Bayern v Real

[Shed End John]

Thought this one was a bit of a let down to be honest. Real played nowhere near their usual extremely high standards. Bayern showed just how poor a season they're having by failing to take advantage. Instead, they handed it to Real, who must now be odds-on to finish it in the return leg.

[John83]

Don't rule out Bayern just yet. Ballack could win it on his own! Provided, that is, he's not suspended.

[SÓC]

eh Ballack, feic him. Ollie Kahn will win it for them on his own. He'll make up for that mistake bigtime.

Any team with Dodgy David in central midfield is vulnerable in defence.

Super Roy Makay to score and Ollie Kahn to keep a clean sheet for Bayern.

[Shed End John]

Originally posted by SÓC
eh Ballack, feic him. Ollie Kahn will win it for them on his own. He'll make up for that mistake bigtime.

Any team with Dodgy David in central midfield is vulnerable in defence.

Super Roy Makay to score and Ollie Kahn to keep a clean sheet for Bayern.

But any team with Ronaldo and Ronnie up front is 100% certain to get goals. Don't know about ye, but I can't see Real playing as bad again given that they're at home and what they're capable of. Bayern played their best game all season and still gave Real the advantage going into the 2nd leg, I don't see them coming anywhere close to knocking the Galacticos out.

[Éanna]

Originally posted by Shed End John
But any team with Ronaldo and Ronnie up front is 100% certain to get goals.
I know he's fat, but its not like there's two of him!!!! :D Real were absolute muck, no way they'll be that bad at home, they'd be strung up by their fans. They'll go through, but they haven't replaced Makelele and that could well be their dowfall. Firstly they need to start playing Cambiasso instead of Guti and secondly they need a centre-half.

[Shed End John]

Originally posted by Éanna
They'll go through, but they haven't replaced Makelele and that could well be their dowfall. Firstly they need to start playing Cambiasso instead of Guti and secondly they need a centre-half.

Totally agree with ya, but, at least we'll be celebrating ANOTHER Spanish title at the end of the season. Valencia hit the self-destruct button AGAIN away to Espanyol. Eight points ahead, no way on Earth we'll be caught now!!

[Coltron]

but, at least we'll be celebrating ANOTHER Spanish title
Eight points ahead, no way on Earth we'll be caught now!!

Cork arent good enogh to support 100%? How many other teams do you support? Ive nothing wrong with someone supporting more than one team but come on, you probably never seem them play more than once (if even) live I would bet ur not from spain or have any relations from Madrid yet its seems as if ur a season ticket holder.

Admiration for another team/manager is normal I mean just look at Wenger at Arsenal the mans done brilliantly and has my total respect in that regard but I would never call them by any of the following 'we, us, ours...' or anything other of the sort.

Its like your cheating on your team! Having it off with another team while yours its away for the winter. It even has the bold letters and the exclamation marks. Did you not read the eleventh commandment :
11) 'Thou shall not covet thy neighbours football team'.

How do you expect Cork to win the league with this part-time supporting? Eircom League clubs are a step away from the local parish G** clubs but they need just as much maybe more for people to help out, 100%.

[Éanna]

I can't speak for John, but my supporting Real has to do with the fact that I've spent a lot of holidays there and nearly all my spanish friends are Real fans. There's no real conflict in supporting another team once you give your all to your own team anyway.

[Coltron]

Ah sure who am I to judge, support who you like.

But what gets me is that some people and Im not directing this at John, go on and on about a team that they have no real conection too like they are the equal of a real supporter of that team. To me it can come across as a bit I donno, shallow and false.

[lopez]

Hey I'm all for Irish people showing an interest in a league that's big on quality and low on hype rather than a league that's low on quality and big on hype... even if they are putas madridistas. ;)

PS: SEJ, watch out for Barstadolona coming up on the flank. Looks like they're back in business...unfortunately. :(

[Shed End John]

Originally posted by lopez
PS: SEJ, watch out for Barstadolona coming up on the flank. Looks like they're back in business...unfortunately. :(

I know, I know. Much more of it and my brother will start letting me know all about how they're back. Barca must be suffering chronic nosebleeds by now, though, they're up so high!:D :D
Éanna, I agree that there's no conflict. Coltron, I may support Real, but I'm a fan(atic) of City. If the two played each other tomorrow, I'd shout my lungs out for City.

[SÓC]

Eight wins in a row.

Barca gonna get ya Barca gonna get ya:D

Look over yer shoulders Real, well at least the mighty Barca will once more grace the Champions League next season if the form holds:)

[lopez]

Originally posted by SÓC
Eight wins in a row.

Barca gonna get ya Barca gonna get ya:D

Look over yer shoulders Real, well at least the mighty Barca will once more grace the Champions League next season if the form holds:)
Despite my aversion of the Ricatolicas (Copyright Juan Marsé about hypocritical rich Catalans in the late sixties who claim to hate the Franco dictatorship but subscribe to all its agencies, in his book: 'La obscura historia de la prima Montse') I think the CL is missing them. Just wish they'd employ more Spanish players (and Irish ones) than going hunting for Dutch ones all the time.

[SÓC]

Originally posted by lopez
I think the CL is missing them. Just wish they'd employ more Spanish players (and Irish ones) than going hunting for Dutch ones all the time.

I agree. IMO a Barca team should be made up of (in this order)
1. Catalans
2. Spanish/Basque/Gallicians
3. Others

The club has been very badly run in a the past few years, Joan Laporte seems to be sorting that out.

Its amazing how Barca havnt gone for Irish players when you think that they consider the 'more than a club' ethosand their empathy with the Irish people.

[lopez]

Originally posted by SÓC
Its amazing how Barca havnt gone for Irish players when you think that they consider the 'more than a club' ethosand their empathy with the Irish people.
Barstadolona are if anything, canny. Unlike Athletic Bilbao, which I think is a great club - I went there in June for the game against Depor and wore a shirt right on the edge of the ultras behind the goals with my two kids (bought the tickets off touts after the game became a sell-out before I arrived) and didn't get a bit of hassle - Barsta are a bunch of hypocrites. They bring out this 'mes de un club' sh*te and don't wear adverts on their shirts and bring out the old cojones about being representatives of the Catalan nation, and treat their 'own' like mierda and fawn over the Dutch because Cruyff was one. How much did they get from Nike for that whoosh on their shirts? At least you know where you stand with the newshirts.

As for empathy with the Irish, look out for tricolours at games involving Bilbao, Celta and Depor (although the last one is sometimes yours truly and Sylvo waving them like when they visited North London two years ago).

[Coltron]

Ronaldo and Roberto Carlos out with Raul doubtful, it could be a very tough match indeed. If they are out what will the team look like?

Portillo and Guti up front is the talk at the moment, but is there a replacment for Bob Carlos, one that can play well in a big such as this? He for me is arguably Reals best defender considering all that he offers going forward espessially and could be a more infunential loss that Ronnie?

Bayerns ship looks to in good nick and a shock may be on the cards.

[SÓC]

Anyone see how Ollie Kahn played at the weekend? Bayer Leverkausen should have beaten Bayern 5-3 but lost 3-1. In the end he was only beaten by a savage deflection. Made unreal saves. He'll be up for the second leg after his mess up in the first.

[John83]

Originally posted by Coltron
Ronaldo and Roberto Carlos out with Raul doubtful, it could be a very tough match indeed. If they are out what will the team look like?

Portillo and Guti up front is the talk at the moment, but is there a replacment for Bob Carlos, one that can play well in a big such as this? He for me is arguably Reals best defender considering all that he offers going forward espessially and could be a more infunential loss that Ronnie?

Bayerns ship looks to in good nick and a shock may be on the cards.
Their defense is never in good nick, so the loss of Carlos is a big one. Solari should be able to get a reasonable job done, but I imagine Salihamedic, Deisler, Hargreaves or whoever Bayern play on the right should be enough to keep him back. That'll cost them a lot of width, unless they play Beckham wide right and Figo on the left. That leaves the centre for Zidane + A.N. other, which should be enough.

The loss of Raul isn't disasterous - he's not exactly on fire at the moment, and Portillo looks like a great little player. Ronaldo will be a big blow, but I think overall Real still have enough to go through. Of course, with Bayern at full strength, I wouldn't be putting any money on it.

[Coltron]

Maybe Bayern on the away goals, with no holding midfielder or quaility defender, there should be chances there for Bayern and Mcakaay can put the chances away.

[Éanna]

There are a few possibilities for replacing ronnie:
1. Push Guti up front and bring Cambiasso into midfield.
2. Bring in Portillo up front.
3. Bring Solari in, push Raul up and have Solari playing off him.

IMO, 3rd option is probably the most likely based simply on experience and the fact that Queiroz seems to like Guti in defensive midfield (the mind boggles :rolleyes: ). I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Portillo at some stage- he hasn't got much experience but he's a very good player and he got a crucial goal for them against Dortmund in this competition already.

As for replacing robbie carlos- likelihood is that Raul Bravo will switch to his natural position at left back (where he's much better than in the centre IMO) but that still leaves a place in the centre of defence, which isn't exactly reals strong point. Maybe he'll bring in Ruben or Minambres- both talented, but VERY inexperienced.

I expect Real to shade it though

[Shed End John]

Originally posted by Éanna
I expect Real to shade it though

Likewise. AC Milan in the pool stages and Juventus last night showed that league form doesn't always transfer to Europe. Besides, just because Bayern are on a half-decent run against Germany's nothing teams that they've beaten time and again over the last few years does NOT mean they'll get anywhere near Real, especially at the Fortress Bernabeu.

[Coltron]

Right lads,
I got it very wrong this year, with Bayern out, (who I backed ante-post) and Juventus out (who I later fancied) it has been a throughly bad one for me.

I said at the then time of writing who was going to win wihtout giving to much attention to your arguments and well you were right. So no more public predictions for me. Good call.

;)

[Macy]

Originally posted by Conor74
Poor game. How Salgado stayed on the pitch was beyond me.
He doesn't play for Man United....

[Éanna]

Originally posted by Conor74
Poor game. How Salgado stayed on the pitch was beyond me. Should've walked for a tackle in the second half when on a yellow, and then late in the game when there was a bit of a melee. And God forbid anyone should breath on him, when he's all 'card' gestures and pleading with the ref...
Yeah, he should have walked for the second tackle, no doubt about it. But equally Bayern were lucky to finish with 11 men as well after Kuffour among others raising their hands in peoples faces in the "mill" (as dunphy called it) at the end. IMO Real were fairly comfortable for most of the game, I expected Bayern to go down fighting, and apart from the 2 centre-backs and Schweinsteiger (who was only on for 45 mins) they were very disappointing. IMO Real have a great chance of winning it, if they avoid Milan.

First thing Queiroz should do if he wants to win the thing is either put beckham on the right, or drop him entirely. The two games against Bayern have proved he's not god enough in the centre, at least not at this level, but he is a handy player to have on the pitch. Thought Solari, Zidane, Helguera and particularly Guti had excellent games last night. Also, the young centre half played very well considering his lack of experience.

[tiktok]

:D

Conor, sure Fulham were awarded a penalty at old trafford only last weekend, blatant anti-united reffing ;)

Salgado certainly should have been sent off, but Lizarazu and Kuffour could both have been sent off too for 'handbags'. I actually enjoyed the game, some great pieces of skill.

Agree with Eanna that Beckham looks out of his depth in central midfield (at CL level anyway). What happened to the kid Cambiasso (?spelling) I assumed he'd be the first choice CM now that Makalele has moved, afaik he'll be on a bosman in the summer.

Just an observation, Raul did well to stay on his feet when Kahn made contact with him, especially with Figo and Solari 'falling down' a lot either side of him.

[balls]

i taught it was a good game of football. very tough game. ballack has lost his form didnt seem himself. zidane showed some great tricks. helguera played well beckham should be played wide right. where he can cause serious damage not in the middle where he is ineffective.

[Éanna]

Originally posted by tiktok
What happened to the kid Cambiasso (?spelling) I assumed he'd be the first choice CM now that Makalele has moved, afaik he'll be on a bosman in the summer.
Latest rumours are that Cambiasso could be on his way to Arsenal in the summer, along with Morientes. IMO the guy should be starting regularly for Real, he's very talented, and more effective than beckham in the centre. I'd hate to see him go