Derry Tuesday Night 0-4

[Redkenrover]

Inside Man 1-0 Everyone

Wonder can he see next Saturday's lotto numbers in that crystal ball of his?

[rovers100%]

cook has not a clue same tactics as last few games where we have a 4 man midfield and 2 central mid of two clowns who cant and wont tackle plus cant pass over 10 yards. brush is gone loopy if he is not flapping or flat footed he is trying to be a defender and making a poor job of it. i really feel cook is losing it. after last few games we needed to be tight and at least get a draw so a 5 man mid with 1 upfront was needed instead he carried on the same. keane and ventre only 2 who looked like they didnt wanna get beat. lads derry thought they were playing a practice match out there. we are shocking and dont know when they booed of last. and boy tonight they deserved every bit. pure sh1te

[sligoman]

What a shambles.

[Boo_Boy]

Hopeless. I'll never boo my team off though, never have and never will.

[red bellied]

Whats left on Cook's contract?

[Boo_Boy]

Whats left on Cook's contract?

Up at the end of the season AFAIK.

(Unless you already know and that's your way of saying can't wait till he's gone).

[gustavo]

Hopeless. I'll never boo my team off though, never have and never will.

You should have thought your username a bit more carefully then :o


Any chance of us beating them at the weekend ?

[sligoman]

Any chance of us beating them at the weekend ?Assuming all the Derry players break their legs before Saturday, yes.

[rovers100%]

cook looks lost he is not willing to change things around. its sad to watch that tonight it would honestly break our heart. how can we go from europe to this

[red arrow]

i believe in miracles " so the song goes lol

[whiteagle]

all i have to say is rovers have 27 players now .. whats cookie got to say about that .. i think some players who werent putting it in shud of been shipped out in transfer window , how are the club supposed to afford all these players ... shambles tonight ..

[red bellied]

Up at the end of the season AFAIK.

(Unless you already know and that's your way of saying can't wait till he's gone).

It was a honest question but you are right. Wonder where he is at the moment? Probably straight home to analyse the video of game.

[rovers100%]

but how do we change it when we have no one to replace richie, connor, or mcgrath. because connors bout the best and he chases mire than tackles. we have no midfielder who will tackle so defence is being overloaded. its just a suggestion but could ya play keane in front of back four as he will def put in a tackle and he can pass as well. mite take some pressure of defence. play blink on his own upfront and raf out the left. it mite be crazy idea but we gotta change it someway

[Rovers1]

We have a decent set of players, but it (again) just looks as if Rovers DO NOT train together as a team, if they even train enough at all. We haven't a clue from set pieces, defending or attacking. There was one stage of the game when we were 3 down, and Derry had a corner. Not one Rovers player seemed to know what they were doing, or what the plan was. They all just looked blankly at each other. Going forward we have no position awareness... surely when a team starts a counter attack, the defence along with the midfielders defending pushes out?:confused: well Rovers don't...

We've needed a kick up the arse for a while, not sure if Cook can give them them the kick they need.

[dublinred]

WTF happened tonight ?????

Read in weekender that Cook kept the players in for 25 mins after Dundalk game and let rip I was expecting somekind of a resposne tonight the scoreline suggests otherwise .

Gone from looking forward to go game at weekend to dreading it.

[Rovers1]

Read in weekender that Cook kept the players in for 25 mins after Dundalk

Yeah.. in Mooneys

[red bellied]

Yeah.. in Mooneys

Players were then a bit pis sed off with him and then locked him in for the night.

[Shedzer]

Blinkhorn was very good tonight again, cant think of much else positive.

Booing doesnt help much now does it??

Hope people dont throw there hat at it now, need to show up on Saturday and suppport the team

In seriousness though, the whole thing needs changing, be its the system, tactics, individuals, whatever.

[red bellied]

I think the booing was more directed at Cook than anything.

[mint sauce]

thourgherly disapointed after tonights result, really thought the arrival of the new signings and the 2 nill win against st pats a few weeks ago was the start of a turn around, but after the disorganised scenes on saturday going from a 3-1 leed, to lose the game 3-4 in 20 minutes, and then tonight losing 0-4, tbh, could have been a lot worse, it really hard to see where we go from this.

:(

[bingoballs]

Players were then a bit pis sed off with him and then locked him in for the night.
Cook has serious questions to answer and to ask of himself. The same mistakes made over and over again and its not good enough. The team always looks a yard short, they lack passion, desire, pride and determination. They have no character, they look lost. The squad is alot stronger since the transfer window and we ubdoubtedly have the quality to get a few results but Cook simply isnt getting it out of them. Only he has the answers. Now and its time for him to pee or get off the pot and thats the truth of it. We have gone beyond nicetees and excuses, we are in deep deep trouble lads and the buck stops with him. I hope he can pull it off. If he does he will be a hero, if he doesnt, he will be a villian and rightly so in my opinion.

[showgies]

This team have not got the fight to stay up. It wouldn't surprise me if Cook resigned soon.

[sligofan4ever]

Your right Red Bellied, from where I was sitting there was people shouting "fcuk off back to England" and "fcuk off back to Liverpool Cook" etc...

I dont know what to say about tonight really, The lads just fell apart after the second goal (fat ba*tard Hutton decides to make himself useful for once this season) There were a mere handful of players that actually did well tonight, bar the free-kicks, Morrison had a good game, Cretaro and Blinkhorn were more frustrated than frustrating, can only think positive of the lads while Camano had his ups and downs during the game. WTF was Brush at with the 3rd goal :confused: Anyone who was in the Jinks Avenue stand know if he lost his footing or something ? I don't know what needs changing, but it needs to be changed may it be the manager,players,tactics, I dont know but we need change big time. I think tonight also showed that for large periods of the game, even if hes a liability, Ventre is needed at the back to put in those tackles, while we desperatly missed Boco too :(. I hope something has changed by Saturday, otherwise we might be in for more of the same. Not being sour with this, but I hope Inside Man has a good look at himself and realises wheter he's right or wrong, he should be backing our team rather than predicting the worst week in week out :mad:. I almost forgot to mention, if we tought Richie Winter was bad, this referee had his fair share of howlers too.

[red arrow]

boco is back for saturday. thats a positive. but honestly we need a miracle. the midfield is non existant. thats the first place where we have to do surgery. i said after the dundalk game that conor o grady was a yard of the pace (my apolgies to him) because mcgrath & ryan can;t or wont show any agression in the middle of the pitch. they need a good kick up the h#ole. camano was a bit suspect at times but at least he can head a ball. cook needs a master plan now for saturday . maybe bring boco into the middle (Bring o grady back if fit) but play the ball to feet , no point in hoofing it up , if we are to win this game we can only do it by playing football on the ground. there defence is slow and can be turned, we have the skilled players to do it i.e morrison cretaro boco blinkhorn.this is our last chance to turn the season around. "i believe in mirACLES"

[sligoman]

This team have not got the fight to stay up. It wouldn't surprise me if Cook resigned soon.He has no reason to resign. He's been paid for his job, there wont be any other job offers on the table and he has a handy time here. He may aswell just wait til the end of the season when his contract is up anyway.

[Boo_Boy]

The whole season has been depressing, can't wait for it to end.

[mint sauce]

Your right Red Bellied, from where I was sitting there was people shouting "fcuk off back to England" and "fcuk off back to Liverpool Cook" etc...

I dont know what to say about tonight really, The lads just fell apart after the second goal (fat ba*tard Hutton decides to make himself useful for once this season) There were a mere handful of players that actually did well tonight, bar the free-kicks, Morrison had a good game, Cretaro and Blinkhorn were more frustrated than frustrating, can only think positive of the lads while Camano had his ups and downs during the game. WTF was Brush at with the 3rd goal :confused: Anyone who was in the Jinks Avenue stand know if he lost his footing or something ? I don't know what needs changing, but it needs to be changed may it be the manager,players,tactics, I dont know but we need change big time. I think tonight also showed that for large periods of the game, even if hes a liability, Ventre is needed at the back to put in those tackles, while we desperatly missed Boco too :(. I hope something has changed by Saturday, otherwise we might be in for more of the same. Not being sour with this, but I hope Inside Man has a good look at himself and realises wheter he's right or wrong, he should be backing our team rather than predicting the worst week in week out :mad:. I almost forgot to mention, if we tought Richie Winter was bad, this referee had his fair share of howlers too.

i think only brush can answer that, looks like he hesiated in trying to clear it and was just trying to get enough distance between him self and the first derry forward, only problem was there was another derry forward bearing down on him and he just couldn't control it

am sure he is absoluty kicking him self for it

[MMVIII]

. camano was a bit suspect at times but at least he can head a ball.

Not sure what game you were watching, but some of his headers were shocking.

[red bellied]

Not sure what game you were watching, but some of his headers were shocking.

He was usually heading it the wrong way too, still that will come right yet with good coaching.

[Rovers Maniac]

Gutted, we were pathetic, no shape, no desire, no hunger, no believe, no idea. This is a massive blow in our attempt to stay up. It's a time for cool heads, we need Peers back fit but no point in rush him back. I think Cookie will try and get Gavin back playing until then i think Ventre and Keane is the centre of defence, Camano was terrible tonight, McGrath shocking, Kendrick is no better than Holmes probably worse Doyle doing very little the last few games. We have Bray on friday week that game is massive, we need to get something from that. To be honest i can't see us staying up and i was laughing at somebody tonight before the game who said if we lost we would be relegated but it was the manner we lost in that i think why we are going down.

[avvenalaf]

He was usually heading it the wrong way too, still that will come right yet with good coaching.

And where the f,uck is he going to get good coaching ?

[Boo_Boy]

He was usually heading it the wrong way too, still that will come right yet with good coaching.

Or common sense...

[Rovers Maniac]

And where the f,uck is he going to get good coaching ?

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[sligoman]

Kendrick is no better than Holmes probably worseI know yer annoyed, we all are, but that's just ridiculous. Fair enough he was terrible tonight but worse than Holmes?

[Fabrizio]

Lads, i agree with most of what is being said. Cook maybe is being stubborn in not willing to change his tactics and trying to prove a point but in fairness if thats the case then no-one is going to win!he needs to change it, he has nothing to lose! i find it astounding that full time players can go out and perform so badly. Cook, Carr and the players themselves should ensure that they are flying fit, but obviously they are not!

If it was me, i would trim the squad, get rid of players who simply arent doing it! as regards Cook if i was replacing him then i would get someone like Gavin Dykes (i know not a popular choice) but he would get the players fit and he would put a rocket up most of them!! which is badly needed. Cook needs to realise that pretty football is a thing of the past as this stage of the season. we need to pick up points, play one up front, sort of the defence, five in midfield and grind out some results as Drogheda have been doing!

I still think they will be safe, due to the fact we still have to play Braw, Drogheda, Galway, Pats and there games i think we can win,but as said above changes needed to be made and FAST!!!

[Boo_Boy]

Dykesy Dykesy Dykesy

[roversforever]

Just want to say i think it would be very unwise to get rid of cookie now. This is the first rough patch he's been through since coming here and i have confidence in him to come through it. He hasn't suddenly turned into a bad manager overnight,granted he's made mistakes but who hasn't. Any club that's ever been succesful has had stability,in terms of sticking with a manager. I still believe we've got a good one here and it would be stupid to let him go. Last year he could do no wrong and now people want him out at the first sign of trouble??we need to get behind him and have everybody pulling in the same direction for the rest of the season. The alternative is to sack him,waste more money paying him off and get somebody in who may need time to familiarise himself with the players etc,time we don't have. And i don't think there would even be too many decent candidates out there anyway. I really think we would regret letting him go,he's a good manager and he can get us out of this. Keep the faith...

[Rory H]

Ya lets sack Cook and bring in Gavin Dykes, he will turn it around. Jesus it was bad but it wasn't that bad.

Cook wants to succeed as a manager, he does care about Rovers but I don't know what has changed this season because our organisation and shape has totally gone. I would like to think that he is trying to address it, but it doesn't look that way on the pitch.

People shouting **** off back to Liverpool in the main stand etc, not even worth addressing. But it was a complete disgrace tonight.

I still believe in Paul Cook, this club has come so far since our return to the PD, we've grown a lot as a club and attendances have been quite good this year, it could easily set us back years if we go down. Cookie took us to the impossible last year, who would have thought that when we were releasing players and in dire straits that he would take us to Europe.

The Cookie that we knew would be appalled by seeing a team of his playing like they did tonight. We'll see now if he is a good manager or a bottle. For now, I'm sticking with him.

[Boo_Boy]

Dykesy Dykesy Dykesy

Just to note...I was kidding. :)

[Rovers Maniac]

I know yer annoyed, we all are, but that's just ridiculous. Fair enough he was terrible tonight but worse than Holmes?

Did you think Kendrick was good tonight Sligoman? I thought he was poor, Bar his game in Dalymount he has been poor imo, both players are slow Holmes a little more so ok, but Holmes can defend Kendrick can't, Kendrick can attack and people think thats great, i think it means nothing if the player can't defend which is what a defender is meant to do. I honestly don't see an improvement in that position, i hope i am proved wrong by the way and you are proved right for the first time ever against me:p :).

[Shedzer]

Did you think Kendrick was good tonight Sligoman? I thought he was poor, Bar his game in Dalymount he has been poor imo, both players are slow Holmes a little more so ok, but Holmes can defend Kendrick can't, Kendrick can attack and people think thats great, i think it means nothing if the player can't defend which is what a defender is meant to do. I honestly don't see an improvement in that position, i hope i am proved wrong by the way and you are proved right for the first time ever against me:p :).

How can you say Homles is a better defender? Thats b*****ks

Homles was never anything other than a cheap option, average buy, 'do a job' left full.
His defending was terrible in general, his positional sense was poor and he hadnt the ability to make up ground after that. He wasnt even fulltime (at least by the time he left).

Kendrick was very poor tonight, he would probably say that himself, but he had a fine game against Pats, decent games against Dundalk and Galway and those that were at it are saying he was good against Bohs

Give it a break

[redtildead]

dont see why people are calling for cooks head. how many managers are available out there that will come in and magically turn things around in a 12 game period? they would need time to get to know the squad and we simply dont have that. no matter if we disagree with his tactics and methods, he is our best hope to get us out of it at this stage.

brush had a desperate game but his howler made no difference to the result, we were well bet at that stage. its rare the lad lets us down in fairness

dont see what good boooing the team does, they know as well as we do that it wasnt good enough, tossers in the main stand shouting abuse at people who clapped players off, what does this achieve can anyone tell me?

and once again shocking referreeing standard, many simple decisions and fouls going against both teams for no apparent reason, at least they're consistent i suppose. only purpose i can see for linesmen is to give wrong offside decisions, lucky one of them felt sorry for us because from my view farren had a perfect goal ruled off

[Rovers Maniac]

How can you say Homles is a better defender? Thats b*****ks

Homles was never anything other than a cheap option, average buy, 'do a job' left full.
His defending was terrible in general, his positional sense was poor and he hadnt the ability to make up ground after that. He wasnt even fulltime (at least by the time he left).

Kendrick was very poor tonight, he would probably say that himself, but he had a fine game against Pats, decent games against Dundalk and Galway and those that were at it are saying he was good against Bohs

Give it a break


No that my opinion, agianst Galway he was pathetic, that was Kendricks worst performance, as for his game v Dundalk not sure how you can say he played well or had a decent game? We shipped 4 and he was caught out and lucky not to give away a peno a couple of times. Holmes trained once a week Kendrick is a full timer i can't see any diifference between the two bar we were not conceding 4 goals a game when Holmes was in the side.

[Rovers Maniac]

By the way anybody know if there is any chance O'Grady will be back on Saturday?

[The Midget Gem]

Probably straight home to analyse the video of game.
Probably straight to the pub for a drink with the lawds!!



Pathetic stuff tonight.
At the end of the day the book stops at the manager. Not good enough, rightly booed off! People say they cant see the point in booing a team off, sure whats the bloody point in standing up and clapping a bunch of lazy sh!ts who wouldnt bother their arse?People pay good money to see that and they have every right to vent their frustration in any way they seem fit..
I have no faith in Cook getting us out of this. I'm constantly remembering his time at Southport, similiar situation, times were tough and he simply didn't have what it took.

[mrtndvn]

Glad to see the Cookie is finally crumbling...

20/03/2008


Well I hope your learned your lesson and you now know to give your posts a quick reread before trying to post a smart comment.

Could you post up the good signings that Cook as made please?

Hes still in a job because hes been able to get the best out of Connors signings, if he loses any more of those, I would be worried for poor wee Sligo.



I do re-read my posts before submitting them but I still make silly mistakes which is probably down to some brain wasting disease or the like so we will just have to live with them!

The bulk of Paul Cook's signings were made in the close season and have only played two competative games so to pass judgement on them now would be pointless but like Red4Eva I would be very optimistic about Boco, Butler, Ventre, Mauro Alexandre de Silva Almeida and Anto Murphy while Doherty, Jennings and Moore are also useful additions to the squad.

As for losing Sean Connor's signings only Adam Hughes falls into that category and being able to improve inherited players by 100% after taking over a club mid way through a season is surely not a failing of any manager?

I hate to say I told you so..

[Boo_Boy]

You went back 17 months to drag up that pointless post?

Cook hardly failed this season because we lost Matthew Judge, who is the only Sean Connor signing we lost in the off season.

[mrtndvn]

He's a terrible manager. He took over a very good team and gradually as he's had a chance to mould it into his own its got worse.

I said this would happen and that they would get relegated, something that looks a very real possibility.

[red_away]

OMG ...a finguck disaster!!!

Things need to change but we have the squad we have and the manager and both should be kept until the end of the season!!!

I said it yday - its time for ugly football, massive clearances, big tackles and a huge work rate!

Cookie has to change his style - No point in trying to keep possession if we lose the ball in dangerous positions!

COG has to return as he may be short a yard of pace but he is a better defensive midfielder than anyone else at the club - if we got peers back i would put ventre and COG as 2 defensive midfielders and consolidate and hopefully build on that!

Confidence would return with a few results and booing (whilst it is your right!) only adds to the problem!

[Dixie Dean]

Booing is absolutely justified in my opinion. The players have to know last nights performance is not acceptable. Dont know why some of these players were brought in as they dont look good enough, mcgrath is **** weak, camano is a liability though i would like to see a bit more of marshall he at least tried to put himself about.

I wouldnt criticize brush, every keeper makes a howler now and then and the defence is under so much pressure because they arent getting any protection from midfield. By and large he has been great for us. Neither McGrath, Ryan or O'Grady are good enough. Dont understand why people defend ogrady, he is pedestrian in every game. Ryan can be useful at left full, but not centre of midfield. It is interesting that anyone who plays there plays exactly the same way, stupid negative short passes back and sideways, no-one putting the foot in. Coincidence or tactics? i dont know.

Last night bar 1 or 2 it looked like the players think they are relegated already.