Clubs who are not in trouble (for a change)

[roinuj]

sick of listening about clubs in trouble?
well why not talk about the clubs who are keeping themselfs out of the papers from bad news storys for a change

well done rovers
way to go.

take a bow waterford united.

good on ye wexford youths.

[Acornvilla]

come on De Town :D

[GypsyBlackCat]

Bohs are in a great state. We've money to burn. (head firmly in the sand) :D

[passinginterest]

sick of listening about clubs in trouble?


good on ye wexford youths.

I've heard a few worrying stories about Youths so wouldn't be too quick to put them in here. Don't forget it's basically just a one man operation and he's a property developer with some serious debts.

[pineapple stu]

How much of a one-man operation are the Youths? How long established were they before joining the league? They seem to be much better off than, say, your Dublin City/Kilkenny City in terms of a set-up, but has that not seeped through to club management, or is it just the financial side of things is being propped up by Wallace?

[gufc2000]

Monaghan United, Bray, UCD.

What's the story with Kildare, Athlone, Finn Harps and Limerick?

[passinginterest]

How much of a one-man operation are the Youths? How long established were they before joining the league? They seem to be much better off than, say, your Dublin City/Kilkenny City in terms of a set-up, but has that not seeped through to club management, or is it just the financial side of things is being propped up by Wallace?

Wexfors Youths as a club didn't exist prior to entering the league of Ireland. Wallace had planned for a few years to enter an under 20 side based on the Wexford League under 18's that he'd managed with great success over more than a decade, the demise of Dublin City meant the under 20 entry was upgraded to a rushed league of Ireland entry. Everything to do with the club is owned and financed by Wallace, I've seen little evidence to suggest that it would survive without him and I get the impression he's not all that enthused by the League of Ireland experience. There's been a certain amount of hostility towards the club form the local junior league and many wouldn't be sorry to see it's demise and a return to the old structures.

[pineapple stu]

So what was there before was a league representative side of sorts?

Effing junior football must be one of the single greatest impediments to the senior game in this country.

[redobit]

sick of listening about clubs in trouble?
well why not talk about the clubs who are keeping themselfs out of the papers from bad news storys for a change

well done rovers
way to go.

take a bow waterford united.

good on ye wexford youths.

Cheers from all Sligo Rovers fans

[RoversHead]

Didnt want to start a thread so I hope you dont mind me sticking another positive into this one.The coverage of games by Dundalk fm SRFC TV and icandy from the Brandywell has really shown the way forward and has been invaluable to overseas fans and those at home who cant make it to games.Somebody please sort out a cam for the Dundalk lads.It would be great if the streaming thing spread to more grounds and Im sure it will.:)

[1895ringsend]

bar the uncertaintly surroundng the ground i think our board with the help of the SSDG have done a great job running shels and getting us back on our feet afer we went into meltdown in early 2007. The players are being payed their wages on time and the club is living well within its means while keeping us still fairly competitive pushing for prommotion. As i said the ground situation is a concern and wh knows what will happen there but overall i think most fans are happy with the huge improvements in the running of the club.

[Magicme]

Didnt want to start a thread so I hope you dont mind me sticking another positive into this one.The coverage of games by Dundalk fm SRFC TV and icandy from the Brandywell has really shown the way forward and has been invaluable to overseas fans and those at home who cant make it to games.Somebody please sort out a cam for the Dundalk lads.It would be great if the streaming thing spread to more grounds and Im sure it will.:)

I know as it is first division many wont care but we are hoping to do live streaming from our games next season.

[LK37oldskool]

Monaghan United, Bray, UCD.

What's the story with Kildare, Athlone, Finn Harps and Limerick?

Despite a hiccup mid season we've got a new Chairman on board who's more hands on.we've got a big funraiser this weekend and a lottery thats going to help big time in the off season.Could be lookin at the start of next season without all the B******t thats plagued us for the last couple of years. :)

[roinuj]

Cheers from all Sligo Rovers fans

i taught sligo were up to their balls in debt ?

[dcfcsteve]

The following clubs must be comended for keeping themnselves out of the press recently :

- Drumcondra.
- Cork Hibernians.
- Transport
- Brideville.
- Dublin Pioneers FC.

Well done one and all.

[brianw82]

i taught sligo were up to their balls in debt ?

Nope. All last season's financial problems have been cleared. We're pretty much in the black, especially after all those cup replays brought in extra cash. How long that lasts is anyone's guess, though.

[roinuj]

Nope. All last season's financial problems have been cleared. We're pretty much in the black, especially after all those cup replays brought in extra cash. How long that lasts is anyone's guess, though.


well done.
hope ye win the cup for that.;)

[redobit]

i taught sligo were up to their balls in debt ?

By all accounts we're on the way to making a profit this season, not bad considering the economic times.
As brianw82 said how long it lasts is another thing, however the people involved at the moment and behind the scenes are doing a good job, so Id be v optomistic for the future (famous last words).

[ClaretnBlue]

We've just announced during the week that we are now going to be a non-profit making Club..............class

[Tony Soprano]

Wexfors Youths as a club didn't exist prior to entering the league of Ireland. Wallace had planned for a few years to enter an under 20 side based on the Wexford League under 18's that he'd managed with great success over more than a decade, the demise of Dublin City meant the under 20 entry was upgraded to a rushed league of Ireland entry. Everything to do with the club is owned and financed by Wallace, I've seen little evidence to suggest that it would survive without him and I get the impression he's not all that enthused by the League of Ireland experience. There's been a certain amount of hostility towards the club form the local junior league and many wouldn't be sorry to see it's demise and a return to the old structures.

why is there tension with the junior league ? is it over taking players ?

[seand]

It could be argued that most of the clubs who "are not in trouble" are also not in the Premier Division.

[passerrby]

ergo First Div = smarter clubs

[dcfcsteve]

It could be argued that most of the clubs who "are not in trouble" are also not in the Premier Division.

Or more accurately "not in contention".... ;)

[Scrufil]

Athlone Town will not comment until the season's end. I think although not great we will finish on a better footing than last year. Only the final accounts will truely show this picture.

[sadloserkid]

Could be lookin at the start of next season without all the B******t thats plagued us for the last couple of years. :)

We say that every year though. :) Things look positive this time round so fingers crossed.

[Cosmo]

We've just announced during the week that we are now going to be a non-profit making Club..............class

Yeah that was reassuring to hear :D

[Longfordian]

It'll make a welcome change for ye all I'm sure.

[Kildareman]

Or more accurately "not in contention".... ;)

UCD..;) Sporting Fingal..;)

Whats the state of Shelbourne now? They seem to have
changed their ways.

[Ezeikial]

Somebody please sort out a cam for the Dundalk lads.It would be great if the streaming thing spread to more grounds and Im sure it will.:)

Crikey - their mad enough with a mic, sure they would run amock with a camera

[John83]

Whats the state of Shelbourne now? They seem to have changed their ways.
They seem to be more or less living within their means, though of course it's hard to tell for sure. There's still the big question mark over their long term home though.

[oriel]

It could be argued that most of the clubs who "are not in trouble" are also not in the Premier Division.

Good point, think we made a small profit last year of around 10k (FD), it will be a substantial loss this season, but I think thats more to do with the recession, sponsorship fall off etc, as our crowds have increased by 1,000 on avg.

You could also argue do many world football clubs make a profit?, I recall reading once, not long ago that of the 92 in England only top 4 made money and a lot of that was debt re-payment.

[stamullendrog]

Didnt want to start a thread so I hope you dont mind me sticking another positive into this one.The coverage of games by Dundalk fm SRFC TV and icandy from the Brandywell has really shown the way forward and has been invaluable to overseas fans and those at home who cant make it to games.Somebody please sort out a cam for the Dundalk lads.It would be great if the streaming thing spread to more grounds and Im sure it will.:)

ya can add drogs live radio to that too

[thischarmingman]

Athlone Town will not comment until the season's end. I think although not great we will finish on a better footing than last year. Only the final accounts will truely show this picture.

Athlone were in a lot of bother about a year or so ago, weren't they? I'd be pleased for them if they have managed to extricate themselves to some extent.

[A N Mouse]

Good point, think we made a small profit last year of around 10k (FD),<b> it will be a substantial loss this season, but I think thats more to do with the recession, sponsorship fall off etc</b>, as our crowds have increased by 1,000 on avg.

Not to mention some kind of record in disciplinary fines :p

You must have got nearly as many red cards as big clive, and he just has to look to someone to get sent off. :(


You could also argue do many world football clubs make a profit?, I recall reading once, not long ago that of the 92 in England only top 4 made money and a lot of that was debt re-payment.

Think this season might see a 'big' (foreign) club implode. Unfortunately that just means someone(s) with less sense than cents [and just to rub salt in, possibly from this part of the world] will come along 'looking for a bargin'

[Battery Rover]

Athlone were in a lot of bother about a year or so ago, weren't they? I'd be pleased for them if they have managed to extricate themselves to some extent.

Cant give any details but there will be plenty of good news stories coming out of the club over the close season.

[Ezeikial]

You must have got nearly as many red cards as big clive, and he just has to look to someone to get sent off. :(



Big Clive is top of Dundalk wish list for next year, maybe Gary Deegan would fit in as well.

Plan is to have a squad size of about 65 to cover for the suspensions:rolleyes:

[pineapple stu]

Good point, think we made a small profit last year of around 10k (FD), it will be a substantial loss this season, but I think thats more to do with the recession, sponsorship fall off etc, as our crowds have increased by 1,000 on avg.
You don't think it may be to do spending extra money on wages at all?

[shep]

You don't think it may be to do spending extra money on wages at all?

Wage bill wasnt massivly different to that of Gills to be honest Stu,Oriel is correct in what he is saying...the loss of our main sponsor and the failure of the "Shop Dundalk" campaign to bring in projected revenue was one of themain reasons for the shortfall.

[oriel]

You don't think it may be to do spending extra money on wages at all?

Of course it was, I was only pointing out that a profit was made while in the FD.

[pineapple stu]

Hm. You and shep seem to be disagreeing, and shep's agreeing with your previous post... I'm all confused. :p

Anyways, think we're agreeing it was a bit of both?

[John83]

Hm. You and shep seem to be disagreeing, and shep's agreeing with your previous post... I'm all confused. :p

Anyways, think we're agreeing it was a bit of both?
Dundalk fans have said a number of times that their wage bill hasn't increased enormously this year. I seem to recall figures like €8k last year and €10-12k this year (I'm open to correction here). Obviously, that increase is a good chunk of their loss for the season, but promotion should have seen their income go up. That it hasn't says more about the relative drops in income (league-wide, I believe) than an over-ambitious wage budget.

[shep]

Hm. You and shep seem to be disagreeing, and shep's agreeing with your previous post... I'm all confused. :p

Anyways, think we're agreeing it was a bit of both?

I agree...no wait i disagree...by the way Stu and all the U.C.D lads,congrats,lookin forward to Dundalk playin our 1st game at "the bowl"

[Ezeikial]

Dundalk fans have said a number of times that their wage bill hasn't increased enormously this year. I seem to recall figures like €8k last year and €10-12k this year (I'm open to correction here). Obviously, that increase is a good chunk of their loss for the season, but promotion should have seen their income go up. That it hasn't says more about the relative drops in income (league-wide, I believe) than an over-ambitious wage budget.

I can't recall with certainty the figures for 2008, but it is probably a fair stab that the wage bill has increased for 2009 in the region of €1.5 to €2k a week. So clearly, that additional €60k - €80k is a big chunk of the €200k deficit this season. The other big issues were €195k drop in sponsorships, and the enforced €50k cost of replacing the pitch, apart althogether from the cancellation of Barcelona and unsuccessfull Atletico friendlies.

It is resonable to expect any board to be prudent and sensible with their projections and spending, and to apply a balance between this and sporting ambition (in this case to consolidate in the premier division). In hindsight, it would have required a player budget reduction of €5k a week to breakeven - and most probably have made an instant return to the graveyard division. No thanks, we will pay our debts, re-group and move on!

[pineapple stu]

Dundalk fans have said a number of times that their wage bill hasn't increased enormously this year. I seem to recall figures like €8k last year and €10-12k this year (I'm open to correction here). Obviously, that increase is a good chunk of their loss for the season
True (and I wasn't one of those getting digs in at Dundalk at the start of the season). I was working off very rough maths though. Crowds up by 1000 -20 games and a tenner a pop is E200k extra gate receipts. Prize money probably down E50k (cos they won the First last year). Loss of E200k compared to breakeven last year per the CEO. This leaves a shortfall on last year somewhere of E350k. If that's all (or mainly) down to fundraising, then they must have had a damned good fundraising department last year.

If we assume the wages are up from E8k to E11k, then you've E3k a week @ 36 weeks = E100k, but you've also to factor in 52 week contracts this year (full-time), which'd add on an extra E176k.

As I say, that's just me doing rough maths just to back up my initial post.


I agree...no wait i disagree...by the way Stu and all the U.C.D lads,congrats,lookin forward to Dundalk playin our 1st game at "the bowl"
If youz lot start singing "We all went to Trinity", you'll be removed!!! :p

Edit - Ezeikal posted in the meantime. Sponsorship was E195k down on last year? That's a lot.

[roinuj]

True (and I wasn't one of those getting digs in at Dundalk at the start of the season). I was working off very rough maths though. Crowds up by 1000 -20 games and a tenner a pop is E200k extra gate receipts. Prize money probably down E50k (cos they won the First last year). Loss of E200k compared to breakeven last year per the CEO. This leaves a shortfall on last year somewhere of E350k. If that's all (or mainly) down to fundraising, then they must have had a damned good fundraising department last year.

If we assume the wages are up from E8k to E11k, then you've E3k a week @ 36 weeks = E100k, but you've also to factor in 52 week contracts this year (full-time), which'd add on an extra E176k.

As I say, that's just me doing rough maths just to back up my initial post.


If youz lot start singing "We all went to Trinity", you'll be removed!!! :p

Edit - Ezeikal posted in the meantime. Sponsorship was E195k down on last year? That's a lot.

dundalk are a credit to the league.
their only downfall is that plastic pitch.

[forza rovers]

dundalk are a credit to the league.
their only downfall is that plastic pitch.
signing players and a couple of weeks later making them take pay cuts they sure are a credit to the league.

[Dillonman]

signing players and a couple of weeks later making them take pay cuts they sure are a credit to the league.

Month and a half later!

[Riddickcule]

We are a credit to the league.....somehow

[Acornvilla]

We are a credit to the league.....somehow
watching tg4 ye have some lovely fat ginger supporters :)