Development of The Carlisle.....

[Green&whitearmy]

An article on the front of the bray people today says the club are looking to develop the ground and build shops and a large supermarket in it????

Can anyone on here shed any light on the matter????

it would be great for the club to upgrade the grounds, it badly needs it......

[peadar1987]

An article on the front of the bray people today says the club are looking to develop the ground and build shops and a large supermarket in it????

Can anyone on here shed any light on the matter????

it would be great for the club to upgrade the grounds, it badly needs it......

It depends what they mean by "develop". It often means "build on", which would mean Wanderers would have to relocate to somewhere else.

The DART is one of the biggest things we have going for us right now, and is an aspect of the club I'd like to see marketed more. We're the local club along the DART line as far in as about Blackrock, and it's something we haven't exploited enough. The only half-decent alternative would be if it was somewhere along the new Luas line, to the north of the town.

On the other hand, if it means building shops and things down the Dargle end of the ground, getting in a bit of revenue, and getting people into the ground, even if it's not for football, that can only be good for the club.

[Seagull]

Looks like pie-in-the-sky stuff to me. Hannigan was there when the proposals for development of the Dart side of the ground were being drawn up and look what came of that. This looks like a relocation proposal and I for one would be completely against that...

[thedoyler]

It's nothing of the sort from what I hear, infact it would consolidate our position down there. The pitch would be moved from where it is now about 20 yards further from Bray bowl towards Dublin. Shops would be built where the hill and current 6 yard box are now with bray receiving some/all of the rent from the units. New facilities would be built by the people who want to rent the units at the ground and Bray wouldnt have to pay a penny. Does sound too good to be true and yes the plans before never came about but from what I know a huge international company wants this space to set up in bray and are willing to pay all costs.

[BrayUnknowns]

Another nice article this week on teh proposed stadium development in the Wicklow Times, nice graphic of what it would like as well.

[Mr A]

Linky: http://www.braypeople.ie/news/seagulls-soar-with-euro5m-plan-1890879.html

[BrayUnknowns]

Linky: http://www.braypeople.ie/news/seagulls-soar-with-euro5m-plan-1890879.html

That was last weeks Bray People. There is a longer article with proposed design in this weeks Wicklow Times, no online link as of yet.

[centre mid]

I couldnt see any proposals or applications on the wicklow cc planning site so presume this is pie in the sky for the moment.

[Roo69]

I couldnt see any proposals or applications on the wicklow cc planning site so presume this is pie in the sky for the moment.

Saw the article myself, looked great, lovely design, layout etc... By the looks of it the pitch is going to be at an angle to what it currently is and i think it said the application was being logged next week ?

[centre mid]

Saw the article myself, looked great, lovely design, layout etc... By the looks of it the pitch is going to be at an angle to what it currently is and i think it said the application was being logged next week ?

Its in the North Wicklow Times this week, yeah looks like the Aluminium stand will be turned at an angle and the Dart side stand will have to be rebuilt ? looks like the pitch is turned at an angle with the notthwest corner staying where it is (if that makes sense).

Cant see planning being a problem as several redevelopments have been approved on the site before. The whole end of the town could do with a face lift tbh.

Just hope there is an appetite for this development and that an improvement in facilites will bring people in the gate, maybe the model of tallaght stadium will be a way forward.

[peadar1987]

This is a great show of ambition by the club, and could really put us on the map. Shams have shown other clubs the way, and I hope Bray can follow their example.

[Green&whitearmy]

it says in the paper it will bring the capacity up to 3500, i think this is a bit low, what do other people think about the capacity?

It looks very good though and if it gets the go ahead it will be very good for the club...

[Acornvilla]

well do ye need a biger place??

[footballplease]

Are you people serious? It looks woeful. The club have pretty much a blank canvass and this little joke of a place is all they can come up with? From what i can see, that circus tent with it's million obstructing poles is the only roof in the whole place. The Dart-side now looks to have an uncovered stand - again! Are they finally going to put the dug-outs below the viewing line of the first few rows?

[BrayUnknowns]

Are you people serious? It looks woeful. The club have pretty much a blank canvass and this little joke of a place is all they can come up with? From what i can see, that circus tent with it's million obstructing poles is the only roof in the whole place. The Dart-side now looks to have an uncovered stand - again! Are they finally going to put the dug-outs below the viewing line of the first few rows?


There is a much better picture on the home page of the clubs website (http://www.braywanderers.ie/) now. Looks like there is only one covered stand but it will be a brand new stand built with changing rooms, press area, tv gantry in it. The rest of it look uncovered which is very disappointing if im being honest. but it still looks very impressive to what we have a present.

[centre mid]

well do ye need a biger place??

I think it more to do with the benfit the club can get from the development.

[Grey Boy]

Looking at the picture on the website, looks like the capacity will be seriously reduced. Does anyone know how many people the stand is meant to hold? There looks like there is no room for improvement down the line either. Mind you anything that benefits the club...

[Joe Strummer]

http://www.braywanderers.ie/typo3temp/pics/86f0b00298.jpg

Whats the capacity going to be?? By the looks of that picture it looks like hit will hold no more that 2000

[Roo69]

http://www.braywanderers.ie/typo3temp/pics/86f0b00298.jpg

Whats the capacity going to be?? By the looks of that picture it looks like hit will hold no more that 2000

Capacity going to be 3500 when revamped, at present it holds 4500 safely as far as i know, which even when we played Leeds didn't reach that much. 3,500 is more than enough for our needs i think. Our biggest League gate in recent years was against Shamrock Rovers on good Friday about 3 years ago, the place was jammers and there was only 3,000 at it.

[KK77]

[QUOTE=Green&whitearmy;1237473]it says in the paper it will bring the capacity up to 3500, i think this is a bit low, what do other people think about the capacity?

Being honest the club will not fill 3500 for games bar the odd one or two so no point in having any more than 3500 imo.

[Roo69]

[QUOTE=Green&whitearmy;1237473]it says in the paper it will bring the capacity up to 3500, i think this is a bit low, what do other people think about the capacity?

Being honest the club will not fill 3500 for games bar the odd one or two so no point in having any more than 3500 imo.

Totally agreed with that, no point in havinga 6 or 7 thousand all seater, not a hope in hell of filling it every week. If we could fill 3500 every home game im sure the club would be just delighted !

Anyway, if crowds do ever out number seats there looks to be room to extend at the car park end so there is scope for future development

[dublinwanderer]

[QUOTE=Rafa B;1238384]

Totally agreed with that, no point in havinga 6 or 7 thousand all seater, not a hope in hell of filling it every week. If we could fill 3500 every home game im sure the club would be just delighted !

Anyway, if crowds do ever out number seats there looks to be room to extend at the car park end so there is scope for future development

Roo, is it all-seater stadium? hard to make it out. Also will there be only one covered stand? i really hope not!!!
Agree about the attendances and the capacity of the stadium, but with having a small car park down the training pitch end at least there is room to expand if ever needed. also dont like seeing the camera gantry on the main stand. would much prefer the camera to face the main stand!

[chippydevlin]

The Plans for the pitch aren't as detailed because the club are concentrating on getting the plans for the Shopping development passed firstly. So I wouldn't be looking too much into the picture of the model.

The TV Gantry will always be on the side that it is on and will always be facing the home stand. This is standard practice in Leagues worldwide. Maybe the modelmaker isn't too big into his football!

Obviously they are thinking of getting rid of the circus stand and getting in a more permanent structure and also the way forward for all new stadiums would be to go to an all seater alternative, all covered.

[notever]

Capacity going to be 3500 when revamped, at present it holds 4500 safely as far as i know, which even when we played Leeds didn't reach that much. 3,500 is more than enough for our needs i think. Our biggest League gate in recent years was against Shamrock Rovers on good Friday about 3 years ago, the place was jammers and there was only 3,000 at it.

The capacity looks a little light but beggars cannot be choosers and anything that improves facilities has got to be welcomed.The Club don't seem to have the money to do anything themselves so if they can get somebody to do it, great.We just cannot stay the way we are as the ground is fallng down around us it looks so delapidated.It wil be good for the Town and for us supporters but when will it happen, does anybody have a time scale for it?

[Green&whitearmy]

I no what you mean we dont need more than 3500 because we dont get the crowds, but would it not be better having more if we need, is not better then having it there rather than wanting it built in the future..

Whats there to say if we get a nice new ground it wont be full everyweek like rovers, there crowds were shocking until they got a new ground and it would be great to have a decent capacity for underage internationals and high profile friendly games.

I know the picture on here does not represent the stadium side of things just the retail outlets and I wonder should it all be planned out from the start with everything involved..

[peadar1987]

Ideally I'd want a capacity of about 4000 with potential for expansion. We're not going to expand the fan-base if we only have capacity for the same 1000 odd people who turn up every week as it is. Obviously we don't need a 30 000 all-seater with an on-site casino to indulge Dave O'Neill's high-rolling gambling addiction, but I'd like to have a compact stadium to which people could take their friends, buy some decent food, and have a good evening out, without being rained on or having a wall fall on them.

[thedoyler]

I hope it's done right and if completed is focused more on the sporting side of things than the retail. I realise the current model doesn't represent the stadium as it will look like, there would be no point in doint the development if that was the case. I think 3,500 covered seats is perfect as it covers the minimum requirement to play games in european qualifying rounds, but it must be ensured they are covered otherwise it'd be silly to fall just short of whats needed. Any idea when a plan of the ground will be available? I think this development is necessary where else in a recession could we get the funds to do something like this, but we as the fans must ensure the club is looked after.

[KK77]

The way results are going we'd be lucky to get 300 in never mind 3500:(

[naoise kennedy]

Ideally I'd want a capacity of about 4000 with potential for expansion. We're not going to expand the fan-base if we only have capacity for the same 1000 odd people who turn up every week as it is. Obviously we don't need a 30 000 all-seater with an on-site casino to indulge Dave O'Neill's high-rolling gambling addiction, but I'd like to have a compact stadium to which people could take their friends, buy some decent food, and have a good evening out, without being rained on or having a wall fall on them.


How about a team that can play football instead of that crap we saw again last night....

[Hulsey]

Hopefully if anything comes from this the first thing they do is move the floodlights behind the stand. The things are a fcuking curse

[Weatherman]

Last time we heard any of this, a few seats got taken out over the dart station side and that was it! i mean what about the stand that was ment to be in the shape of a seagulls wings and so on??? Its only a glorified marquee at best, dressing rooms over the far side aswell??? personally i wouldnt be getting your hopes up folks!

[Seagull]

Last time we heard any of this, a few seats got taken out over the dart station side and that was it! i mean what about the stand that was ment to be in the shape of a seagulls wings and so on??? Its only a glorified marquee at best, dressing rooms over the far side aswell??? personally i wouldnt be getting your hopes up folks!

Exactly, there's a lovely scale model of that 'development' gathering dust down there already...

[chippydevlin]

http://www.braywanderers.ie/typo3temp/pics/973385e2f0.jpg