Stadia

[Umberside]

Yeah, sounds like a great idea alright, but whats the point in any Irish team having a 10,000 seater stadium? Waste of money that they don't have.

Obviously no good now, but in the future they wouldn't need to move to a new stadium like Bohs and Drogheda need at the moment.

[brianw82]

I was at the Showgrounds two weeks ago and it seemed there is a lot of room for development. I would say ye could have a 10,000 all-seater stadium there, would I be right?

10,000 would be pushing it. Not much room on the railway end. 6,000 would be do-able in my book.

[Da Real Rover]

I was at the Showgrounds two weeks ago and it seemed there is a lot of room for development. I would say ye could have a 10,000 all-seater stadium there, would I be right?
Theres no more room for development at the New stand side as it would be cutting into Treacy Avenue.
But there is a good bit of room for development at both the Railway End, The Shed End and the Jinks.

[whinnie01]

GAA does effect soccer in this country and in general you go to most county grounds around the country and their facilities are far better though the non payment of players does allow for the investment in facilities easier, if truth be told most club GAA teams have better facilities than LOI clubs.

[redobit]

I was at the Showgrounds two weeks ago and it seemed there is a lot of room for development. I would say ye could have a 10,000 all-seater stadium there, would I be right?

If we leveled everything and started from scratch, yeah no probs id say (11.5 acres in total)

[Black and White]

Yeah, sounds like a great idea alright, but whats the point in any Irish team having a 10,000 seater stadium? Waste of money that they don't have.

Drogs wanted one, they barely get 1000 at games this season!!:confused:

[Umberside]

I was amazed when I was at the Showgrounds that there's so much space in there. You can see directly into the ground from the road and you can park your car behind one of the goals!

Ye could definitely build a large stand on the Jinks Avenue if ye maybe cut off a piece of the training pitches behind it. As for the sides well I know the one by the road could be developed into a large stand as well. I'm not sure about the other side though, I wasn't over there.

I'll say ye could have 8,000 seats. 10,000 might be pushing it.

[Dunny]

Drogs wanted one, they barely get 1000 at games this season!!:confused:

Of course they are getting small crowds, they are a club who nearly went bust and are in a relegation battle!

[whinnie01]

Of course they are getting small crowds, they are a club who nearly went bust and are in a relegation battle!

True now but when they were doing well for a few years their supporters did turn out for them and when all the financial problems arose last year it was their supporters who helped to rise a lot of money quickly to helpthem get out of their mess.

[don ramo]

no point building a 10000 seater ground in one go, why cant you just get the land you require to one day have a 10000 seater ground (and maybe a bit more for some training pitches, and 5-7 aside pitches), but for now maybe build a concrete terrace all around the ground that can have seating installed later, maybe install 3000 seats at the start,

you could install public amenities and the sorts into the stands, like shopping space (didnt work for drogs but a good idea none the less) or maybe a multi purpsoe sports hall (pool hall, 2-3 bars, maybe even a night club),

this idea would require a lot of clubs to sell there current ground and move to a new area in there perspective towns/cities, but thats what the other clubs in norway and the likes done 20 years ago, they took the hit and are now thriving,

i personally think this league will have to take a few steps backwards in order to move forward, it may require a return to an all semi-pro league, it may require falling a few slots in our european coefficiencies, but were here now and the problems seem to big to rectify, with our current problems of over infalted wages, massive over heads and over the tops law enforcers,

i feel the LOI is being used by EUFA and FIFA as some kind of testing ground simply because no one gives a toss about the LOI, the strictness of our laws favour clubs going bust rather than flourishing, were the first and i still think the only league in the world that requires mandatory full medical tests every year (how may players have had to retire due to this, compared to other leagues), if any of the top european league had rules as strict as the LOI rules they would look very differnt today,


but no point saying any of this, beacuse this can be achived if clubs are supported and run well by there owners, and the owners must have a long term strategy of where they wanna take the club, and i dont mean to the top of the table, i mean infastructure, brand recognition, comunity relations. ETC, clubs try these out maybe every 3-5 years and if they dont see imediate rewards they just stop doing it, its also good to have an owner that is willing to loose money, even if it takes 15 years before he starts getting it back, this is what it is to own a football club and the rewards at the end of the day will make up for all the hardship youll endure to make your club great,

now at the same time you want the owner to invest, but not put it all in in one go, take small steps, and the first step to runing any club is to get people in the gate, it may require having a bus to collect fans, lowering admission fees, improving the match day expierience by having a decent shop in the ground, have half-time entertainment (cross-bar challenge, kiddies match, dancers, draws,) and always, always, make sure they know when the next game is on, put a big giant sign in the ground with it written on it, mind you a score board wouldnt go astray either,

now anyone wanna follow my club :D


EDIT, also for those who dont like seeing empty seats why not find a way to cover them if there not gonna be use, get some big flags and the likes to cover them, or think of someother way to make it look good

[inchicore_saint]

Surely its achievable for every Premier team to have a decent stadium with at least 4,000 seats.

[don ramo]

Surely its achievable for every Premier team to have a decent stadium with at least 4,000 seats.

yes it is, the problem is they want it now, these thing take time and commitment, the key is for every new supporter that walks in the gate to have a satisfying expierience that will entice him to return

[Flexy]

think the Molde stadium is excellent even if you had 7 or 8 rows of seats all around the ground would be sufficent and an excellent ground. No ambition in our league with clubs and the councils

[bennocelt]

i dont think that the gaa is as big a factor as people say. if you go back to the 70s when waterford played rovers they were pulling in 20000. the gaa was just a strong back then

dont agree with this at all - just turn on rte at any time and they are always showing some Gah junk from celebrity ban, the sunday game, pride of the county, etc etc etc - the free promotion the GAA get is so not funny:mad:

[endabob1]

http://www.conferencegrounds.co.uk/rushden_and_diamonds.htm

I used to live quite close to Rushden (although strictly speaking they were the enemy) I always thought their ground was the perfect model for a LOI club, capacity of about 6,500 with a good mix of seats & terrace, proper facilities with 2 bars and a restaraunt for sponsors, full training pitch & gym on site with the shop & all the clubs offices also housed in the stadium

http://www.thediamondsfc.com/page/NenePark/0,,10784,00.html

[Black and White]

I couldnt be arsed going looking for the thread on LOI grounds but one question I want to ask is, didnt the FAi grant Drogheda a licence on severla grounds this season one in particular that temporary seating was to be put in place to bring it up to Premier Division regulations? So are these seast in now or whats the story with them?

[ndrog]

No blackandwhite the seats arent going in and the whole issue will be fudged by the fai because they love us so much , anyway they have enough to be dealing with cork going bust and bohs on the way :eek: Any chance you could get some cover for away fans and maybe a footpath to enter and exit the grouind without getting soaked and covered in mud .Theres a good lad .

[Nesta99]

No blackandwhite the seats arent going in and the whole issue will be fudged by the fai because they love us so much , anyway they have enough to be dealing with cork going bust and bohs on the way :eek: Any chance you could get some cover for away fans and maybe a footpath to enter and exit the grouind without getting soaked and covered in mud .Theres a good lad .

Was a valid question ndrog, but your response is typical in its defensiveness and deflection. A straight answer would have negated any mischief making BandW was indulging in if even thats what he was at:rolleyes:

[MeathDrog]

Was a valid question ndrog, but your response is typical in its defensiveness and deflection. A straight answer would have negated any mischief making BandW was indulging in if even thats what he was at:rolleyes:
He makes a good point.

[ndrog]

Was a valid question ndrog, but your response is typical in its defensiveness and deflection. A straight answer would have negated any mischief making BandW was indulging in if even thats what he was at:rolleyes:

And the judgemental holier than thou attitude displayed by dundalk fans after coming up from 7 years in the graveyard is getting tiresome beyond belief :eek:

[Nesta99]

Did i say defensiveness?? Should have said paranoia!!!:o

[Mr A]

Ironically the more time goes on the more some of the Dundalk posse remind me of certain Galway fans after they got up a few years ago.

[Drogman.]

Was a valid question ndrog, but your response is typical in its defensiveness and deflection. A straight answer would have negated any mischief making BandW was indulging in if even thats what he was at:rolleyes:

The FAI own the ground and they indicated at the start of the season that they will add seating to Utd Park, the home terrace area.

I think that the time involved won't be until next season so don't expect to see anything soon. Engineers have been up to look at how it can be done and apparently a plan has been approved.

It's just a matter of wait and see I suppose.

[Duggie]

drogman how many seats are we talking ? is it both ends or what. dosent seem to be that much space behind the goals though.

[ped_ped]

The teams - Premier League, mainly - really need to improve slowly and steadily, without boxing themselves into a situation where they can no longer extend.

If possible, whether your stadium has 2,000 or 4,000, you should first focus on cleaning the stadium up (a problem with most LOI grounds), improving the shops/toilets/whatever, but if at all possible, teams should be ready for a situation where, if circumstance dictates, they can extend the stadium from 2,000, 4,000 gradually upwards towards 8,000, 10,000 and beyond.

Basically there's no point having a 20,000 seater stadium for 2,000 supporters, but there's also no point in having a beautiful, flawless 4,000 seater and if the situation arises where you could be bringing in two or three times that amount you have no surrounding lands in which to extend.

[John83]

The teams - Premier League, mainly - really need to improve slowly and steadily, without boxing themselves into a situation where they can no longer extend.
It's a nice idea, but in practice, most of the Premier teams which own their grounds are busy selling it to pay for a league title. If we reach a point where teams are on a steady footing financially, we can think about gradually improving the infrastructure - essentially what licensing was supposed to do.

[oriel]

No blackandwhite the seats arent going in and the whole issue will be fudged by the fai because they love us so much , anyway they have enough to be dealing with cork going bust and bohs on the way :eek: Any chance you could get some cover for away fans and maybe a footpath to enter and exit the grouind without getting soaked and covered in mud .Theres a good lad .


There is no doubting our away end is a disgrace, and as I have said many times, not fit for Premier standard.

Hopefully this will be addressed in the not to distant future.

[Duggie]

i like oriel park have to say. seems to me it has great space to upgrade it if they have the money. artificial surface, has the potential to be a top ground there.

[Black and White]

The FAI own the ground and they indicated at the start of the season that they will add seating to Utd Park, the home terrace area.

I think that the time involved won't be until next season so don't expect to see anything soon. Engineers have been up to look at how it can be done and apparently a plan has been approved.

It's just a matter of wait and see I suppose.

Thanks Drogman, thats all I was really asking about but of course Ndrog has to turn it into a pitiful slagging match whihc nobody cares about....Typical

[ndrog]

Thanks Drogman, thats all I was really asking about but of course Ndrog has to turn it into a pitiful slagging match whihc nobody cares about....Typical

You have my sincere apologies blackandwhite .I did indeed turn it into a pitiful slagging match and for that im truly sorry .The wounds are still open after our horrendous showing in oriel pk on friday night , i would like to publically and sincerely wish my fellow Louth men all the best for the rest of season .Love Ndrog .....

[passerrby]

You have my sincere apologies blackandwhite .I did indeed turn it into a pitiful slagging match and for that im truly sorry .The wounds are still open after our horrendous showing in oriel pk on friday night , i would like to publically and sincerely wish my fellow Louth men all the best for the rest of season .Love Ndrog .....

wha are you some kind of pervert

[WindmillWarrior]

Now see what you've done Black & White. Wasn't he much better the other way?!

[WindmillWarrior]

drogman how many seats are we talking ? is it both ends or what. dosent seem to be that much space behind the goals though.

it'll be enough seats to get the licence, no more and no less! Not sure what you're on about behind the goals - the seats are going in the main home terrace, under the roof

[Drogman.]

it'll be enough seats to get the licence, no more and no less! Not sure what you're on about behind the goals - the seats are going in the main home terrace, under the roof

Yeah on the home terrace and possibly behind the goals at the crosslanes end, but that's not confirmed.

It will also coincide with new and better toliet facilities, which everything together will bring Utd Park up to Premier Div standard.

If it happens then all well and good but like I said, this is what I was advised at the start of the season so I don't know when the next step will take place.

[WindmillWarrior]

If it happens then all well and good but like I said, this is what I was advised at the start of the season so I don't know when the next step will take place.

Are you waiting for them to get back to you on it?!! :p

[don ramo]

it'll be enough seats to get the licence, no more and no less! Not sure what you're on about behind the goals - the seats are going in the main home terrace, under the roof

how may seats are required for prem league, when we built our new stand we has 1500 and i think that satisfied licenceing, but i read somewhere that it goes up each year, so youll slowly built up our ground,

any ground being built should just have a bowl shape (our 4 sides) with just all terracing, then over time put in seating, the terrace can be built in such a way that seats can be added later as the club grows (not just all put in at once), that way ill have somewhere to stand:D,

[bennocelt]

You have my sincere apologies blackandwhite .I did indeed turn it into a pitiful slagging match and for that im truly sorry .The wounds are still open after our horrendous showing in oriel pk on friday night , i would like to publically and sincerely wish my fellow Louth men all the best for the rest of season .Love Ndrog .....

wow, what happened here....................................:)

[Black and White]

Why is the far corner of the home shed side cordoned off by barriers? You know just after the where the roof ends!

[Black and White]

You have my sincere apologies blackandwhite .I did indeed turn it into a pitiful slagging match and for that im truly sorry .The wounds are still open after our horrendous showing in oriel pk on friday night , i would like to publically and sincerely wish my fellow Louth men all the best for the rest of season .Love Ndrog .....

Typical Drogs with their sarcastic remarks! Although yeah ye where horrendous in Oriel the other night!:D

[peadar1987]

In an idle moment I thought about what could be done with the Carlisle Grounds given a decent budget, and demand for match tickets:

-Pedestrianise Seymour Road and Quinsborough Road where they run adjacent to the ground, and resurface them in a different colour. Then put in stalls selling merchandise and food on match days

-Have another stand at the bowling alley and of the ground, of similar depth to the Rehab Bingo Stand, but preferably a little less like a tent

-Replace the RBS with something a bit more permanent, and with a less obstructed view.

-Extend the DART stand around the corner of the Dargle end, and put in changing rooms beneath it. Have a proper tunnel where the players run out now, and put the club offices and hospitality centre above that.

-Buy the land behind the DART stand, with a view to extending the stand backwards if the need arises. Build a proper media centre at the half way line, and build it in such a way that the stand can be extanded backwards

-Cover the DART stand, heavy duty canvas would do, so long as it was suspended in such a way that it didn't obscure the view of the pitch.

-New toilets, as soon as possible!

At an estimate, this would raise the seating capacity to about 5000, which should be all the club need for the forseeable future, although room for expansion would still exist.

That said, I don't have any major problems with the Carlisle as is. As long as I don't get rained on and I can see the football, I'm getting what I want out of my evening.

[the scout]

Rosenborg BK stadium is quality. good set up .

[Umberside]

Rosenborg BK stadium is quality. good set up .

Only problem for a LOI club is that Rosenborg have been in the Champions League group stages numerous times in the last 10 years.

[the scout]

Only problem for a LOI club is that Rosenborg have been in the Champions League group stages numerous times in the last 10 years.

they are one of those quality teams on the verge of breaking into a bigger team!

[peadar1987]

they are one of those quality teams on the verge of breaking into a bigger team!

...and stealing all of their stuff

[the scout]

...and stealing all of their stuff
Whats that suppose to mean ha ha

[ifk101]

http://www.telenorarena.no/english/

The link for this stadium in the initial post was broken so here's pictures of Stabæk's stadium. Their stadium is a 15,000 capacity indoor arena.