The Title Decider Friday Oct 2nd [Archive] - Page 4

PartySaint

07/10/2009, 10:23 PM

Yes.
Shels have a pitifull support and always have done. Their success with nutsy in the 90's brought in average enough crowds but before & since, no one.

Pats are a leinster league team in everything but name.

Rovers & Bohs are the 2 biggest team in Dublin, before that it was Rovers & Drums.

We have had a higher average attendance than yous for the last 10 years bar this season, but yeah Leinster senior league team:rolleyes:

You folks up in Tallaght have very short/selective memories

theneutral

07/10/2009, 10:27 PM

To answer a question above, im sure my wife would have been appaled at the monkey noises had she heard them, but probably not as much as hearing people abuse her own (protestants, northern irish nationals), obviously she would take it more to heart hearing the sectarian ****e than the racism, i can confirm she is caucasian!

Obviously racism in any form is not acceptable wherever you may be, only point i was trying to make is that there were probably as many people making said racist noises as there were the small minority of chav around me spouting there secterian bile!
Can only have been a max of 10 or twelve offenders on both sides, who were BOTH in the wrong! Obviously with the camera being on that side of the ground it picked up the ROvers yobs racist taunts, if it had been on the other side it would have been the Bohs fans answering up for the action of there scummers!
Both Rovers and Bohs fans in my eyes are guilty of identical offences (secterianism is as bad as racism in my eyes) in equal measures, small as they may be! Only difference being Roves fans are heard on camera and the Bohs fans havent been, hence my call for some to drop this holier than thou attitude and acknowledge that it is unfair to tar everybody with the same brush as a result of the few idiots both clubs evidently have attending there games. I'll stop shy of calling them supporters as they are not worthy of being classed as such.

sonofstan

08/10/2009, 12:02 AM

Poor Neanderthals. They have an awful bad rep.

getting compared to Rovers fans is a new low, even for them....

BohsPartisan

08/10/2009, 7:47 AM

T Obviously with the camera being on that side of the ground it picked up the ROvers yobs racist taunts, if it had been on the other side it would have been the Bohs fans answering up for the action of there scummers!

It sounds like more than 10-12 with the Monkey chants. (PS. There were microphones on both sides of the ground. Its not the actual camera that picks up the sound!)

oriel

08/10/2009, 9:09 AM

Shels have a pitifull support and always have done. Their success with nutsy in the 90's brought in average enough crowds but before & since, no one.

A mate at work was at the Shels v UCD game on fri, almost 1,500 there with quite a small UCD support. After what happended them over last few yrs this is a more than a decent crowd, and building up nicely too for the season.

I say fair play to them, they`d be a great addition to next years PD.

ger121

08/10/2009, 9:57 AM

A mate at work was at the Shels v UCD game on fri, almost 1,500 there with quite a small UCD support. After what happended them over last few yrs this is a more than a decent crowd, and building up nicely too for the season.

I say fair play to them, they`d be a great addition to next years PD.

Yeah will be good to have them back if they get promoted. Always liked heading down to Tolka for a Bohs vs Shels match. Talking about Tolka, will Shels be still playing there next season?

HarpoJoyce

08/10/2009, 3:01 PM

A mate at work was at the Shels v UCD game on fri, almost 1,500 there with quite a small UCD support. After what happended them over last few yrs this is a more than a decent crowd, and building up nicely too for the season.

I say fair play to them, they`d be a great addition to next years PD.

That's really nice of you.
Our recent move from Belfield Park was a wrench but we're looking at a Sky Blue horizon at the moment.

pineapple stu

08/10/2009, 3:05 PM

I assume he was talking about Shels.

There were 40-50 of us in Tolka, FWIW.

Sheridan

08/10/2009, 6:12 PM

Latest despatches from Shams' War on Reality: The lino was not struck by the bottle. He was faking it and holding up the game to spite them.

That's Planet Rovers, people. Question and query everything they come out with.

RoversHead

08/10/2009, 11:08 PM

I have a very ropey mobile phone recording of the first bottle incident, if you stare at it long enough you can clearly make out a rovers fan in a monkey costume drinking half the coke out of a plastic bottle.Ill stick it up on youtube for you Sheridan honey x

SkStu

09/10/2009, 3:11 AM

Ezeikial

09/10/2009, 8:09 AM

Yeah will be good to have them back if they get promoted. Always liked heading down to Tolka for a Bohs vs Shels match. Talking about Tolka, will Shels be still playing there next season?

If Shels do get promoted, you won't necessarily be going to see Shels V Bohs in Tolka in a league game next season.

I think it's very questionable whether any other Dublin club's support would have held up the way Shels' has after three years in the First Division. Their core support might not be the biggest, but it's probably the most loyal. Bohs would be down to less than 500 by now, IMO.

It's possible that we will find out the level of first division support at Bohs next season!

marinobohs

09/10/2009, 10:58 AM

It's possible that we will find out the level of first division support at Bohs next season!

Still more than Dundqalk in the premier I suggest (especially as the novelty wears off). Anyway we can always renege on players contracts during the season (as other clubs did) so problem solved !

R�iteoir

09/10/2009, 11:10 AM

Still more than Dundqalk in the premier I suggest (especially as the novelty wears off). Anyway we can always renege on players contracts during the season (as other clubs did) so problem solved !

Or they could sack a few players on grounds of "Gross Misconduct" - that'd work

seand

09/10/2009, 1:33 PM

Still more than Dundqalk in the premier I suggest (especially as the novelty wears off). Anyway we can always renege on players contracts during the season (as other clubs did) so problem solved !

You reckon Bohs support will go up if they're in the First rather than challenging for league titles? It sure is a funny ol' club ;)

marinobohs

09/10/2009, 1:41 PM

You reckon Bohs support will go up if they're in the First rather than challenging for league titles? It sure is a funny ol' club ;)

I suggest that when the novelty of the prem wears off that Dundalks crowd will likely drop off form this seasons figures.
Still they can make up for it by coming on here whinging about Bohs. Dundalk and seanie boy , well matched :D

Leejo

09/10/2009, 2:25 PM

Hi lads, long time reader, havent contributed on here in a long while.

I was at the game with my wife on friday night, first game in over 15 years. Got tickets for the bohs section from a lad in work here.
WHen i was reading about the allegations of racism i thought to my self taht must be wrong, it was more sectarian than racist (as obviously i hadnt heard anything by way of monkey noises in the ground on friday).

The Bohs fans on here with a hollier than thou attitude need to take a long hard look at there own fans before kicking up for action against another club.
Some of the bile i heard coming from "some" of the Bohs fans the other night was discusting, my wife being a belfast native, and "proddie" for her troubles had her night ruined by a minority of infantile biggots. She was quiet as a mouse for the whole game and it was a horrible feeling watching that as she usually gets right into her sports when she's watching it.
The night was ruined for her, and for me also as a result. WOuld be interested to know what any Bohs fans would like to say for themselves (ones at the game preferably), its been a while since iv been to a game with herself and i can tell you it will be a long while before she goes again if ever, thanks to these scumbags!

I might even suggest that had the camera been on the opposite side of the ground on Friday night it would be the Bohs fans who would be on the back foot having to explain and defend themselves?

Didnt UEFA take action against Rangers over sectarian chanting at there games recently? Could be wrong!

Excellent facilities, poor game even worse feeling leaving the ground (early). Night ruined!

You do realise Rovers fans refer to Bohs as a protestant club and refer to Bohs as "Orange bstards" in many of their anti-Bohs songs don't you?

I was in the Bohs stand and could certainly hear Rovers fans singing songs towards us to the same effect. Strange that I could hear it and yet you didn't, either that or you just chose to ignore it and focus on Bohs being sectarian. Obviously neither sectarianism or racism is acceptable but I find it very strange you chose to highlight as you say 10-12 Bohs fans calling the Rovers keeper "a dirty orange basterd" and yet didn't mention 3-4,000 Rovers fans singing towards our end calling us Orange... :confused:

Have the FAI or Shamrock Rovers come out with a statement yet condemning the monkey chants?

ger121

09/10/2009, 2:40 PM

If Shels do get promoted, you won't necessarily be going to see Shels V Bohs in Tolka in a league game next season.

Let's wait and see shall we;)

Quadruple1928

09/10/2009, 2:43 PM

You do realise Rovers fans refer to Bohs as a protestant club and refer to Bohs as "Orange bstards" in many of their anti-Bohs songs don't you?

I was in the Bohs stand and could certainly hear Rovers fans singing songs towards us to the same effect. Strange that I could hear it and yet you didn't, either that or you just chose to ignore it and focus on Bohs being sectarian. Obviously neither sectarianism or racism is acceptable but I find it very strange you chose to highlight as you say 10-12 Bohs fans calling the Rovers keeper "a dirty orange basterd" and yet didn't mention 3-4,000 Rovers fans singing towards our end calling us Orange... :confused:

Have the FAI or Shamrock Rovers come out with a statement yet condemning the monkey chants?

No, dont expect any either, just like the last time they will hope it goes away:rolleyes: no doubt with nothing being done it will happen again.

SkStu

09/10/2009, 2:45 PM

Have the FAI or Shamrock Rovers come out with a statement yet condemning the monkey chants?

http://www.insidesocal.com/tv/wildlife-monkeys-hear-no-evil-see-no-evil-speak-no-evil.jpg

oh the irony.

Dont kid yourself LeeJo - this will never be heard of in the public domain. It will die a death on here pretty soon too as pretty much NOBODY has condemned it or even referenced it very much except for ourselves. Compare to the 7-8 page thread on McGuinness v. Boco. The double standards and hypocrisy of this forum is sickening. And dont get me started on the FAI, SARI and the others who made such a song and dance about the McGuiness incident a few months ago.

theneutral

09/10/2009, 2:51 PM

and yet didn't mention 3-4,000 Rovers fans singing towards our end calling us Orange... :confused:

Have the FAI or Shamrock Rovers come out with a statement yet condemning the monkey chants?

Why would they make a statement? The actions of a few scumbags doesnt warrant press inches and im sure the FAI and Rovers are keen to portray the league in the best light posisble.

If every club were to issue statement on what a small few and by small i mean ridiculously small, (there were 6k people there remember) we'd be reading ****e about the league every other week, it gets enough bad press as it is!

I take no pleasure in stating that the Bohs fans are coming across as very bitter in all this, i cant imagine this much would have been made of it had they won the game or even scored the penalty to take a point.

It just seems like they are more keen on the self gratification which will be brought by some bad publicity coming Rovers way for once!

There was as many singing sectarian songs as there were making racist taunts, it happened, its condemned by both sets of proper fans, end of!
Dont give this morons a platforn by making more of it than needs to be!

marinobohs

09/10/2009, 2:55 PM

Have the FAI or Shamrock Rovers come out with a statement yet condemning the monkey chants?

You must be joking, rovers board (complete with hollifan) or the FAI are never likely to admit the poster boys did anything wrong. sweep ot under the carpet.
where else in football could a lino be hit with a bottle and not even a mention anywhere ?
Racism, sectarianism, illegal flares and missile throwing - the Tallaght experience !

SkStu

09/10/2009, 2:57 PM

I take no pleasure in stating that the Bohs fans are coming across as very bitter in all this, i cant imagine this much would have been made of it had they won the game or even scored the penalty to take a point.

It just seems like they are more keen on the self gratification which will be brought by some bad publicity coming Rovers way for once!

not at all. Incidents like this are always highlighted irrespective of the result.

And its about being treated equally. Our club has had its name dragged through the mud for one player making a racist remark in the heat of a game. Absolutely not acceptable and he was punished. But our whole club (from the top down) paid the price and it was splashed all over the news.

Now, somewhere between 10-50 Rovers yobs racially abuse a player during a game, audible on live TV and there hasnt been a single mention of it.

Does this make sense to you? Is this equal treatment? Is it really just bitterness? Im sorry but you and everyone else who was so quick to condemn McGuiness are guilty of applying different standards of offense to similarly reprehensible acts and that is disgraceful.

marinobohs

09/10/2009, 2:57 PM

IThere was as many singing sectarian songs as there were making racist taunts, it happened, its condemned by both sets of proper fans, end of!
Dont give this morons a platforn by making more of it than needs to be!

how amusing, yet some complained that a five match ban was not sufficent punishment for Jason Mc Guinness (and still refer to it regularly). As I said different rules apply to the 4% club

theneutral

09/10/2009, 3:11 PM

how amusing, yet some complained that a five match ban was not sufficent punishment for Jason Mc Guinness (and still refer to it regularly). As I said different rules apply to the 4% club

Us against the world eh Marino?

Show me a club that doesnt have a few idiot supporters and ill show you a lier!

marinobohs

09/10/2009, 3:14 PM

Us against the world eh Marino?

Show me a club that doesnt have a few idiot supporters and ill show you a lier!

Show it ? I suggest you learn to spell it.

Calcio Jack

09/10/2009, 3:17 PM

Show it ? I suggest you learn to spell it.

Surely you meant liar rather than 'it':D

Quadruple1928

09/10/2009, 3:39 PM

Why would they make a statement?
Dont give this morons a platforn by making more of it than needs to be!

It is nothing to do with the result, we beat you 2-0, earlier on in the season. At the time people on here said it about the racist song rovers fans were singing. "it will be dealt with" said the rovers fans it wasn't was it? Now here you are a Rovers fan, asking everyone to turn a blind eye again!:mad:

Leejo

09/10/2009, 3:47 PM

Us against the world eh Marino?

Show me a club that doesnt have a few idiot supporters and ill show you a lier!

Go have at SKStu's post on the last page will you? Hear no Evil...

Rovers fans were comparing Joesph N'do to a monkey, and all you can say is "every club has idiots." Pathetic. How many other clubs idiots have made monkey noises at a black player?

Let's not forget this isn't the first time that this has happened with Rovers, it happened in the first league game this season where Rovers fans sung a song to N'do about his father washing elephants, and before that in the first Bohs-Rovers derby last season in Tolka Park there was monkey noises aimed at Mansaram as was highlighted at the time, but sure it's all in good fun eh? Nothing to see here lads move along...

theneutral

09/10/2009, 3:56 PM

Where have i ever said that it was ok?

I wasnt on here back then or at any of the other games your reffering to so cant comment.

My point was and is, that Bohs fans singing there sectarian songs were just as bad in my eyes, sectarianism is as bad as racism!
So if your calling for the FAI and Rovers to make statements re the racist taunts of a few people then by the same rule of thumb youll be looking for a statement from the FAI and your own club about the sickening sectarian abuse coming form your own fans??? It can only be the same amount numbers wise that were the offenders for both sides as not many heard either set of "fans" carry on.

Your coming across like hypocrites gentlemen!

Leejo

09/10/2009, 4:10 PM

My point was and is, that Bohs fans singing there sectarian songs were just as bad in my eyes, sectarianism is as bad as racism!
So if your calling for the FAI and Rovers to make statements re the racist taunts of a few people then by the same rule of thumb youll be looking for a statement from the FAI and your own club about the sickening sectarian abuse coming form your own fans??? It can only be the same amount numbers wise that were the offenders for both sides as not many heard either set of "fans" carry on.

Let's be honest about this now, while neither sectarianism nor racism is acceptable - making monkey towards a black player is a lot worse than calling someone a protestant...

Leejo

09/10/2009, 4:31 PM

With the greatest of respect, F*ck You pal, you tell that to my (northie, orange proddie) wife who had to sit in the middle of all these animals and listen to it last firday night, so scared that she wouldnt open her mouth!

Let's be honest, there's no respect there - you're just telling me to f*ck off 'cos you don't like what I'm saying...

Was it 10-12 idiots in a group of 600 or was there a huge group of animals surrounding your wife? Hmmmm.

I too have a northern relation and when I told them about the song they laughed it off knowing there was no malice in it, obviously not right but had you or your wife had any common sense you'd realise that too.

What a 'neutral' was doing in the Bohs end when there was a limited amount of tickets available made to Bohs fans is ridiculous, I'd certainly have the respect for other clubs and their fans not to take a ticket to a match if there was a shortage between their own fans and I know most people on here would be the same, but that's another matter.

Tbh this is starting to smell like one big wind up from you - either that or I should show you a mountain and a molehill so you can compare them...

topia

09/10/2009, 4:31 PM

theneutral, you arent doing yourself any favours here, that should not have been sung but you said it was about 10 people, now you are making out that your wife was quivering, surrounded by 'animals'???? I dont condone it at all but you seem more interested in using it to try and condone the rovers racist chanting for some reason. and what you refered to your wife as no matter whether it was 'to make a point' or not just isnt smart

Quadruple1928

09/10/2009, 5:00 PM

you tell that to my (northie, orange proddie) wife

Thanks for that:o His first game in 15 years, he just happens to get a ticket for the Bohs section, where they were sold as one per member/season ticket holder and never even reached general sale.:rolleyes: This is a wind up!! just shows how low some rovers fans are prepared to go to hide their behaviour.

theneutral

10/10/2009, 12:52 AM

Thanks for that:o His first game in 15 years, he just happens to get a ticket for the Bohs section, where they were sold as one per member/season ticket holder and never even reached general sale.:rolleyes: This is a wind up!! just shows how low some rovers fans are prepared to go to hide their behaviour.

Probably not a good idea posting after a few jars but sod it.

Haha such paranoia, give it a rest lads will yis, ye'd swear it was tickets to the super bowl the way youve put that, im not a Rovers fan either.

By coincedence i Was in Dalymount tonight for the first hour or so before leaving, Bohs were most impressive i mst say, it was liek watching a different side to last week, the lad Brennan gives them a great outet, and quality delivery. Played some nice stuff, alot more pleasing on the eye this week thats for sure.

The lads i work/drink with being Bohs fans ill probably find meself at another 1 or two of theer games b4 the season is out, was impressed with them tonight, poor crowd though for a side goig for the league.

BohsPartisan

10/10/2009, 12:01 PM

, was impressed with them tonight, poor crowd though for a side goig for the league.

Thought the crowd looked decent from where I was standing. Second half a lot of people went down to the bar to watch the other game (what was that about?) so it emptied out a bit.

fionnsci

11/10/2009, 9:27 PM

Sorry if it's been discussed but why weren't Bohs wearing the pink breast cancer jerseys for this game?

Dunny

11/10/2009, 9:38 PM

Asked the same before and was told they only had to wear it for one game each.

marinobohs

12/10/2009, 10:28 AM

My point was and is, that Bohs fans singing there sectarian songs were just as bad in my eyes, sectarianism is as bad as racism!
So if your calling for the FAI and Rovers to make statements re the racist taunts of a few people then by the same rule of thumb youll be looking for a statement from the FAI and your own club about the sickening sectarian abuse coming form your own fans??? It can only be the same amount numbers wise that were the offenders for both sides as not many heard either set of "fans" carry on.

Bohs fans
About ten singing something sectarian to YOUR goalkeeper
Rovers fans
sectarian chanting from large number (usual Orange B******ds stuff)
Hit linesman with bottle
Racsist chanting
Throwing phone at Ndo

All the same thing eh "Neutral" ? once again the Rovers scum element are glossed over and rules of decency that should apply in any ground are ignored.
Where else in football would a linesman hit with a bottle be ignored ?

theneutral

12/10/2009, 5:30 PM

Bohs fans
About ten singing something sectarian to YOUR goalkeeper
Rovers fans
sectarian chanting from large number (usual Orange B******ds stuff)
Hit linesman with bottle
Racsist chanting
Throwing phone at Ndo

All the same thing eh "Neutral" ? once again the Rovers scum element are glossed over and rules of decency that should apply in any ground are ignored.
Where else in football would a linesman hit with a bottle be ignored ?

You do realise that post only serves to make you look like you are condoning the actions of your own fans because "rovers fans were more out of line than Bohs fans", get a grip your embaressing!

As iv already said, Not all Bohs fans were out of line that night just like not all Rovers fans were carrying on, unfortunatly its the few scumbags that can bring the hard work of the many down (on both sides)
Dont be so vain as to think its ok to highlight the shortcomings of the Rovers fans when it is clear your club suffers with THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM!

BohsPartisan

12/10/2009, 6:02 PM

Dont be so vain as to think its ok to highlight the shortcomings of the Rovers fans when it is clear your club suffers with THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM!

I'm sorry neutral, its not the exact same problem. I don't condone calling someone an Orange b@stard just because they are protestant but Orangism is a political/religious ideology, not an ethnicity. Being called a bigot (though ironic if the person is not a member of the organisation - it makes the people calling it bigots) is not the same as being called sub-human, a member of a species that throws faeces at one another.

SkStu

12/10/2009, 7:15 PM

without evidence to back it up, id suggest you retract that statement. While id say McGuinness was cheered by the Bohs fans i have serious doubts over what you are claiming happened in terms of racial abuse of Boco by Bohs fans. Please post some evidence or retract that statement. I find it hard to believe because from all my experience following Bohs, our fans just dont partake in or condone racism and on the rare occasion when one moron says something they are quickly put in their place.

Bohs fans have never been accused of racism before on this forum in my time here (compared to a number of accusations against Rovers from many other teams fans) and i think you would have mentioned it before now if your story was true.

theneutral

12/10/2009, 9:41 PM

micls

12/10/2009, 9:42 PM

What are the chances that Tom Coughlans non payment of anything he owes could be the title decider?

theneutral

12/10/2009, 9:57 PM

Haha it would sum this league up perfectley this season and the last few for that matter. Off the field issues making more headlines than the football.

I hope Cork get rid of that tyrant ASAP, one of the biggest clubs in this league, its sad to see them in the state they are.

BohsPartisan

12/10/2009, 10:42 PM

Sums it up really, we're not THAT bad, THEY'RE WORSE attitude!

Cheap points scoring is all thats going on here lads, Bohs fans crying outrage and proclaiming themselves the best behaved fans in LOI.

The FAI will deal with it and ill be shocked if its anything more than a fine.

I don't think you're fooling anyone Neutral. Its pretty clear you're a Rovers fan on here as a damage limitation excercise. At every moment you have tried to divert attention away from the real issue here.

I mean this was your first post on the forum. (http://foot.ie/forums/showpost.php?p=1245267&postcount=127)

There is no doubt in ny mind you're a hoop.

Sheridan

12/10/2009, 10:48 PM

I think theneutral is going incognito to avoid breaking The Boycott.

theneutral

12/10/2009, 10:58 PM

I don't think you're fooling anyone Neutral. Its pretty clear you're a Rovers fan on here as a damage limitation excercise. At every moment you have tried to divert attention away from the real issue here.

Yeah thats it Partisan, so the fact that i could be trying to remind you guys not to get so high an mighty about things must make me a rovers fan? At any stage have i said that the scum who made th racist taunts to Ndo were anyhing but scum? My disdain for these sort of people is clear.
All ive ever attempted to do is remind the Bohs ans on here (of which there are many) that they have the exact same probelm with a small minortiy of there fans, just as Rovers do, theer are some real undesirables going around under the guise as supporters of both clubs.

There are genuine hard working people and decent football folk supporting clubs the length and bredth of this country, a few scumbags shouldnt be allowed ruin it for everybody.
Your on here making out like there was hundreds of people in Tallaght last week participating in the racist abuse when it is clear there were not.
Perhaps you should ask Tallaght Gardai or the stewards how many arrests were made as a result of this incident or why nobody was ejected from the ground? Could it be that it happened so quick and involved so few that it was almost impossible to identify the culprits?

Your being awfully arrogant if you think ordinary decent football fans and human beings would sit idly by and allow this sort of thing to happen without saying a word, simply because thats what Rovers fans do!

I honestly dont give two hoots weather you think im a rovers fan or not, if i agreed with what you were saying would i be a bohs fan?
Not trying to divert any attention either, only serving to remind you that for every knacker in green and white last week in Tallaght there was one in red and black on the opposite side! Your ignorance of this fact is shocking!