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sligofan4ever
19/10/2009, 7:05 PM
On now.
Con Murphy surely has broken the MNS record for quickest error ? only a minute gone and he said Cretaro scored against Bray, when it was actually Eoin Doyle :D.
centre mid
19/10/2009, 7:17 PM
It was hard to tell, they showed that little of the game.
brianw82
19/10/2009, 7:20 PM
I honestly wouldn't have known from the clip.
Disco Tony really putting the boot into TNB there.
about bloody time everyone outside of cork city fans can see and say what Tommy No Bobs is like
centre mid
19/10/2009, 7:47 PM
First red card in the Dundalk v Sligo game looked very harsh, the other two looked right.
sligofan4ever
19/10/2009, 7:50 PM
Jaysus, how did the referee think that was a red for Delaney!
CarrickFan
19/10/2009, 7:51 PM
Connor is such a bitter little Bo**ix!!
3 blatant red cards...fair play to Tony...should be us that are giving out about the ref...obvious handball in front of the ref that should have been a 2nd peno..
CameramanConka
19/10/2009, 7:52 PM
It was hard to tell, they showed that little of the game.
What more do you want? The games nearly a week old and there was a single goal that decided the issue. That was plenty.
All 3 reds looked nailed on to me. Heary should have got a straight red rather than a second yellow.
If anything, Sligo were hard done by, as that looked a penalty near the end.
CameramanConka
19/10/2009, 7:53 PM
First red card in the Dundalk v Sligo game looked very harsh, the other two looked right.
Cretaro's play acting there was shocking.
Youths4Ever
19/10/2009, 7:57 PM
Cretaro's play acting there was shocking.
maybe but intent was there
brianw82
19/10/2009, 7:58 PM
Cretaro's play acting there was shocking.
It did look like Cretaro was struck, but he did go down like a ton of bricks.
The Dundalk player's actions right after could have got him sent off as much as the elbow, tbh.
hoops1
19/10/2009, 8:00 PM
Cretaro's play acting there was shocking.
:eek: Ye the way he faked the Dundalk player smashing him in the face and then the way he faked the ball being bounced of his head while on the ground
The ref only got one major decision wrong and that was not giving Sligo a peno
CameramanConka
19/10/2009, 8:03 PM
:eek: Dundalk player smashing him in the face
A stray pinkie in the eye more like it. Cretaro has form for this type of carry on.
hoops1
19/10/2009, 8:04 PM
Ye and he bounced the ball off his own head.
Redkenrover
19/10/2009, 8:13 PM
Cretaro's play acting there was shocking.
You really are our number 1 fan this week:D
SMorgan
19/10/2009, 10:37 PM
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The Dundalk player's actions right after could have got him sent off as much as the elbow, tbh.
I assume the player was send-off totally on the basis of the afters as there was no 'elbow'.
But, what about Clive Delaney? That was some tackle of O'Brien. He could have amputated his two legs!!!
WoodquayBoy
19/10/2009, 10:43 PM
Thought Cretaro exaggerated the contact from Dundalk player, but the ball bounce was a red carfd offence in itself. Agree Heary should have got a straight red, and Sligo should have got a penalty at the end. People say there was intent in Cretaro incident, but I don't buy into that. Same with O'Brien, he said there was intent with Delaney so he went down. Horse****, it was a dive, pure and simple, and I am disappointed he stooped that low, was not so long ago United (me included) were complaining about Baker's theatrics which saw Shane Guthrie be sent off for us
White Horse
19/10/2009, 10:54 PM
I assume the player was send-off totally on the basis of the afters as there was no 'elbow'.
But, what about Clive Delaney? That was some tackle of O'Brien. He could have amputated his two legs!!!
Can't complain about red cards numbers 1 and 3. I thought the Turner sending off was harsh. His arm was by his side and he really tried to block the ball with his chest. There was no intent to handle the ball.
The Galway Utd player needs to look at himself.
showgies
19/10/2009, 10:58 PM
Cretaro's play acting there was shocking.
Perhaps, but I'm sure the red card was for hopping the ball off his head.
The camera man did well to capture both instances, MNS cameramen usually miss the key talking points.
WoodquayBoy
19/10/2009, 10:58 PM
The Galway United player needs to be fined retrospectively for unsporting behaviour.
osarusan
19/10/2009, 10:58 PM
His arm was by his side and he really tried to block the ball with his chest. There was no intent to handle the ball.
I'd agree about intent, but he did lean over (trying to get his chest in line with the ball) and it did hit his arm, so, I'd say that's a free, and consequently a red.
White Horse
20/10/2009, 8:01 AM
I'd agree about intent, but he did lean over (trying to get his chest in line with the ball) and it did hit his arm, so, I'd say that's a free, and consequently a red.
It did hit his arm and was a penalty. However, as far I am aware, there must be intent for a red card to be given.
It did hit his arm and was a penalty. However, as far I am aware, there must be intent for a red card to be given.I thought denying a goal scoring opportunity warranted a red? and whether there was intent or not the ball was heading for the back of the net.
Delaneys red on the other hand was laughable, a red card when there was no contact at all.
CF1989
20/10/2009, 8:33 AM
anyone know who it was that sent off danny murphy against bray the other week? hit his hand on the line but didnt mean it at all, and got sent off. turner leaned towards the ball when you see it in slow motion and it hit his hand so i think its a red tbh. he tried to chest it away, he didnt, it hit his arm. surely no complaints from dundalk about 1 or 3. dont think theres much room for complaint on the turner one either.
connor is some idiot. if he cant see that there all red cards he shouldnt be in football. looking for the limelight again asking the players to come off. blatant handball at the end aswell. the referee bottled it for the last 20 minutes, gave dundalk everything to try and even it up a bit
CameramanConka
20/10/2009, 10:25 AM
Perhaps, but I'm sure the red card was for hopping the ball off his head.
The camera man did well to capture both instances, MNS cameramen usually miss the key talking points.
Really? I assume you've seen every last bit of footage from every game. Christ almighty. :rolleyes:
centre mid
20/10/2009, 10:29 AM
anyone know who it was that sent off danny murphy against bray the other week? hit his hand on the line but didnt mean it at all, and got sent off. turner leaned towards the ball when you see it in slow motion and it hit his hand so i think its a red tbh. he tried to chest it away, he didnt, it hit his arm. surely no complaints from dundalk about 1 or 3. dont think theres much room for complaint on the turner one either.
Regardless of intention, I think they are both red cards.
sligored
20/10/2009, 11:34 AM
Really? I assume you've seen every last bit of footage from every game. Christ almighty. :rolleyes:
You are very defensive about some pretty pathetic camera work at times.
Your continual negative comments about anything sligo rovers are getting boring at this stage(see your previous 6 foot.ie comments).Worry about your own team and we will look after ourselves
3 red cards justified , if ref gave pen for ventres handball , then the penalty at the end should without doubt have been given.
CameramanConka
20/10/2009, 11:43 AM
You are very defensive about some pretty pathetic camera work at times.
Your continual negative comments about anything sligo rovers are getting boring at this stage(see your previous 6 foot.ie comments).Worry about your own team and we will look after ourselves
3 red cards justified , if ref gave pen for ventres handball , then the penalty at the end should without doubt have been given.
6 posts. SIX? Jesus, I should be shot. :rolleyes:
passinginterest
20/10/2009, 11:51 AM
6 posts. SIX? Jesus, I should be shot. :rolleyes:
Just don't ask one of your camera man colleagues to do it, they'd only miss :D
Sorry. :o
CameramanConka
20/10/2009, 11:57 AM
:D :D Was waiting on that!!
Dugout
20/10/2009, 12:03 PM
Lads, one of the 7 sending off offences in law 12 is "denying the opposing team a goal or obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball". The red card in the Dundalk match was spot on as was the red card in the Bray match the previous week. The players sent off where both standing on the goal-line so therefore denyed the opposing team a goal by handling the ball. In both games it was the same referee and he gave the correct decisions.
As for Sean Connor he hasn't got a clue! All the reds card were correct decisions.
micls
20/10/2009, 12:06 PM
Lads, one of the 7 sending off offences in law 12 is "denying the opposing team a goal or obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball". The red card in the Dundalk match was spot on as was the red card in the Bray match the previous week. The players sent off where both standing on the goal-line so therefore denyed the opposing team a goal by handling the ball. In both games it was the same referee and he gave the correct decisions.
As for Sean Connor he hasn't got a clue! All the reds card were correct decisions.
The ket word in the rule is deliberately. That's what's being debated.
He moved towards the ball and stopped it with his arm. If it had just hit him I could see room for debate, but the way it happened it looked an obvious red card.
Ceirtlis
20/10/2009, 12:57 PM
It did hit his arm and was a penalty. However, as far I am aware, there must be intent for a red card to be given.
I think by giving a penalty he has to deem it deliberate, you cant give a free(penalty) for accidental hand ball.
Generally a free will be given if it hits a players hand even though he has had sufficient time to prevent it from doing so, even if he doesnt stick his hand out. Doesnt matter in this case though because he moved his arm towards the ball. Other two sendings off were definite reds. Did Dundalk seriously think of going off the pitch at one stage ffs.
The bad thing about it was that these antics worked out for them because the cross that was handled was a stonewall penalty, and the ref obviously didnt give it because of the pressure he was under(im not condoning the decision though).
Sligo must really be kicking themselves they didnt win the game, what were they doing for 22 minutes.?
White Horse
20/10/2009, 1:13 PM
He moved towards the ball and stopped it with his arm. If it had just hit him I could see room for debate, but the way it happened it looked an obvious red card.
The way I saw it was that he tried to block the ball with his chest. He kept his arm as far away as possible. Despite his best efforts it hit the top of his arm. This blocked a goal and Sligo deserved a penalty. However, the sending off was harsh.
Gaillimh Al
21/10/2009, 10:46 PM
Have just watched it on the Skybox.
Did anyone else not find it disconcerting that Rico, one of the main commentators on football on this island, didn't realise until very recently that the eighth placed team went into the play-off. And even then, their subsequent discussion got it wrong as they talked about it as a home-and-away event (i know the Prem v First one is), when their is a benefit to finishing eighth as the club has home advantage in a one-off event.
All Dundalk sending-offs, in isolation, looked correct. Considering the peno award in the first half when Ventre was no more than a couple of feet away and had no time to react to move his hand out of the way, the late one could have been given. Fair assumption to think Connolly was acting in the interests of his own safety. Or he didn't see it.
Schumi
22/10/2009, 12:28 AM
Did anyone else not find it disconcerting that Rico, one of the main commentators on football on this island, didn't realise until very recently that the eighth placed team went into the play-off.
That was funny, especially when, within less than a minute, he called it unprofessional. Pot calling the kettle black.
osarusan
22/10/2009, 7:53 AM
What I didn't undrstand was why Richardson feels it is 'unfair' to have the playoff between the teams at the bottom of the premier division - he said they should be judged over the course of a season, and it is silly that a team who finished 10 points clear of the team below them should have to play them in 1 game where they might be beaten.
But can't you use the same argument against the playoff at the top of the first division (and every playoff everywhere between teams who have already been competing in the same league). Why should the team in second place in the LOI First, who have shown themselves a couple of points superior (or even just a couple of goals superior) to the team below them have to go into a playoff where they might be beaten?
I don't really see what distinction he's trying to make.
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