Johnny Lydon-Tool or Cool?

[joeSoap]

Tool.......

[tiktok]

Tool, and not nearly as interesting as he'd like the world to believe.

[A face]

Dunno ... still probably the most entertaining in there ..... well, barr the melons !!

[Macy]

Cool, but the Pistols still took the credit for punk when it started in America in late 60's.....

[joeSoap]

And any good attributes he has, he probably got from his auld fella'....who is Irish!!

[max power]

Originally posted by joeSoap
And any good attributes he has, he probably got from his auld fella'....who is Irish!!

does he hold an irish passport ?????

[Macy]

Originally posted by max power
does he hold an irish passport ?????
Don't think he's too interested after the treatment he received over here at the height of his notoriety...

[max power]

well he has no passport, he is not irish.....thats a simple fact.

[Rebel Bhoy]

He's well liked by the Irish comunity in North London, at the height of his fame he still attended functions at the local schools with all the kids coming from Irish families. The ratings for IACGMOOH went through the roof around here as all the old ladies forget all his indiscretions and tune in to watch that lovely boy who was good to his mother and was an alter boy at St Mellitus church.

[Dricky]

Originally posted by Conor74
He may be bad on the "I'm a Celebrity" thing.

But I think I'll judge him by the incredible impact he made on the music world. After the dirge of glam rock and the hour long twiddlings of prog rock, after the utter crapness of crappy crap like the Eagles, Johnny Rotten was a beacon in the valley of 1970s music. A genius, who gobbed, spat and punched his way to the top. Will there ever be another moment like the 'you dirty b*****d' moment with Grundy at 6.30 on a current affairs programme? Will there ever be a band with the utter cheek to shout 'God Save the Queen and her fascist regime' at the height of the Jubliee celebrations? You can take your Kurt Cobains and Leonard Cohens, but noone will ever provide the rallying scream for disaffected youth like Johnny. An ugly, angry, demented genius. There will be better singers, better lyricists, better musicians, But he'll always be 'cool'.


No I would of beleived the same untill he's bring out a greatest hits and is going on tour.

not very Punk

Not very cool. but then he's not the biggest tit on the show

[sadloserkid]

Originally posted by Dricky
not very Punk

:rolleyes: So??? He doesn't have to crawl around in a little box marked 'punk' for the rest of his life does he?

[joeSoap]

You were doing well there until you called Oasis 'iconic'...I think the word you want is 'moronic'.

[the 12 th man]

Originally posted by Dricky
. but then he's not the biggest tit on the show

you are dead right there ,he has no way near the biggest tits on the show.:D

[Macy]

If only Oasis had stopped with the Definitely Maybe...... Well possibly give you Whats the Story as well....

Mani from the Roses parents are Irish as well - now there's iconic....

[the scout]

bit sad really to see legendary character reduced to appearing on drivel tv like this.of all the so called "celebs" that appear on it frankly im amazed he agreed to do it.i think he had zilch to gain out of it.

[A face]

Johnny has been busy alright, i have seen him presenting a couple of shows that went to video, and music documentary stuff. He is always there but he seems to be very selective in the work he does.

[Dricky]

Originally posted by sadloserkid
:rolleyes: So??? He doesn't have to crawl around in a little box marked 'punk' for the rest of his life does he?

Sorry to say, he has been on about it for years, anti corporations pop etc, he switches it off only the last year why because he's bringing out a greatest hits and going on tour, he was anti everything but punk and still is so I'm afraid to say sadloser he should practise what he preaches..... he doesn't
it was only very recently he started doing the tv interviews etc again wonder why.

[the 12 th man]

Originally posted by Dricky

it was only very recently he started doing the tv interviews etc again wonder why.

its called raising your public profile when your carreer would benifit from doing it.look at royston brady,says zip for a year and when the euro election looms up he starts bad mouthing the dub city councillors.

[sadloserkid]

Originally posted by Dricky
I'm afraid to say sadloser he should practise what he preaches..... he doesn't

You do realise that he's in the entertaintments industry right? :) So he's not punker than punk itself. Whatever. I find it very hard to respect any multimillionaire who pretends that they're still down with 'it' or whatever the crazy kids call it these days.

[Dricky]

Originally posted by sadloserkid
You do realise that he's in the entertaintments industry right? :) So he's not punker than punk itself. Whatever. I find it very hard to respect any multimillionaire who pretends that they're still down with 'it' or whatever the crazy kids call it these days.

Totally agree it's great to be against the world when you have a silver spoon.

[Dricky]

Originally posted by the 12 th man
its called raising your public profile when your carreer would benifit from doing it.look at royston brady,says zip for a year and when the euro election looms up he starts bad mouthing the dub city councillors.

It's because he's releasing a greatest hits, he is also doing it with PIL........ last year he refused most interviews stating the tv was almost as evil as the monerchy, low and behold he's on tv acting like a teenager having a temper tantrum c here see there.


public profile was not important to him last year, punk was no fashonable it is meant to be now (which goes against what punk stood for) so he killed the goose

[Paddy Ramone]

I've heard he was born in County Galway but others say London. Does anyone know what part of Co Galway he was born or what part of Co Galway that his father came from?

[joeSoap]

Originally posted by Paddy Ramone
I've heard he was born in County Galway but others say London. Does anyone know what part of Co Galway he was born or what part of Co Galway that his father came from?
John Lydon
(Redirected from Johnny Rotten)

John Lydon (born January 31, 1956, Finsbury Park, London - although according to his autobiography this cannot be confirmed as his birth certificate was lost), also known as Johnny Rotten (a nickname deriving from the state of his teeth), was the iconoclastic lead singer of the Sex Pistols and Public Image Ltd (PiL). With his leering, swaggering and sarcastic manner he laid down a new template for rebellious youth and band frontman that continues to be imitated today.

Lydon was chosen by Malcolm McLaren to front the Sex Pistols on the basis of his image. Lydon was hanging around McLaren's clothes shop Sex (co-owned with designer Vivienne Westwood) in 1975 after McLaren had returned from a stint of travelling with the outrageous proto-punk band The New York Dolls and was hatching plans for world domination. Lydon was apparently wearing a Pink Floyd T-Shirt with the words 'I Hate' scrawled in felt-tip pen above their name when offered the job. He was always an unlikely candidate to be involved in someone else's media scam though, being at all times un-cooperative, touchy and supremely self-confident.

His interest in dub music and his post-Sex Pistols work with PiL and artists such as Afrika Bambaataa and Leftfield showed him to be far more musically sophisticated than his Pistols persona suggested. Indeed, Malcolm McLaren was said to have been quite upset when Lydon revealed during a radio interview that his influences included Can, Captain Beefheart and Van Der Graaf Generator. Such acts were not in keeping with the 'punk' image McLaren wished to see projected.

Today Lydon is a freelance counter-culture journalist in Los Angeles and has reported from events such as the Seattle Riots.

In January 2004, Lydon appeared on British reality television programme I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here!, proving he still had the capability to shock by calling the show's viewers "****ing ****s" during a live broadcast. The television regulator and ITV, the channel broadcasting the show, between them received 91 complaints about Lydon's use of bad language.

In an interview previous to the shows first episode, he had described it as "moronic", and throughout the shows run he had displayed an indifferent attitude to staying and threatened to walk out on numerous occassions. 30 hours following ex football star Neil Ruddock's departure, Lydon left the show for unclear reasons.

British newspapers claimed that Lydon had won a £100 bet with Ruddock over who would stay in the longest. Lydon, however, stated on air that he felt he would win outright and that it would be unfair to the other celebrities for him to win. He had a well publicised dislike for a fellow competitor, British glamour model Jordan (Real name: Katie Price), though it is unclear wether this directly contributed to his leaving the show. When asked who would win, he said that he would like Kerry McFadden to win because "she's a real person."

[sylvo]

His dad also John is from Tuam, co Galway and his mother Eillen who passed away in 1979 was from Cork, Johnny and all his brothers were all born in London. He does carry an Irish passport and in anything i've ever read about him he alway's refer's to himself as Irish.
I know going on that program was'nt very punk and was very much like a publicity stunt but the fact remains he had a massive impact not only to music but to society in general at that time and for a long time after. He was the first muscian (as far as i know) to publicly rip into the monarchy and slag off the hypocrisy and bull**** that goes with them. If a band was to make a song slagging them off now nobody would bat an eyelid but to do it in 1977 when mrs Battenberg was having her silver celabrations was almost like a massive bomb going off (and I can even remember all that silver party rubbish) and he ended up with not been able to walk the street's so it was more then the bank account that had a price.
Prior to the Sex pistols appearing on the scene the music industry was going through a state of total staleness, where middle class prog rock band's were the norm and even some had a good say on what band's could be signed by their record company's, so the sex pistols arrival was one of the biggest explosion's to ever happen in music, it gave music a massive kick up the behind when it so badly needed. So many bands from The Smiths, Joy division/new order, the pogues, siousie and the banshees just to name a few said they went out and formed bands after seeing the sex pistols live, even Joe Strummer hacked his hair short and formed the clash after seeing the pistols live.
So he's made a few quid far play to him a lot of the money he made in sex pistols he had to win back off Malcom Mclaran in court years later.
He told the truth back in the 70's to the working class's that the very rubbish the were all falling over to celabrate and were
subsidising were part of the regime that was keeping them down.
I hav'nt got a problem he went on to make a few quid he was part of two great bands and he upset a hell of a lot of people who deserved it.

[sadloserkid]

Conor old man, that's a wonderful post! :)

[joeSoap]

agreed.....quality post!!