Ireland and Brazil's starting line ups

[Jon'o]

starting line up on fai.ie

Ireland (probable): Given (Newcastle United); Carr (Tottenham Hotspur), Cunningham (Birmingham City), O’Brien (Newcastle United), O’Shea (Manchester United); McAteer (Sunderland), Kavanagh (Cardiff City), Holland (Charlton Athletic), Kilbane (Everton); Morrison (Birmingham City), Keane (Tottenham Hotspur).

Brazil - Dida (AC Milan); Cafu (AC Milan), Roque Junior (Siena), Lucio (Bayer Leverkusen), Roberto Carlos (Real Madrid); Kleberson (Manchester United), Gilberto Silva (Arsenal), Ze Roberto (Bayern Munich); Ronaldinho (Barcelona), Kaka (AC Milan); Ronaldo (Real Madrid).

[Slash/ED]

is that the team we're picking? If it is, and he's leaving Reid and Delap out for McAteer, Kilbane and Kavanagh then it's a joke. That mid field is f'n awful and we'll be ****ed on, frankly.

[Jon'o]

Originally posted by Slash/ED
is that the team we're picking? If it is, and he's leaving Reid and Delap out for McAteer, Kilbane and Kavanagh then it's a joke. That mid field is f'n awful and we'll be ****ed on, frankly.

just came on line and went to the fai site and that was what was there.... it did have probable next to the ireland like up..... you never know kerr might have converted a brazilian player to play for us?? ;)

[Footie_Fan]

If that is the team we seriously lack flair in midfield. Andy Reid should have been accomodated.

[Declan_Michael]

Can't argue with that lineup. McAteer and Kilbane offer experience. Start throwing in inexperienced players and the Brazilians will embarass us.

Reid and the others deserve a try out against Romania and Czech.

[Slash/ED]

play a woefully inept mid field without a creative bone in their body and we'll be embarassed by the Brazilians.

[Declan_Michael]

Originally posted by Slash/ED
play a woefully inept mid field without a creative bone in their body and we'll be embarassed by the Brazilians.

I appreciate that people want to see new players getting chance. However, tomorrow we play the world champions and experience will count for alot. Jason had a brilliant game for Sunderland on saturday. Kilbane is doing well and at least one fringe player is getting a start (personally I would have went with Delap). Theres no reason why Kerr won't throw Reid on at half time.

We have a small pool of players. A couple of injuries and we are struggling. That is why the players that are believed to be 'past it' (McAteer,Holland et al) will always be able to fill in and do a job for us. The likes of Staunton, Quinn and Cascarino played well into their 30's.

[Slash/ED]

surley you're small pool argument should be used against that selection. We know what McAteer et al can do (not alot, imo), we need Reid to get as many caps as possible. We need to pick our best team, if we keep worrying about experience in feckin friendlys we'll never blood a youngster again and have the same starting 11 for the next 50 years. We had the same experience rubbish used to justify our starting 11 in basle, we were **** then, we'll be **** again tomorrow.

If these old experienced heads weren't good enough then why are they being kept around and being used against a superior team?

[Declan_Michael]

Its because we are playing Brazil that we need experience.

Kerr can field an uncapped XI in the next two games for all I care.

The last thing we want is the young lads losing Morale because they spent 90 minutes in an exhibition with Brazil.

[Slash/ED]

why does it make a difference that we're playing Brazil? Surley, you pick your best team if you want to win the match, which Kerr does. These old gaurd, a good few of them let us down in Basle. It's time for the youngsters and fringe players, who are better imo, to step in. Why persist with players who couldn't get the job done against the Swiss? We heard the very same arguments then, we need experience ect ect and as I said then we would regret it and we did, we'll be absolutley destroyed by Brazil.

[Jon'o]

i think a balanced aproach to the squad is needed, this is not a 'testimonial' game for any of the players and as such while having players with experiance will help this game is not their send off and they shouldnt get longer on the pitch over up and comming players.

i think that the players that kerr has in mind for the next world cup and the younger players should be focused on for games like this. to be fair some current players need to be thinking if they are cut out playing international games for the next few years upto 2006 and after that.

[Declan_Michael]

How do you know the youngsters are better if they only worn the green jersey a couple of times?

Anyway at this rate I'll be asking the FAI for coaching/scouting job. :D

I'll leave it to Brian.

[Slash/ED]

because I've seen them play with my own eyes for our U21s and their club sides and can base my judgement on that, and believe me, they're better.

[Jon'o]

Originally posted by Declan_Michael
Its because we are playing Brazil that we need experience.

Kerr can field an uncapped XI in the next two games for all I care.

The last thing we want is the young lads losing Morale because they spent 90 minutes in an exhibition with Brazil.

as a young player who is breaking into the team what better incentive to work harder or experiance could be gained by playing brazil? playing just a few minuites would do any players morale loads of good.

also the next two games are by no way walk overs so why would we play an uncapped xi? by having a balanced squad we have a chance against any team on the day.

have some more faith in young or inexperianced players they will be taking ireland forward to future world cups and euro championships :cool:

[eirebhoy]

Will everyon calm down. This is not the team that Kerr has named, it is just a few people guessing the lineup like anyone else. Anyway, I don't see a problem with it. There is only two "old heads" in the team that played against the Swizz, Holland and Kilbane. They are both at the best form of their career so definitely deserve a place in the team.

[petef]

Regarding the probable lineup, if Andy Reid the best player by a long shot in the Nationwide cant get starting place then somethings seriously awry.

[Coltron]

Lads what feckin formation are Brasil playin?

Dida in nets, grand

Cafu rb Roque Junior-Lucio cbs Rob Carlos Lb?

Kaka Kelberson Sliva ZeReberto ?

Ronaldo Ronaldino?

If they play like this and the line up would suggest it, that defence is dodgy even against us Cafu is about 90, RJ is playin so bad he wouldnt displace and Iraqi defence, the other two are solid but for a Brasilian defence.

Carr can take care of ZeReberto no prob, Kaka is an excellant prospect but not the finished article although he is playin well but I not sure if he plays rm, Ive seem him play a more central role for Milan. The two Larrys in the middle should give the defence some pretection and shouldnt pose that much of an attacking treath.

We fecked after that! Hopefully Shay will play a stormer, and keep Ronnie in check, or maybe he just mightnt fancy it and get replaced at h/t? Ronaldo is brillant when the pressure is on but in meaningless matchs well only feckin people like Connolly wanna score in them to prove that hes not totally crap.

So maybe we have half a chance in a front of a packed full house.

I could go through our lineup but Ill trying to remain positive, and if I found half as many positives in there as negatives in the Brasilian line up Id be in line for some sort of life time achievment award!

[irwinsalegend]

from what i've heard Andy Reid is going to be starting in the center along side Holland which is the good I think, if Kleberson is half as bad for Brazil as he is for United this season then we have a chance.

[Pogsly]

Kaka and Ronaldinho will roam the pitch with Ronaldo playing the "lone" striker role if you can imagine him doing it .

[SÓC]

Originally posted by Slash/ED
play a woefully inept mid field without a creative bone in their body and we'll be embarassed by the Brazilians.

I expect you've never seen Graham Kavanagh play then.

[BobbyHans]

[/B][/QUOTE] B]why does it make a difference that we're playing Brazil? Surley, you pick your best team if you want to win the match, which Kerr does. These old gaurd, a good few of them let us down in Basle. It's time for the youngsters and fringe players, who are better imo, to step in. Why persist with players who couldn't get the job done against the Swiss? We heard the very same arguments then, we need experience ect ect and as I said then we would regret it and we did, we'll be absolutley destroyed by Brazil. [/QUOTE] [/B]

Total agree, wot good is it playing McAteer + Holland etc they've been there and seen it. And as Slash said they weren't good enough for the swiss. The young lads should play for the experience because we r goin to need it against france. Does it matter if we lose, surely it is better to be prepared for the france game etc. This type of expierence is invaluable to a young player.

:D

[Pogsly]

To be fair Bobby Jasoin Mac is only back after injury and wasn't in Basle. although he is a muppet he is genuine for the cause

[fergalr]

IMHO the Irish starting 11 more or less picks itself.

Shay, Robbie and Kenny - no debate. Matt and Killa walk into the team on the strength of their current premiership form. Carr shades out Finnan. O'Shea despite the form has no competition at left-full. Clinton now getting permiership starts (and the odd goal) gets in - again no real competition

Kav deserves the start after what hapened v Canada. Jason McMuppet edges out the "tried before and never worked" Carsley and Delap. Only real choice is the second centre back. Personally I'd like to see Doherty or Shea (if we could find a left-full). I suspect Kerr sees the choice as between Dunne and O'Brien.

BTW - Brazil now use four at the back -and supposedly play 4-3-2-1 with BFR supported by RonII and Kaka. With Ze Roberto selected, it looks like they should match our 4-4-2 instead.

Can't wait!!!!!!!

[finlma]

What's taking Brian Kerr to announce the team. There's not much point in keeping it a secret from Brazil till just before kick off. I can't see them changing tactics depending on whether its Breen or O'Brien at centre back.

[Falconblade]

Originally posted by Slash/ED
is that the team we're picking? If it is, and he's leaving Reid and Delap out for McAteer, Kilbane and Kavanagh then it's a joke. That mid field is f'n awful and we'll be ****ed on, frankly.

Famous last words?

[Slash/ED]

Originally posted by Falconblade
Famous last words?

so you missed the fact we didn't start with that team then?