the personnel who get the tickets has changed over the years. maybe every single fan should have their own individual number rather grouping them under one number. you could still sort it that people who want to sit together could do so
harps1954
30/10/2009, 9:09 AM
I'd say the FAI are holding onto the extra 3/4000 tickets and will put them on general sale on a match per match basis. It allows them to hold onto a large number of tickets for "suits" and "sponsors" for the "bigger" games and then put these same tickets on general sale for the "smaller" games.
gspain
30/10/2009, 9:12 AM
I can believe the numbers aren't there to convert the waiting list into block bookings.
However as has been pointed out there are still thousands of unsold vantage club seats. These won't be given as block bookings.
If the Vantage Club sells out then that's it.
However if it doesn't sellout (likely imo) then the tickets will be sold on a match by match basis. You would have to assume that the waiting list would be offered these or more likely the seats of sponsors and council members temporarily moved to the Vantage club.
Bluetonic
30/10/2009, 9:16 AM
I can only imagine the uproar (in the press) from the Rugby fraternity when they move back to Lansdowne.
harps1954
30/10/2009, 9:21 AM
I can only imagine the uproar (in the press) from the Rugby fraternity when they move back to Lansdowne.
The Rugby crowd have already sold ALL their seats for the new Lansdowne. Their 'vantage' club is already over subscribed.
eaststand85
30/10/2009, 9:23 AM
Think the idea of every fan haviong their own number makes much more sense than the current situation where some indvividuals get a lot of tickets under the one booking and can then distribute as they see fit (even to the extent that someone on this forum said recently there were BB tickets for the play offs available on eBay).
Bluetonic
30/10/2009, 9:45 AM
Think the idea of every fan haviong their own number makes much more sense than the current situation where some indvividuals get a lot of tickets under the one booking and can then distribute as they see fit (even to the extent that someone on this forum said recently there were BB tickets for the play offs available on eBay).
I've said it before and I'll say it again, foot.ie and other 'fan centered' forums have been facilitating the easy transfer of tickets for years from block bookers to others ensuring the block booker is not out of pocket and they keep their allocation.s
Gutted to hear this. I am 353 on the WL and thought there was a good chance of getting on the BB scheme.
DeNiro
30/10/2009, 9:51 AM
Guys,
Where are ye getting your waiting list number? I've been on that years and haven't a clue where I am on it.
Also, imagine if we don't get to the World Cup and we have a home friendly. If I'm not one of the lucky 49 (very specific number I must add) then I wouldn't be too inclined to throw my money where there is no real long-term reward for it.
shakermaker1982
30/10/2009, 9:51 AM
you would think that there would have been more dropping out because of the economic climate.
Oh well I'm grateful I've got to see more home games over the last two/three years. I'll just have to start adding my name to the ticket waiting list on this site for the next campaign.
blobbyblob
30/10/2009, 10:20 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, foot.ie and other 'fan centered' forums have been facilitating the easy transfer of tickets for years from block bookers to others ensuring the block booker is not out of pocket and they keep their allocation.s
Very good point BT. The churn of people going on and off of the BB list was quiet high up to about 5 years ago. Now its seems to have slowed to a trickle and messageboards would be the likely contributor.
One other point to consider is that in moving to croke park a lot of BBs would have increased the number of tickets theyve been taking per game because of the increased capacity and availability. The FAI figures may be based on the current BBs allocation in CP.
jbyrne
30/10/2009, 10:32 AM
One other point to consider is that in moving to croke park a lot of BBs would have increased the number of tickets theyve been taking per game because of the increased capacity and availability. The FAI figures may be based on the current BBs allocation in CP.
no, BBs were given the opportunity to increase their allocation but it was on a clear understanding that it would go back to Lansdowne levels upon our return there.
i think the FAI may be playing a bit of a game here. they badly need to shift their vantage club tickets and they know that at least some of those who cant get a block booking may take up some of those premium seats. i dont believe we have more than 50,000 fans that are really that bothered so hopefully most will be sorted by the time
DeNiro
30/10/2009, 10:49 AM
Good point Jbyrne, but it's a dangerous game to play in the current economic climate, which looks like to deteriorate further after Christmas. The vantage club was a bad, Celtic tiger-driven idea, they might as well hold their hands up now and say it. But, I can't see them exporting those seats to waiting listers.
elroy
30/10/2009, 10:58 AM
No difference than anything in any walk of life, airlines seats, hotel bookings, houses, etc..,
I just hope the people in the FAI who make these decisions have a (and no offense) better business mind than yourself.
I never said they wont sell them to BB's but it certainly wont be on the same terms as the other BBs tickets i.e. should they realise they will have 5k unsold vantage level tickets per game, im sure they will offer a "special package" to BBs. The rates wont be as high as the vantage club but they will be def be more expenisve than your standard BB.
In other words I agree with what gspain has suggested......
However as has been pointed out there are still thousands of unsold vantage club seats. These won't be given as block bookings.
If the Vantage Club sells out then that's it.
However if it doesn't sellout (likely imo) then the tickets will be sold on a match by match basis. You would have to assume that the waiting list would be offered these or more likely the seats of sponsors and council members temporarily moved to the Vantage club.
elroy
30/10/2009, 11:13 AM
Good point Jbyrne, but it's a dangerous game to play in the current economic climate, which looks like to deteriorate further after Christmas. The vantage club was a bad, Celtic tiger-driven idea, they might as well hold their hands up now and say it. But, I can't see them exporting those seats to waiting listers.
In fairness the prices of those tickets made sure your average fan never had any realistic prospect of purchasing. Even if you paid a sizeable portion over the odds for every match ticket, you still would not incur the total price of the vantage club ticket.
Then the fai came out with this "special" scheme for fans of irish football which was a joke in fairness. The same overall package but just allowed you to pay monthly.
From a corporate perspective, the rugby is generally more appealing plus all the games are at the wkd, which is again more attractive for entertaining clients etc. The new LR is def too small from the IRFUs point of view.
Polster
30/10/2009, 11:50 AM
Dont think theres much point in complaining tbh. Think about it. The north bucket is reduced to 2500 from stand to stand. Id imagine that all the old North Bucket BBs will be moved to the new south bucket along with the existing South bucket BB ticket holders and the new north along with some of the east or west stand will house away fans.
The FAI will be more interested in flogging their vantage seats than increasing their BB allocation. The best that you can hope for is that sales for the Vantage club stay low and they pull some of that allocation and allocate it to BBs
A bit off topic, but I really hope they don't give the N Bucket to away fans. We should have both ends for atmosphere and stick the away fans up in a corner like we use to do.
I see in the LR thread, someone form the LR Redevelopement company, saying they have not decided if they are going to put seats into the restricted view areas, surely the FAI could insist on this and offer these seats to the Waiting Listers.
gspain
30/10/2009, 12:32 PM
The waiting list were always ahead of the extra tickets given to bbers in Croke Park.
All bbers are gone back to old Lansdowne levels.
I'd recommend staying on the waiting list as you'll most likely be offered tickets going forward unless the Vantage club sells well.
I don't think there has been a significant number of people taken off the WL since the China friendly in 2005.
paul_oshea
30/10/2009, 12:44 PM
I got the PFO letter as well, thing is im around 1200 too, and i dont actually know anyone below that number :D
shakermaker1982
30/10/2009, 12:50 PM
I got the PFO letter as well, thing is im around 1200 too, and i dont actually know anyone below that number :D
I bet I am!!!
1886 out of over 6,000 according to the ticket office a few weeks back, one thing if the whole thing is a closed shop, how do the fai get young people to start going to games?
You would imagine the ticket office have enough on their plate at the moment without sending out these letters. Plenty of time for that yet.
thats true, if you look at the fai website, they have just launched a new site for the selling of tickets for Aviva Vantage scheme.
paul_oshea
30/10/2009, 1:10 PM
You would imagine the ticket office have enough on their plate at the moment without sending out these letters. Plenty of time for that yet.
YOu would think you mean.
Know a fella who got the letter this morning accepting him onto the BB scheme. He only joined the waiting list at the start of the current campaign. Joke.
No Chance, thats a joke!!!
No Chance, thats a joke!!!
Wish it was a joke. Looks like it was a random draw for the 49!
Whats the point of a list, should just give the tickets to the Event Junkies who will be in CP next week!
citizenerased
30/10/2009, 1:33 PM
I got the PFO letter as well, thing is im around 1200 too, and i dont actually know anyone below that number :D
im about 550 last time i checked wih fai, about 9 months ago...im goosed aswell, avnt got the letter, but will be expecting it in tomorrows post...disgusting is what it is, an attempt to try a bully us wlisters into buying vantage club...
eaststand85
30/10/2009, 1:50 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, foot.ie and other 'fan centered' forums have been facilitating the easy transfer of tickets for years from block bookers to others ensuring the block booker is not out of pocket and they keep their allocation.s
No offence to any BB'ers or anyone who does this but the point is that the sale/transfer of tickets shouldn't be up to them. Some do as you say but not all and there's no obligation on them to do it.
Tickets should be distributed fairly by the FAI to those who attend matches regularly as they're the ones who have a record of this and if it was one ticket per person on the BB and waiting list schemes this would help in that.
*Edit: Forgot to say this would also enable people apply for tickets seated together by making joint applications and if supply exceeded demand then extra tickets could be allocated on a match by match basis to those at the top of the queue.
OneRedArmy
30/10/2009, 2:50 PM
I actually think block booking is about the fairest way of distributing tickets to fans.
BUT
Its been alleged many times over the years, pre-Croker, than elevation from the waiting list to block booker status bore little relation to your number/time on the list.
I must admit that I always put that down to incompetence rather than willful action, but in the last couple of years the Ticket Office seems to be run in a lot slicker way, with applications coming out a bit earlier and a smoother process all round.
As an IRFU 10 year ticket holder though they are still well behind the IRFU in getting tickets out to people in good time with a minimum of fuss.
Interesting to see how this plays out.
Wish it was a joke. Looks like it was a random draw for the 49!
Did you not hear the news, Rafa B? Our old friend Rick Parry is the ticket allocation consultant for the FAI nowadays. :)
Docboy
30/10/2009, 4:04 PM
Got the letter myself this morning, pretty disgusted. The main problem is that people have anything up to 8 or 10 tickets with only 4 regulars going. With high demand they can shift the others.
Never forget going to all the home games for the WC 2002 only to be shafted for the play-offs so your man could give the ticket to his daughter. The FAI had an ideal chance to thin this process out by asking people did they want to cut their allocation.
I reckon all us waiting listers will be used to buy up those Vantage Club tickets while the FAI sit it out. Probably hoping that we get to the WC so interest sparks up again. Not the first time they've shafted proper fans.:mad:
Newryrep
30/10/2009, 4:55 PM
The timing of this announcement is quite frankly staggering - the pr in PR must be short for ***** - nice bit of momentum building for the next 2 weeks to the biggest game in 7 years and they go and **** off a sizeable proportion of dedicated fans, and that even before those not getting Paris tickets get notified. Unbelieveable
Still say May 2010 will be the deadline where the FAI have to bite the bullets and go for plan B. So not panicing just yet
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