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SkStu
20/09/2009, 4:26 PM
:ball::ball::ball:

superb piece by Eamon Sweeney (posted on the bohs mb). I had to post it here for like minded individuals. If there are any other good pieces in the print or online media about supporting your local club they could be put in this thread too.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/the-love-that-dare-not-speak-its-name-1891592.html

From the Sunday Indo

The love that dare not speak its name

By Eamonn Sweeney
Sunday September 20 2009
I fell in love again last week. We've had our ups and downs and there have been times when I've wondered if it's worth the trouble. There have been disappointments, arguments and trial separations. But I've never been able to make the final break. The memories of the good times kept me going.

And on Tuesday night I was reminded why we've stuck together all those years. It's because this relationship has given me some of the best times of my life and because it can still provide the same fireworks as it did when I was a younger man. Logic doesn't apply when you're talking about love. A man in love has no choice. Most fans of what I will always, with apologies to eircom, call the League of Ireland are motivated by love. Domestic soccer has few casual fans because it rarely picks up enough momentum to set a bandwagon rolling. It demands not just your love but your faith, your hope and your charity.

Being a League of Ireland fan is like being a member of some small creed whose adherents make amends for their lack of numbers by fervency and dedication. Its grounds are perhaps the equivalents of those small town gospel halls where members of the Christian Brethren continue to practice their faith, their belief in the truth of what has been revealed to them not one whit lessened by the greater numbers attending other churches.

Sometimes that faith gets rewarded spectacularly, as it did on Tuesday night when I went to The Showgrounds and saw Sligo Rovers beat Bohemians 2-1 in an FAI Cup quarter-final replay. It was a magical night, not least because of the football played by Bohs, for my money the best team the league has seen for a decade. In the first half, with the marvellous double act of Joseph Ndo and Killian Brennan pulling the strings, they outclassed Rovers and should have led by more than 1-0 at the break.

Bohemians are a tribute to the instincts of their manager Pat Fenlon, who passed the ball beautifully as a player and insists that his charges try to follow his lead. Sligo's manager Paul Cook, a man with over 500 appearances in the Football League, is cut from the same cloth. Outclassed they may have been but Sligo tried to make their way back into the game by playing skilful football. Fortune favoured this act of bravery, a flowing move from their own half ended with Conor O'Grady equalising and soon afterwards winger Eoin Doyle struck a great winner. There were miracle escapes, mazy dribbles, last-ditch clearances, juddering tackles, all the stuff you'd need for a perfect night's entertainment. In the end, the league returns your love. It doesn't let you down.

At the same time as I was watching Sligo, the fans of Sporting Fingal saw their team shock Shamrock Rovers, Waterford United travelled to Dublin and knocked out St Pat's and Bray Wanderers made their way into the last four by disposing of Longford Town. Yet fewer Irish football 'fans' saw those matches than saw the more or less pointless, and rather dull, televised Champions League match between Manchester United and Besiktas. The couch potato majority were the big losers on the night.

Love of League of Ireland is the love that dare not speak its name. Or, at the very least, the love that's not supposed to. In these enlightened liberal times, you can parade through the streets in leather hot pants, you can set up home with whoever you want to, you can even confess to voting for Martin Cullen and nobody will bat an eyelid. Mention that you'd prefer to travel to The Showgrounds, Oriel Park or Turners Cross to watch your local team instead of to a pub with a big screen and Bulmers on draught to watch teams from cities you couldn't find on a map, however, and you're treated with the same kind of suspicion encountered by roving Jehovah's Witnesses in 1940s Ireland.

It's not enough for the League of Ireland merely to be ignored, there also seems to be a desire to serially deride it, to sneer at its fans, to recommend that it be liquidated altogether, perhaps so it can be replaced by some newly minted plutocrat-owned franchise which could enter the hallowed world of English soccer. In the Tiger era, this chorus of disapproval reached a crescendo. The League of Ireland was an embarrassment, perhaps because it's hard to imagine anything less Nouveau Riche. Though, in truth, it wasn't very Oldveau Riche either.

Like hare coursing and **** fighting, the very existence of League of Ireland soccer is treated as a personal affront by a sizeable number of people. It is execrated by the barstool Premier League devotee and the GAA supremacist alike.

Perhaps that's because a great many GAA supremacists are also barstool Premier League devotees. It never fails to surprise me that so many men who will wax lyrical till the cows have not only come home but got dressed up and gone out for the evening about the wonders of the little GAA club will also proclaim ad nauseam their attachment to an English soccer team.

Yet, while no one would deny the authenticity at the heart of Gaelic games fandom, there is something deeply shallow about the affection of Irish sports fans for English soccer teams. A minority of men and women spend a lot of time and money making the journey across the water to follow their favourite teams. But I find it difficult to take seriously support for a team based on totally arbitrary criteria.

Why, after all, does the man from Mitchelstown support Manchester United, the lad from Listowel love Liverpool, the chap from Callan cheer for Chelsea? Generally because they noticed that this team won more often than others, or were supported by most of the boys in the class or had a nice-looking geansai. You don't, as the saying goes, choose your club, you inherit it. But while that's true of Gaelic games or League of Ireland soccer, the opposite is true of Irish Premier League fans. They do choose their club and they try to choose one that wins. It's probably an enjoyable pastime but there's nothing genuine about it. Just how shallow this support is was brought home to me when I read an article about the magnificent Irish support apparently enjoyed by Liverpool. The writer informed us that Colm Cooper was "a die-hard Liverpool fan . . . whose big ambition is to one day visit Anfield."

Colm Cooper might be my favourite Gaelic footballer but I'm inclined to doubt the depth of his passion for Liverpool. Getting to Anfield from Killarney is not, after all, like setting out to conquer Mount Everest or walk to the South Pole. I'd be just as sceptical if a man told me he was a die-hard music fan whose big ambition was to one day go to a gig. There are plenty of Irish soccer 'fans' out there whose dedication is of the same order.

By contrast, supporting your local League of Ireland club is a genuine, a good, an honest and a decent thing in a world bedevilled by hype and sophistry. Above all, it is something real. As real as love.

thephotograph@hotmail.com

- Eamonn Sweeney

Hairy Bowsie
20/09/2009, 4:44 PM
Seen it on Shelsweb and a few other forums. It's OK, far from superb and there's a few errors in it, on his part. It's almost like a very condensed version of the book "who stole our game" which was also, just OK.

SkStu
20/09/2009, 4:50 PM
check out Captain Bringdown. :D

BohDiddley
20/09/2009, 4:58 PM
Bravo!

BohDiddley
20/09/2009, 4:59 PM
Seen it on Shelsweb and a few other forums. It's OK, far from superb and there's a few errors in it, on his part. It's almost like a very condensed version of the book "who stole our game" which was also, just OK.

foot.ie's resident LoI self-hater isn't happy. Always a good sign.

Hairy Bowsie
20/09/2009, 5:00 PM
I'm sorry what do you want me to do, say it's the best article i've ever read, rush out and buy 5 copies of his book and get a subscription to the Sunday Indo?

It's just bloody ok. What it is, is a welcome change from all the LOI bashing thats been in the papers recently (and rightly as the league is a shambles at the moment) but just because it is a positive article doesn't mean it's a good one. Nobody told me i had to leave my senses behind when i became a LOI fan :rolleyes:

Hairy Bowsie
20/09/2009, 5:04 PM
foot.ie's resident LoI self-hater isn't happy. Always a good sign.

It's nice to be differnet. I won't toe the "LOI is fantastic and we won't hear a bad word about it" party line for nobody, i'll form my own opinions and you and the majority of the rest of foot.ie can keep fooling yourselves and wallow in your own ignorance

SkStu
20/09/2009, 5:10 PM
It's nice to be differnet.

differnet on the internet.

no use in being contrary for the sake of it HB.

Hairy Bowsie
20/09/2009, 5:12 PM
no use in being contrary for the sake of it HB.

Well i'm not being contrary for the sake of it. It's an average article, that is all.

BohDiddley
20/09/2009, 5:12 PM
get a subscription to the Sunday Indo?

Now, I wouldn't go that far. :D

dong
20/09/2009, 5:33 PM
Sweeney has been a long time supporter of the league and has penned plenty of articles similar to this. He has contributed to the Sligo Rovers programmes also.
He's a good writer and it's always welcome to get a positive spin on things once in a while.

Martinho II
20/09/2009, 5:39 PM
Sweeney has been a long time supporter of the league and has penned plenty of articles similar to this. He has contributed to the Sligo Rovers programmes also.
He's a good writer and it's always welcome to get a positive spin on things once in a while.


Eamonn Sweeney also wrote one of the best loi books about his devotion to Sligo Rovers in the mid nineties... (think it was called theres only one red army). Anything he writes my eyes spark up!hes a legend in my opinion..

Mr A
20/09/2009, 6:00 PM
Sweeney is a good writer, but his tendency not to research what he's doing and make basic errors lets him down.

There's also just something annoying about him.

roversforever
20/09/2009, 6:15 PM
Good article,thought richie sadliers article was good too about how hard it is for young players who move to england at a young age. He gave a good insight into the stuff people don't see etc.

SkStu
20/09/2009, 6:35 PM
its just a good article that captures very well the feeling associated with supporting a LOI team. Who cares if there are inaccuracies, its good to see positive articles about the league in the mainstream media.

Some things are never good enough for posters on here.

cheifo
20/09/2009, 6:47 PM
Wow tough Audience! Really enjoyed the article.Hit the nail on the Head more than once. Be interesting to see if their is any letters from EPL worshippers in response next week.

Acornvilla
20/09/2009, 6:51 PM
i love the loi because its ours not anybody elses and its real football you can watch without paying disgusting amounts of money!!

forza rovers
20/09/2009, 7:00 PM
Eamonn Sweeney also wrote one of the best loi books about his devotion to Sligo Rovers in the mid nineties... (think it was called theres only one red army). Anything he writes my eyes spark up!hes a legend in my opinion..
thats the one.

thischarmingman
20/09/2009, 7:54 PM
If there are any other good pieces in the print or online media about supporting your local club they could be put in this thread too.


Top idea.

Acornvilla
20/09/2009, 8:11 PM
you want a good football article read one f in longford!

dong
20/09/2009, 8:34 PM
i love the loi because its ours not anybody elses and its real football you can watch without paying disgusting amounts of money!!

You've obviously never been in the Jodi Stand.;)

centre mid
20/09/2009, 8:55 PM
Its a nice piece, a little bit smug maybe, but I like it.

wedwood
20/09/2009, 10:44 PM
i love the loi because its ours not anybody elses and its real football you can watch without paying disgusting amounts of money!!

Well said, there's nothing compares to going to your local club and shouting your head off at both teams for a couple of hours.

The smell of cut grass, the waft of burgers, the floodlights switching on, picking your favourite spot in the ground, the noise of the crowds, the drums beating, the giant flags waving, reading the programme, the chants, kick off, the banter, when your team scores - YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!.

You dont just watch the match, you're part of the match.

No comparison to sitting in a pub watching a television showing an English Premier League match on Sky, pretending you're there.

Magicme
20/09/2009, 11:32 PM
Beautifully put Wedwood. Was watching Steve Bruce on Soccer AM yesterday and he said that what he loved most about the game was the hotdogs, I wonder if we could entice him to KCP with the lure of the Mondogs?

It is the little things that combine to make it magic, the smells, the familiar faces, the sounds, people getting in your way at a crucial bit, the pure joy when you win and the gutwrenching feeling when your team have been useless.

I have long said my favourite smells are the mixture of fresh cut grass, deep heat & fresh sweat, they scream match day for me. A wiff of any of them and I am in KCP greedily swallowing every sensation that matchday brings.

Bliss. I'm gutted I am working Friday night and wont get my fix this week.

Rovers1
20/09/2009, 11:34 PM
I'm gutted I am working Friday night and wont get my fix this week.

I'm in the same boat... damm the neccesity to work, to earn money, to live :mad:

Dunny
20/09/2009, 11:38 PM
Delighted to have a home game on Friday, even though it's against Galway, I can't wait..:D

marinobohs
21/09/2009, 2:17 PM
I'm sorry what do you want me to do, say it's the best article i've ever read, rush out and buy 5 copies of his book and get a subscription to the Sunday Indo?

It's just bloody ok. What it is, is a welcome change from all the LOI bashing thats been in the papers recently (and rightly as the league is a shambles at the moment) but just because it is a positive article doesn't mean it's a good one. Nobody told me i had to leave my senses behind when i became a LOI fan :rolleyes:

then I am afraid you were sadly misinformed ;) leaving your senses behind is a basic tenet of the beautiful game (Irish style)

Martinho II
21/09/2009, 6:50 PM
you want a good football article read one f in longford!

good call .. ifs one f in longford part of your past its also part of your future.. eleven issues so far and counting!:D

Acornvilla
21/09/2009, 10:41 PM
i wrote an article in this years one!

Murfinator
22/09/2009, 12:08 PM
It was going great until it had to mention those 3 dreaded words in a LOI context.

"English"
"GAA"
"barstooler"

:rolleyes:

Dillonman
22/09/2009, 12:14 PM
Well said, there's nothing compares to going to your local club and shouting your head off at both teams for a couple of hours.

The smell of cut grass, the waft of burgers, the floodlights switching on, picking your favourite spot in the ground, the noise of the crowds, the drums beating, the giant flags waving, reading the programme, the chants, kick off, the banter, when your team scores - YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!.

You dont just watch the match, you're part of the match.

No comparison to sitting in a pub watching a television showing an English Premier League match on Sky, pretending you're there.

haha!!:D

oriel
22/09/2009, 12:19 PM
I thought it was a great article by Sweeney, so refreshing to read this on Sunday with what looked like no escape from most other media's bandwagon jumping on to 'super sunday'

That book he wrote 'only one red army' was superb.

pineapple stu
22/09/2009, 12:21 PM
It was going great until it had to mention those 3 dreaded words in a LOI context.

"English"
"GAA"
"barstooler"

:rolleyes:
You're the only one who mentioned "GAA".

LoI fans' attitudes towards barstoolers are well documented, and you certainly won't be convincing anyone that they're wrong.

CarrickFan
22/09/2009, 12:33 PM
Had'nt seen Mr.Sweeny write about the LOI or his beloved Rovers in a long time..seemed to be an authority on another sport these days..then we beat the Double Winners and get to a cup semi and he's back all of a sudden!!!

marinobohs
22/09/2009, 1:32 PM
Had'nt seen Mr.Sweeny write about the LOI or his beloved Rovers in a long time..seemed to be an authority on another sport these days..then we beat the Double Winners and get to a cup semi and he's back all of a sudden!!!

Jeeeeeeeez at Dalymount we claim "Bohs - born to moan" but we have NOTHING on Sligo fans :)
Seem to recall that Mr Sweeney referred to Bohs pessimistic outlook in his excellent/ very good / awful (delete as appropriate) book on following Sligo. For my tuppence worth it was an excellent read by the way.

CarrickFan
22/09/2009, 2:11 PM
Jeeeeeeeez at Dalymount we claim "Bohs - born to moan" but we have NOTHING on Sligo fans :)
Seem to recall that Mr Sweeney referred to Bohs pessimistic outlook in his excellent/ very good / awful (delete as appropriate) book on following Sligo. For my tuppence worth it was an excellent read by the way.

Ha ha...not moaning at all!!...just making an observation..anytime i saw an article in the Indo he had written lately it was about G football or Hurling....his book was indeed a great read.

Mayo Red
22/09/2009, 2:29 PM
Ha ha...not moaning at all!!...just making an observation..anytime i saw an article in the Indo he had written lately it was about G football or Hurling....his book was indeed a great read.

Ya I noticed that aswell, he seemed to have gone over to the dark side in recent years, even writing several books on the Gaaah!! A shame after the excellent There's Only One Red Army!!:confused::D

BohDiddley
22/09/2009, 2:31 PM
Ha ha...not moaning at all!!...just making an observation..anytime i saw an article in the Indo he had written lately it was about G football or Hurling....his book was indeed a great read.
If I needed to make a living from sports writing so that I could indulge in a LoI article once in a blue moon, I also would cultivate a keen interest in Gaelic, rugby, racing, and of course ploughing.

marinobohs
23/09/2009, 1:39 PM
If I needed to make a living from sports writing so that I could indulge in a LoI article once in a blue moon, I also would cultivate a keen interest in Gaelic, rugby, racing, and of course ploughing.

...... kissing babies, bailing out banks, picking up brown envelopes ooooops wrong profession :D (although sports "writing" for the News of the World does fit in).

Redie
24/09/2009, 9:07 AM
From the Article......

It's not enough for the League of Ireland merely to be ignored, there also seems to be a desire to serially deride it, to sneer at its fans, to recommend that it be liquidated altogether, perhaps so it can be replaced by some newly minted plutocrat-owned franchise which could enter the hallowed world of English soccer. In the Tiger era, this chorus of disapproval reached a crescendo. The League of Ireland was an embarrassment, perhaps because it's hard to imagine anything less Nouveau Riche. Though, in truth, it wasn't very Oldveau Riche either.

A philosophy that The Sunday Independent is a leading exponent of.

Rovers1
24/09/2009, 4:18 PM
We studied this piece today in college... never noticed the line "I'd be just as sceptical if a man told me he was a die-hard music fan whose big ambition was to one day go to a gig".. Brilliant! :D