Refs looking for Pay Rise [Archive]

TopperHarley

03/09/2009, 10:06 AM

lads what ye think they get 50e a game most of them are poor and there looking for more money what a joke if they strike why dont we just not turn up for games also:D
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I think they deserve it honestly,watching a few games recently and the abuse i saw the ref get was uncalled for

leather

03/09/2009, 10:07 AM

dared

03/09/2009, 10:10 AM

lads what ye think they get 50e a game most of them are poor and there looking for more money what a joke if they strike why dont we just not turn up for games also:D
There looking for another pay rise? Didnt they just get one? I have no problem with them getting paid fairly but what about the ones who stand in the centre circle and make there dicisions from there. They're the ones who dont deserve to be paid. :mad:

booster 03

03/09/2009, 11:22 AM

There looking for another pay rise? Didnt they just get one? I have no problem with them getting paid fairly but what about the ones who stand in the centre circle and make there dicisions from there. They're the ones who dont deserve to be paid. :mad:

shockin thing is.. they'l probably get whatever they ask for, cos they'l hold the entire league to ransom by striking!! :mad:

whistleblower

03/09/2009, 11:42 AM

leather

03/09/2009, 12:13 PM

how is holding the game too ransom "in the spirit of the game"

The Dark Knight

03/09/2009, 12:34 PM

Just a question, how much do you think a ref is worth?

Have you ever met a referee who did it because he/she enjoyed it and not because of the money?

I know of a referee who did not accept a fee because he said the pitch was unplayable - thats is in the sprit of the game.

Fairkop

03/09/2009, 12:38 PM

I'm not sure it is fair to tar all refs with one brush. Most work very hard and are very good. I think what refs are looking for is equality with other refs across the country who are getting paid more per game. Of course, I would agree that the recession should play a big part in any such talk. Everyone is feeling the pinch, some more than others, and I would agree that this is not the time to be looking for fee increases. That said, the branch must act as it sees fit for all refs, in the spirit of the game.

Clubs are holding fundraisers just to keep up with your pay demands.
Benchmarking is what shagged up this country and now you want to dig it up again.You are being well looked after between fees and travel expenses and clubs are being roasted for it in these tough times.

whistleblower

03/09/2009, 12:47 PM

You seem to have read the bits you chose to and ignored the true sense of my message - read it again - I am not for holding anyone for ransom, the reason I, and most other referees are in refereeing is to stay in the game, to give something to it. I for one do not agree with seeking a fee increase, and will say so, but my point is to highlight why the fees are an issue, and to state that not all refs should be seen to agree with this issue, but as a unit, we must agree to whatever the consensus is, as you would do in any walk of life or club matter.

Clubs are holding fundraisers just to keep up with your pay demands.
Benchmarking is what shagged up this country and now you want to dig it up again.You are being well looked after between fees and travel expenses and clubs are being roasted for it in these tough times.

hoops12

03/09/2009, 12:59 PM

If this is true, it just about sums up the majority of ref's in limerick. a lot of clubs finding it hard to even pay the current fees, a lot of players getting P45's every week and the only group actually getting paid are looking for more..SHAME ON YOU...If any ref would like to comment, they would be more than welcome..

agree,let them strike form a few weeks im sure when they start getting hit in the pocket they will come running back for their few quid,most of them are doing it as a second income so how dare they look for more when clubs are on their feet financially as it is

Limeref

03/09/2009, 3:20 PM

Just so you know, it's

€42 for a match outside Premier;
€48 for a Premier match

If the ground is more than 25 miles for the city, we get, i think, €0.72c a mile - not a lot of money when you consider what we put up with and the amount of time spent.

First

03/09/2009, 3:36 PM

€32 per hour for Prem plus travel costs , min €18
€28 per hour for games outside Prem plus travel costs , min €18.

Good rates in any job.
As for travel expenses not everyone will get these for going to and from work.

Presuming that you are paying tax on this earning it is still a good hourly rate.

the dazzler

03/09/2009, 3:42 PM

k,o driscoll,m,kiely m weldon,t meagher f,o neill j curran you telling me they deserve a rise they dont even break a swet reffing a game:)

referee

03/09/2009, 3:46 PM

Just so you know, it's

€42 for a match outside Premier;
€48 for a Premier match

not a lot of money when you consider what we put up with and the amount of time spent.

I think it is a fair amount of money, and i think its the referee fault for what they have to put up with.
If you make a bad decision hold your hand up and say sorry my mistake instead of trying to cover it up. You wil get alot more respect from players/managers.
If a ref gets abuse from players or managers give one warning then after that take action ie yellow card and keep booking players for this for the rest of the game(this does not include a player coming up asking a ref what a decision was for). Eventually IF the players are smart enough it wil stop all this bitching and abuse.

Limeref

03/09/2009, 3:49 PM

�32 per hour for Prem plus travel costs , min �18
�28 per hour for games outside Prem plus travel costs , min �18.

Good rates in any job.
As for travel expenses not everyone will get these for going to and from work.

Presuming that you are paying tax on this earning it is still a good hourly rate.

You forget, who inspects the pitches, checks players gear, travels to and from games, writes the reports after these all take time.

Also when people go to work, it�s for eight hours so the travel time is negligible. If a referee lives in Herbertstown and has to travel to the city, he gets no more than the standard fee.

Each game takes up a half day for a referee, if I was to do two games, I leave my house at 9.15am and don't get home until between 4 - 4.30pm with no break (I'm moving from one pitch to another) for �84-�90.

Then I have to write reports, so it�s more like �11-�12 an hour.

Limeref

03/09/2009, 3:55 PM

I think it is a fair amount of money, and i think its the referee fault for what they have to put up with.
If you make a bad decision hold your hand up and say sorry my mistake instead of trying to cover it up. You wil get alot more respect from players/managers.
If a ref gets abuse from players or managers give one warning then after that take action ie yellow card and keep booking players for this for the rest of the game. Eventually IF the players are smart enough it wil stop all this bitching and abuse.

How is it the referees fault?

In the past I've admitted my mistakes, it dosen't stop players having a go. Some clubs use it as a stick to have a go the next time they think you've made a mistake. A lot of players and managers don't know the Laws and this is what causes a lot of the problems.

Treaty Gooner

03/09/2009, 3:58 PM

If you make a bad decision hold your hand up and say sorry my mistake instead of trying to cover it up. You wil get alot more respect from players/managers.
If a ref gets abuse from players or managers give one warning then after that take action ie yellow card and keep booking players for this for the rest of the game(this does not include a player coming up asking a ref what a decision was for). Eventually IF the players are smart enough it wil stop all this bitching and abuse.

The part in bold is insane, I've seen refs from schoolboy level up to league of ireland level that have done this and still gotten dogs abuse from managers, subs and supporters. Mistakes happen and they're very hard to accept whether the ref owns up or not. NOTHING will change this though.

The underlined part is a very good idea but needs to be ratified at national level, or at least applied for by the LDMC to be piloted in Limerick. And we all know how much those lads love change...

Fairkop

03/09/2009, 4:03 PM

How is it the referees fault?

In the past I've admitted my mistakes, it dosen't stop players having a go. Some clubs use it as a stick to have a go the next time they think you've made a mistake. A lot of players and managers don't know the Laws and this is what causes a lot of the problems.

This has nothing to do with the laws as you say,it is about their inability to get even a basic decision right that frustrates players and supporters.
Very few refs handle situations without resorting to flashing cards.
A lot of them would want to relax their attitudes as the uniform tends to go to their heads.

referee

03/09/2009, 4:07 PM

The part in bold is insane, I've seen refs from schoolboy level up to league of ireland level that have done this and still gotten dogs abuse from managers, subs and supporters. Mistakes happen and they're very hard to accept whether the ref owns up or not. NOTHING will change this though.

The underlined part is a very good idea but needs to be ratified at national level, or at least applied for by the LDMC to be piloted in Limerick. And we all know how much those lads love change...

The abuse will stop from players and managers if you keep booking them that is the only way to stop it. As for the suppoters nothing much can be done there

referee

03/09/2009, 4:15 PM

This has nothing to do with the laws as you say,it is about their inability to get even a basic decision right that frustrates players and supporters.
Very few refs handle situations without resorting to flashing cards.
A lot of them would want to relax their attitudes as the uniform tends to go to their heads.

I agree with the underlined but just because a ref makes a mistake and a player is frustrated it doesnt give him the right to abuse the ref. If you speak nicely to the ref he should respond in the same manor(i know in some cases this dosent happen which isnt right) and tell you why he gave the decision in the first place.

MeathDrog

03/09/2009, 4:22 PM

Slightly off topic, but my reffing career starts this week. I'm reffing 2 schoolboy matches on Saturday, and I'm getting €24 per game, which isn't bad.

the 12 th man

03/09/2009, 4:32 PM

Lads,keep this thread civil or you'll be booted out of it and/or the thread closed.

trueview6

03/09/2009, 4:57 PM

I agree with the underlined but just because a ref makes a mistake and a player is frustrated it doesnt give him the right to abuse the ref. If you speak nicely to the ref he should respond in the same manor(i know in some cases this dosent happen which isnt right) and tell you why he gave the decision in the first place.
I Have to say looking for a raise is crazy i have no doubt its a thank less job , some refs have two holidays a year with the money they get a thats fair enough they deserve it but waiting till the season starts and then look for more money is way over the top.

trueview6

03/09/2009, 4:58 PM

lads what ye think they get 50e a game most of them are poor and there looking for more money what a joke if they strike why dont we just not turn up for games also:D
like the creast are you enjoying it

Lev Yashin

03/09/2009, 5:40 PM

I Have to say looking for a raise is crazy i have no doubt its a thank less job , some refs have two holidays a year with the money they get a thats fair enough they deserve it but waiting till the season starts and then look for more money is way over the top.

Have to agree..surely this could have been sorted pre-season......

no17 fan

03/09/2009, 6:11 PM

Have to agree..surely this could have been sorted pre-season......

no chance,you can't hold people to ransom when they dont need you..

I wouldn't be against giving refs a payrise with conditions,

there are plenty of x refs around town and a lot of these guys travel to matches, some of these x refs should be asked to go and asses refs performances and managent of the games.This might lead to an improvement is standards in the long run,

The refs who are constantly wrecking games or who are constantly being reported should be assesed more frequently,

abbeyvale

03/09/2009, 8:57 PM

The abuse will stop from players and managers if you keep booking them that is the only way to stop it. As for the suppoters nothing much can be done there

If a ref does his job properly, then he will not receive any abuse, some of the decisions made (or lack of) brings on the abuse.

The top refs in town very rarley receive abuse..........mainly because they get the majority of the calls correct.

Soccer Lover

03/09/2009, 9:23 PM

pimpong

03/09/2009, 9:28 PM

And they are who:rolleyes:
mcann,broe,quaid by a mile

mogus

03/09/2009, 9:30 PM

give them no more money. they will be back soon enough. some of them rely on this money and they will have to come back. the longer the strike goes on the better the weather will get.

Jock MIB

03/09/2009, 10:09 PM

So whistleblower you need not have worried about disagreeing with increased fees it as it wasn't even on the agenda but we are grateful for the P.R.O work you decided to do on here...

to fairkop :mad: i wouldn't call my worst enemy leeches you show so much disrespect to referee's by calling us that and should be ashamed of yourself... and to all others who have said similar, theamount of crap and abuse you give is unreal grow up for god sake

thats my two pence said :mad:

Easy Easy

03/09/2009, 10:17 PM

If a ref does his job properly, then he will not receive any abuse, some of the decisions made (or lack of) brings on the abuse
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You do realise that there are 2 teams on the pitch?
Iv seen and played in games where making the correct call still gets the ref dogs abuse!!
Its NEVER gonna be as simple as doing the job properly!!

celticlads

03/09/2009, 10:44 PM

The ref for our game at the weekend was 80euro,what is the standard fee?

Jock MIB

04/09/2009, 7:06 AM

The ref for our game at the weekend was 80euro,what is the standard fee?

i am in wrong league then :D where do i send my cv

hula4

04/09/2009, 7:34 AM

If a ref does his job properly, then he will not receive any abuse, some of the decisions made (or lack of) brings on the abuse.

The top refs in town very rarley receive abuse..........mainly because they get the majority of the calls correct.

nonsense, every ref gets abuse regardless of whether he is right or wrong, the club i play for our manager is unbelievable! debates every decision no matter what it is or how obviously correct the ref is. and if the linesman is at our end god help him, he wont get a break for 90 minutes!

now i dont agree with that behaviour myself, especially from a manager but he is never going to change, its just the way he is.

I also dont think the referees should get more money, but i do think a conscious effort should be made by all of us to make it easier for referees, less "cheating", less arguing with decisions, appreciate that they have a tough job, at the end of the day at this level we are only playing for enjoyment, no matter how much we all want to win

First

04/09/2009, 8:02 AM

You forget, who inspects the pitches, checks players gear, travels to and from games, writes the reports after these all take time.

Also when people go to work, it’s for eight hours so the travel time is negligible. If a referee lives in Herbertstown and has to travel to the city, he gets no more than the standard fee.

Each game takes up a half day for a referee, if I was to do two games, I leave my house at 9.15am and don't get home until between 4 - 4.30pm with no break (I'm moving from one pitch to another) for €84-€90.

Then I have to write reports, so it’s more like €11-€12 an hour.

€12.85 p/h give or take . €4.20 above the minimum wage. If you are to take this relative to a full weeks wage it is an earning of €501 p/w. ( Not taking into tax )

Tell this to the players that you are officiating over each week , many who will have taken wage cuts or lost their jobs because the country is in recession. No sympathy here and having the excuse that you have to take abuse as an argument for a pay hike, try taking that argument into any other employer and see how far you would get with it.

As in most jobs you should be rewarded by performance.

leather

04/09/2009, 8:17 AM

i am in wrong league then :D where do i send my cv
I have been saying that for ages....

dared

04/09/2009, 8:18 AM

�12.85 p/h give or take . �4.20 above the minimum wage. If you are to take this relative to a full weeks wage it is an earning of �501 p/w. ( Not taking into tax )

Tell this to the players that you are officiating over each week , many who will have taken wage cuts or lost their jobs because the country is in recession. No sympathy here and having the excuse that you have to take abuse as an argument for a pay hike, try taking that argument into any other employer and see how far you would get with it.

As in most jobs you should be rewarded by performance.
Well said...

francesco_1

04/09/2009, 8:22 AM

dines08

04/09/2009, 8:54 AM

Already this season at a Premier match a referee standing on the sideline watching the game was given abuse because the ref actually reffing the game made a few bad calls. The abuse the refs have to put up with is unreal and no money is worth it.

celticlads

04/09/2009, 9:01 AM

i am in wrong league then :D where do i send my cv
CV to NORTHTIPP where any average ref would be a huge improvement on what we have.Trust me i've been to some games in both south tipp and limerick ye have good refs there or else ours are worst than i thought:D

The Ref

04/09/2009, 9:47 AM

I've just been reading through this.

The referees fee is made up of two things

A match fee - �24
An Urban Allowance of �18 or if the round trips is greater than 25 miles, 72c per mile.

In Dublin the trip always starts from the GPO.

The match fee is for time traveling to and from the match, refereeing the match, etc

The allowance is for out of pocket expences, petrol, insurance, car tax etc. Similar to what I get if I'm call in work and have to leave the office.

It normally takes me between 3.5 - 4.5 hours between leaving the house and getting home. So that works out at �5.33 to �6.85 per hour for the match fee.

kingofkillteely

04/09/2009, 10:28 AM

mcann,broe,quaid by a mile

Not to mention Mr Offside JockMIB;)

Jock MIB

04/09/2009, 10:28 AM

CV to NORTHTIPP where any average ref would be a huge improvement on what we have.Trust me i've been to some games in both south tipp and limerick ye have good refs there or else ours are worst than i thought:D

Very tempting as i work in Nenagh but i would miss the Limerick Banter too much :D:D

the 12 th man

04/09/2009, 12:07 PM

they did this in clare league..they brought in an accessor and I think the standard has improved..i think its hard for a ref to accept criticism on the pitch as it shows a weakness in front of other players..which in fairness wether its right or wrong nobody likes to show weaknesses..its easier for a ref to sit down afterwards with the accessor and trash out little things that might be wrong.just like a manager does with players..its a thankless job!!! ball at one end of pitch gets kicked down the other side and your meant to be able to call offside.and then you get abuse if you dont and abuse if you do...while i thing they get paid well..its easy be critical when your not doing it..if the do get a raise it should be capped for say the next 3 years or something like that..you will always have refs in it for the money but the majority are ex players who love the game..

Great post hacker,it's not for the money for the vast majority of refs I've met,there'd be a que of people waiting to do the refs courses it that was the case.We need younger,fitter men to get involved in the game also,but the level of abuse is a serious deterrent to younger guys as they might know some of the players of their own age group.

referee

04/09/2009, 12:24 PM

Not to mention Mr Offside JockMIB;)

McCann is JOCK MIB

referee

04/09/2009, 12:33 PM

As in most jobs you should be rewarded by performance.

Referees jobs are tough but like all jobs should rewarded by performances. If a ref is doing well then reward him with a pay rise. This will make the standard of reffing better. Abviously everyone would like a pay rise so this will encourage all to better themselves. For this to happen a referees asseser would have to be appointed.

Rob67

04/09/2009, 12:36 PM

k,o driscoll,m,kiely m weldon,t meagher f,o neill j curran you telling me they deserve a rise they dont even break a swet reffing a game:)

Ya these are the ones i would have said aswell. One of them turned up to a match i was at on sunday and he wasn't even down to ref it. He had to speed off to the game he should have been at. And they want more money????

Limeref

04/09/2009, 12:49 PM

Referees jobs are tough but like all jobs should rewarded by performances. If a ref is doing well then reward him with a pay rise. This will make the standard of reffing better. Abviously everyone would like a pay rise so this will encourage all to better themselves. For this to happen a referees asseser would have to be appointed.

There are 2 FAI assessors, Paddy Collins and Tony Ryan.

Referees are rewarded for performances, they do Premier and 1A matches.

Some referees never get to referee this level