View Full Version : If your club went out of business...
jinxy lilywhite
11/08/2009, 10:13 AM
The next time Drogs go bust im gonna go to oriel pk every second wk and support whoever craptown are playing ;)
Original. So you wouldn't go to see Drogheda Town in the LSL :rolleyes:
BohDiddley
11/08/2009, 10:30 AM
Its a tough one. If fingal went then like lep I would find it hard to support another club I was shouting against. Since shels would be the nearest club to me and our main rival the last season and a half, it would be a definite no for supporting them. So maybe Bohs if they moved out this way in the future. (Hav nt had an oportunity to dislike them for any reason yet)
I'd watch Bohs in the Fifteen Acres, and maybe cheer on Pat's against Shamrock.
Also, I'd move to north County Dublin, get elected/co-opted to the 'Fingal' co. council or whatever they're calling it then, and make it my business to end the political patronage of a franchise that has been entirely superfluous to needs in Dublin and probably has played a part in my club going out of business, not least because, somehow, they clearly have managed to persuade some 'Fingalians' that they are not Dubliners and that Dalymount Park is on another planet.
Sunny Jim
11/08/2009, 10:36 AM
Judging by Mick Wallace's reported comments on radio last week, this is a question I may have to consider sooner rather than later.
I can't imagine supporting any other team in the LOI so I'll probably go back to way I was before the Youths - keeping an eye on the LOI but rarely attending any games.
Snoop Drog
11/08/2009, 10:46 AM
However, in the last 20 years, Drogheda fans started this whole anti-Dundalk thing that has alienated Dundalk fans.
Bit harsh eh WH? You can't blame fans for disliking their derby rivals.
pineapple stu
11/08/2009, 10:52 AM
Judging by Mick Wallace's reported comments on radio last week, this is a question I may have to consider sooner rather than later.
What comments were they?
White Horse
11/08/2009, 10:56 AM
Bit harsh eh WH? You can't blame fans for disliking their derby rivals.
Rivalry and competition is fine, hatred I don't understand. When I went to United Park, I wasn't there to cheer them on but to watch a decent football match.
By the way, I'm not pointing the finger exclusively at Drogheda fans, it is now endemic in the league.
I don't like the way the LOI has developed in this respect. I have travelled all over the country since the late 70's following Dundalk. I used to love the away matches, chatting with the home fans, and enjoying the game.
The recent trend of copying yobbish English/Scottish football supporting habits is a terrible development.
I hardly ever go to away games now. Who would want to be herded into a confined area to watch a "sporting" event.
Maybe I'm getting old and contrary.
Snoop Drog
11/08/2009, 11:02 AM
Fair point I suppose...
Sunny Jim
11/08/2009, 11:03 AM
What comments were they?
I didn't hear the interview myself, but I was informed by another contributor to this forum that he stated that he's €40 million in debt and that there is a possibility that he could be declared bankrupt.
I would assume that if that were to happen, it would put an end to the Youths.
Maybe someone who actually heard the interview could clarify.
Black and White
11/08/2009, 11:05 AM
No way!!! It has to be remembered that when Dundalk FC were at their lowest ebb, during the foot-n-mouth crisis, Monaghan United give the club a right kicking and nearly forced the club out of business. There are still some that won't go Monaghan matches because of what they did and others that will go but ensure that Monaghan get no additional money from them.
My point is, I would go just to stop in Culloville for cheap drink!Probably stay there as well and just miss the match. Its just an excuse to stop there for 2 quid pints!
I hardly ever go to away games now. Who would want to be herded into a confined area to watch a "sporting" event.
That's probably as much about following Dundalk as it is about the League in general...
brendy_éire
11/08/2009, 11:18 AM
By the way, I'm not pointing the finger exclusively at Drogheda fans, it is now endemic in the league....the recent trend of copying yobbish English/Scottish football supporting habits is a terrible development.
I'd disagree with that. I haven't found an 'endemic' hatred in the League at all. There isn't a club in the League who's fans I've haven't been able to have a pint with before/after a game (even including the Dubs ;)).
If you're referring to local derbies only, then I would say ourselves and Harps, whilst it's a big rivalry, it's only that, not hatred. Most Derry fans would have a soft spot for Harps, and would love to see them up.
As for 'being herded into a confined area' at away games, I've found that the only ground that has actually enforced segregation has been, strangely enough, Oriel.
White Horse
11/08/2009, 11:19 AM
As for 'being herded into a confined area' at away games, I've found that the only ground that has actually enforced segregation has been, strangely enough, Oriel.
I can't disagee with that. Our facilities for away fans are not ideal.
Lamper.sffc
11/08/2009, 12:19 PM
Its a tough one. If fingal went then like lep I would find it hard to support another club I was shouting against. Since shels would be the nearest club to me and our main rival the last season and a half, it would be a definite no for supporting them. So maybe Bohs if they moved out this way in the future. (Hav nt had an oportunity to dislike them for any reason yet)
I'd watch Bohs in the Fifteen Acres, and maybe cheer on Pat's against Shamrock.
Also, I'd move to north County Dublin, get elected/co-opted to the 'Fingal' co. council or whatever they're calling it then, and make it my business to end the political patronage of a franchise that has been entirely superfluous to needs in Dublin and probably has played a part in my club going out of business, not least because, somehow, they clearly have managed to persuade some 'Fingalians' that they are not Dubliners and that Dalymount Park is on another planet.
And there it is:p
The Midget Gem
11/08/2009, 12:31 PM
I see myself as much of a fan of the league as I am Kildare County and when clubs play in european competitions I find myself supporting them as if they were my own club, so if my club were to go out of business I would still like to support the league
Same here.
If Rovers did go out of business though I'd probably find myself following Shams.
Not always as easy as that!
Ye are lucky that enough people actually seem to care!
Yeah I can understand that. I was just pointing out that I'd be making sure it didn't happen in our case.
Ye still have u20's don't ye?
pineapple stu
11/08/2009, 1:10 PM
They folded in the last week or so, according to posts on the U-20 forum.
SunderlandBohs
11/08/2009, 1:14 PM
I'd watch Bohs in the Fifteen Acres, and maybe cheer on Pat's against Shamrock.
Also, I'd move to north County Dublin, get elected/co-opted to the 'Fingal' co. council or whatever they're calling it then, and make it my business to end the political patronage of a franchise that has been entirely superfluous to needs in Dublin and probably has played a part in my club going out of business, not least because, somehow, they clearly have managed to persuade some 'Fingalians' that they are not Dubliners and that Dalymount Park is on another planet.
Be careful you don't fall BohDiddley. It's a long way dowm of your high horse.
What a pile of sh!te! So Sporting Fingal F.C are for fault we our in the brown sticky stuff. Nothing to with bad business management and over spending. We should get emu to be are club mascot. Cause just like the said say we seem to bury are heads in the sand.
What is it with northsiders chip on there shoulders with people from Fingal? Is it because don't live on benefits?
Ezeikial
11/08/2009, 1:28 PM
As for 'being herded into a confined area' at away games, I've found that the only ground that has actually enforced segregation has been, strangely enough, Oriel.
Perhaps I have it wrong, but my understanding was that it is an FAI directive that there is segregation of fans. Is this the case? Do some some clubs tend to disregard this and allow all supporters intermingle?
Ironically, when Derry came to Oriel early last month, while the normal segregation applied in the terrace, it was almost non-existent in the stands, which added significantly to the atmosphere.
GalwayRed
11/08/2009, 1:36 PM
I'd watch Bohs in the Fifteen Acres, and maybe cheer on Pat's against Shamrock.
Also, I'd move to north County Dublin, get elected/co-opted to the 'Fingal' co. council or whatever they're calling it then, and make it my business to end the political patronage of a franchise that has been entirely superfluous to needs in Dublin and probably has played a part in my club going out of business, not least because, somehow, they clearly have managed to persuade some 'Fingalians' that they are not Dubliners and that Dalymount Park is on another planet.
Im all for having a go at Sporting Fingal but this is laughable. Theres no way you can blame them for any part in your boards stupidity. They have an average attendence of what 650 so they cant have taken many of your fans. Oh and as somebody from swords I can honestly say i havent met a single person from the Fingal area who considers themself a fingallian rather than a dub.
John83
11/08/2009, 1:37 PM
I didn't hear the interview myself, but I was informed by another contributor to this forum that he stated that he's €40 million in debt and that there is a possibility that he could be declared bankrupt.
I would assume that if that were to happen, it would put an end to the Youths.
Maybe someone who actually heard the interview could clarify.
That'd be a shame. I noticed the other day that Wexford's crowds have fallen a good bit this year. I wonder if they're a bigger burden this year than Wallace expected.
dcfcsteve
11/08/2009, 1:40 PM
Yes, but what if Harps had not folded along with Derry?
Harps are City's smaller siamese twin.
If we died, there'd be no-one to provide you with cast-off players in the north-west any more.... ;)
Cici900
11/08/2009, 2:13 PM
Been a Cobh fan we"re often linked with the club heading into the red but in fairness theres not many Cobh fans would start following City.Maybe if they were members run like Shams I could change but no way under their current regime
same couldnt see myself cheering if city scored a goal
peadar1987
11/08/2009, 2:24 PM
same couldnt see myself cheering if city scored a goal
It's strange how a club will grow on you though. When I started going to watch Bray, when I was 14 or 15, I considered myself a Stoke City supporter (My Dad's half of the family are all from Stoke), and I thought I was just going to watch some convenient local football. I never saw myself becoming a proper supporter, but now I'd identify as much with Bray as with Stoke, and would have a hard time choosing if they ever met in the Champions' League final.
Being in with the home crowd for a few games seems to rub off on people quicker than you'd expect. I've brought a friend from Balbriggan to a few Bray games. The first game he was cheering whenever either side did anything, and told me he just wanted to see good football. The last game against Galway was his fourth of the season, and he was as ****ed off as I was when Galway scored that last-minute winner.
passinginterest
11/08/2009, 2:40 PM
Peadar makes a valid point there I think. I was going to the odd game here or there and taking an interest in the league before the Youths came along but never really got attracted to a particular team. I was definitely far more passionate at the Youths games than attending other teams, since getting a Rovers season ticket this year though I can feel myself getting more and more dragged into supporting Rovers and it's getting to the stage where I feel almost the same as I do at the Youths games I can make. It's a strange one, but there's definitely something to the fact that being surrounded by a passionate home crowd is infectious.
BohDiddley
11/08/2009, 3:04 PM
Be careful you don't fall BohDiddley. It's a long way dowm of your high horse.
What a pile of sh!te! So Sporting Fingal F.C are for fault we our in the brown sticky stuff. Nothing to with bad business management and over spending. We should get emu to be are club mascot. Cause just like the said say we seem to bury are heads in the sand.
What is it with northsiders chip on there shoulders with people from Fingal? Is it because don't live on benefits?
Health warning: contains references to actual Dublin geography/identity and may bore others.
Congratulations Alderman SB. You've got things a tad confused there, and gone off half-cocked based on a false opposition. Let me be clear: I am not saying that S. Fingal have any role in BFC's immediate problem.
If you're looking for someone to say that the immediate blame for the club's finances being in the **** lies squarely at the door of the old board, and its remnants on the new one, you'll find that my queue ticket is at least as low as yours.
Now we have that little ritual out of the way, I might point out that that doesn't mean that Sporting Fingal has no impact strategically on Bohemians. Are you really of the view that the league needed another Dublin club that defined itself geographically in opposition to other Dublin clubs, and most of all Bohemians, which is the only native northside club? What an utterly stupid idea that is, from the point of view of league and clubs both.
If you have any brainwaves that will translate into a mere regular 650 increase in attendances (cited by our Galway friend supporting the south Dublin team currently resident in Tolka Park) I'm sure the club would be ecstatic if you would communicate it to them post-haste, even if half of that were to go to Shels. That would be more constructive than taking in a few Fingal games to practice for the day when you are indeed left with no option but to call them your local club.
As for the chip, your assertion that most Bohs fans are on welfare is noted: will you join in that Fingal chant when we have our first 'derby' with the franchise? You seem to be quite keen on the idea of 'Fingal' as a separate entity. But, as a former resident of Malahide, I can echo Galway Red's experience, when he says, '... as somebody from swords I can honestly say i havent met a single person from the Fingal area who considers themself a fingallian rather than a dub.' . Nor have I ever met a single person who describes him or herself as being 'from Fingal'. Perhaps you'll be the first.
Anyway, shouldn't you be off shopping for your Ipswich shirt?
SunderlandBohs
11/08/2009, 3:34 PM
Health warning: contains references to actual Dublin geography/identity and may bore others.
Congratulations Alderman SB. You've got things a tad confused there, and gone off half-cocked based on a false opposition. Let me be clear: I am not saying that S. Fingal have any role in BFC's immediate problem.
If you're looking for someone to say that the immediate blame for the club's finances being in the **** lies squarely at the door of the old board, and its remnants on the new one, you'll find that my queue ticket is at least as low as yours.
Now we have that little ritual out of the way, I might point out that that doesn't mean that Sporting Fingal has no impact strategically on Bohemians. Are you really of the view that the league needed another Dublin club that defined itself geographically in opposition to other Dublin clubs, and most of all Bohemians, which is the only native northside club? What an utterly stupid idea that is, from the point of view of league and clubs both.
If you have any brainwaves that will translate into a mere regular 650 increase in attendances (cited by our Galway friend supporting the south Dublin team currently resident in Tolka Park) I'm sure the club would be ecstatic if you would communicate it to them post-haste, even if half of that were to go to Shels. That would be more constructive than taking in a few Fingal games to practice for the day when you are indeed left with no option but to call them your local club.
As for the chip, your assertion that most Bohs fans are on welfare is noted: will you join in that Fingal chant when we have our first 'derby' with the franchise? You seem to be quite keen on the idea of 'Fingal' as a separate entity. But, as a former resident of Malahide, I can echo Galway Red's experience, when he says, '... as somebody from swords I can honestly say i havent met a single person from the Fingal area who considers themself a fingallian rather than a dub.' . Nor have I ever met a single person who describes him or herself as being 'from Fingal'. Perhaps you'll be the first.
Anyway, shouldn't you be off shopping for your Ipswich shirt?
Let me guess? You haven't got a girlfriend?
I didn't say Bohs fans get welfare cheque, I said northsiders do. No, I won't be joining in that chant because I'm a Bohs fan and SFFC don't have any fans.
And whats wrong with saying I'm from Fingal? I know people from Drogheda who say they're from Meath. In Gods eyes we're all one and the same. He doesn't see any borders. I might start my own liberation party mind, The Fingal Popular Front. Fight for a free County Fingal. End Dublin County Council Rule!
You're a very angry young man who needs help. Seriously man, I'm worried about you!
As for the Ispwich Town shirt joke. That's just genius! I never heard that one before. Did you make that up yourself?:rolleyes:
thischarmingman
11/08/2009, 3:58 PM
I'd stop supporting domestic football.
:D:D:D
BohDiddley
11/08/2009, 4:22 PM
Let me guess? You haven't got a girlfriend?
I didn't say Bohs fans get welfare cheque, I said northsiders do. No, I won't be joining in that chant because I'm a Bohs fan and SFFC don't have any fans.
And whats wrong with saying I'm from Fingal? I know people from Drogheda who say they're from Meath. In Gods eyes we're all one and the same. He doesn't see any borders. I might start my own liberation party mind, The Fingal Popular Front. Fight for a free County Fingal. End Dublin County Council Rule!
You're a very angry young man who needs help. Seriously man, I'm worried about you!
As for the Ispwich Town shirt joke. That's just genius! I never heard that one before. Did you make that up yourself?:rolleyes:
Sorry. I don't feel that much anger about this, really. I just feel we don't need Sporting Fingal. And I'm actually not planning the move to Swords wheeze to get elected! Thanks for the 'young' bit, though.
I also apologise for the cheap Ipswich line, compounding Fingalian outrage with Sunderish. That also was a little jest. It's completely irrelevant and I childishly threw it in because you said my post was ****e. You're right: lots of people have made the same observation. Have you seen the Danger Here job on it? Just in case...;)
http://www.dangerhere.com/wp-content/uploads/cache/1103_NpAdvHover.jpg
Anyway, you still haven't actually said, 'I am from Fingal'. Are you?
Bluebeard
11/08/2009, 5:11 PM
If the Blues died, I might completely give up following football. Indeed, they are most of the reason I make trips home to Ireland, to be honest, so I might give up coming back to Ireland too...
ndrog
12/08/2009, 12:56 AM
I suppose I'd start going to see local junior clubs. I couldn't see myself supporting another LOI club.
I'm old enough to remember a time when quite a few Dundalk fans (particularly those from Ardee/mid Louth) looked out for Drogheda as a second team due to them being from Louth. My Dad and I used to go to United Park when Dundalk were playing in Cork, Limerick, or places quite far away.
However, in the last 20 years, Drogheda fans started this whole anti-Dundalk thing that has alienated Dundalk fans.
Now I wouldn't go near the place.
I agree with that .I know older heads who used to go up and support Dundalk when you were involved in european games ( many moons ago ) :D but wouldnt attempt to step foot in the place now because of the hostility displayed toward them . And to say Drogheda fans started this whole anti Dundalk thing is a bit rich tbh . Its quite evenly matched by Dundalk supporters as far as i can see .And some of the most anti Dundalk supporters i know are from the mid louth / Dunleer area .And by the way you would be most welcome in utd pk by any right minded supporter and ive seen a few ( Dundalk fans ) up there in the last few seasons .
WexCar
12/08/2009, 1:21 AM
I didn't hear the interview myself, but I was informed by another contributor to this forum that he stated that he's €40 million in debt and that there is a possibility that he could be declared bankrupt.
I would assume that if that were to happen, it would put an end to the Youths.
Maybe someone who actually heard the interview could clarify.
didnt hear the interview but was told by my brother last april that 6 of his sites that he was developing(dunno where) were seized by the the bank because he couldnt afford to finish 'em.
White Horse
12/08/2009, 8:39 AM
I agree with that .I know older heads who used to go up and support Dundalk when you were involved in european games ( many moons ago ) :D but wouldnt attempt to step foot in the place now because of the hostility displayed toward them . And to say Drogheda fans started this whole anti Dundalk thing is a bit rich tbh . Its quite evenly matched by Dundalk supporters as far as i can see .And some of the most anti Dundalk supporters i know are from the mid louth / Dunleer area .And by the way you would be most welcome in utd pk by any right minded supporter and ive seen a few ( Dundalk fans ) up there in the last few seasons .
I suppose each side will always see the other side as the instigators of the hostility.
Personally, I think it is regrettable as we share a small county in the shadow of an ever expanding Dublin.
However, when Drogheda were going through their financial woes, the only other fans who were defending them were Dundalk fans. Drogheda were also very supportive of Dundalk during our pitch problems a few years ago.
I regret this whole "punch and judy" stuff.
SunderlandBohs
12/08/2009, 8:41 AM
Yes, I'm from Fingal. Happy now? And that was a lovely picture you made. I'll stick it on me fridge.
Anyway, more serious stuff. Have any fans every thought about doing a AFC Wimbledon? Something maybe Cork City fans could look into? Just a thought.
pineapple stu
12/08/2009, 8:44 AM
Anyway, more serious stuff. Have any fans every thought about doing a AFC Wimbledon?
There doesn't seem a need while clubs are still in existance (however tenuous). I suppose a more pertinent question may be how many people here are on their club's committees, helping ensure they won't go out of business.
Lamper.sffc
12/08/2009, 11:12 AM
Sorry. I don't feel that much anger about this, really. I just feel we don't need Sporting Fingal. And I'm actually not planning the move to Swords wheeze to get elected! Thanks for the 'young' bit, though.
I also apologise for the cheap Ipswich line, compounding Fingalian outrage with Sunderish. That also was a little jest. It's completely irrelevant and I childishly threw it in because you said my post was ****e. You're right: lots of people have made the same observation. Have you seen the Danger Here job on it? Just in case...;)
Anyway, you still haven't actually said, 'I am from Fingal'. Are you?
And now you have had your little rant and we are all the wiser for it. Can we get back on topic now.
ndrog
12/08/2009, 11:40 AM
I suppose each side will always see the other side as the instigators of the hostility.
Personally, I think it is regrettable as we share a small county in the shadow of an ever expanding Dublin.
However, when Drogheda were going through their financial woes, the only other fans who were defending them were Dundalk fans. Drogheda were also very supportive of Dundalk during our pitch problems a few years ago.
I regret this whole "punch and judy" stuff.
Agreed :D Group hug !!!!!!!!!
There doesn't seem a need while clubs are still in existance (however tenuous).
If they were genuinely worried about the future, and the current owner was showing no interest in having fan involvement, they'd be wise to have some plan or plan of action in place.
BohDiddley
13/08/2009, 8:02 AM
Yes, I'm from Fingal. Happy now?
Yes. That's quite sporting of you.
Latch myself on to the easiest club to get to, which is Pats; while seeing what could be done about returning LOI football to Donegal.
pineapple stu
13/08/2009, 8:43 AM
If they were genuinely worried about the future, and the current owner was showing no interest in having fan involvement, they'd be wise to have some plan or plan of action in place.
Should have added in a proviso for that (i.e. Cork) alright. Realistically though, how many other clubs (Bohs?) are in that position? Almost all clubs in the league are in the position where any individual's or individuals' time would be better spent working with the current club.
MariborKev
13/08/2009, 8:43 AM
There will always be a Derry City.
If we went bust, the club would be reformed and start again. As Macy says though, better to have the plan in place.
pineapple stu
13/08/2009, 8:46 AM
Does Macy's post apply to Derry?
(Genuine question)
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