Setanta Cup goes ahead [Archive] - Page 3

srfc1928

28/07/2009, 3:41 PM

Well at least you're honest.

Setanta are in enough financial problems of their own. Having Bray rather than us in it, certainly isn't going to result in massive new subscriptions. Bray are down the bottom of the league with lights that are very poor. Our game down there this month finished in near darkness, with them on. :eek: For hospitality, we have a suite to offer. Bray have a portakabin.

If it's an invitation rather than a qualifying tournament, then the last place is up for grabs. Setanta should consider their options carefully.
That has to be the most pathetic thing i have ever read.

dcfcsteve

28/07/2009, 3:42 PM

With wage structures south of the border what do you expect?

Though, Shels, Drogs, Cork it has its disavantages :rolleyes:

Well given Linfield get handed 10% of the gate receipts from every single NI home international (and they sell out these days) without having to lift a finger, I'd expect them to do a lot better than LOI teams who don't have anywhere near that kind of passive income coming in.... :rolleyes:

Mr_Parker

28/07/2009, 4:27 PM

Well given Linfield get handed 10% of the gate receipts from every single NI home international (and they sell out these days) without having to lift a finger, I'd expect them to do a lot better than LOI teams who don't have anywhere near that kind of passive income coming in.... :rolleyes:

They don't get 10%....they get 15% plus..... 15% of TV money and..... 15% of all advertising except...for the North Stand advertising for which they get 50%....not of course counting the other revenue incidentals they get on International days....then add on the monies from hosting the Irish Cup Final....not far of �1 million in the last footballing year.

EalingGreen

28/07/2009, 4:58 PM

They don't get 10%....they get 15% plus..... 15% of TV money and..... 15% of all advertising except...for the North Stand advertising for which they get 50%....not of course counting the other revenue incidentals they get on International days....then add on the monies from hosting the Irish Cup Final....not far of �1 million in the last footballing year.
It's a shame that Bohs weren't drawn in the same Setanta group as Linfield.

You know, a team of "Big Time Charlies" spending money it didn't have to win their League, versus another team of "Big Time Charlies" spending money it did have, NOT to win the League...:p

awec

28/07/2009, 5:34 PM

dcfcsteve

28/07/2009, 9:19 PM

They don't get 10%....they get 15% plus..... 15% of TV money and..... 15% of all advertising except...for the North Stand advertising for which they get 50%....not of course counting the other revenue incidentals they get on International days....then add on the monies from hosting the Irish Cup Final....not far of �1 million in the last footballing year.

Helpful clarification Mr Parker.

With that level of passive income, Linfield should be the best team on the island by a country mile. God knows where the money goes, given their team is still largely part-time.

mypost

29/07/2009, 3:16 AM

Hoops should not get the place because they did not earn it Qualification should be earned (not bummed) so Bray or a playoff with next highest IL team should apply

I'm sure you applied the same logic to when Pats took (rather than earned) Shels place 2 years ago. :rolleyes:

If it's an invitation cup, then the best/most attractive teams and the cup winners have to compete. Bray are neither.

WexCar

29/07/2009, 4:53 AM

hey wexford lost to derry in the league cup, so we've more of a claim to entry than the shams. :D:D

NI_CFC

29/07/2009, 9:54 AM

we got bohs and glens, i wanted the blues and derry but what can you do,

never been to see any loi grounds, looking forwards to a wee bus trip to dublin (at least i think its dublin? lol)

redobit

29/07/2009, 10:28 AM

It's an invititional, throw in a Welsh team for the crack.

footballplease

29/07/2009, 10:29 AM

Buller

29/07/2009, 11:08 AM

Prize money has been (understandably) reduced; its now �25k for taking part. Cork City got �180k for winning last year - winners this year will get half that.

CuanaD

29/07/2009, 11:33 AM

It's an invititional, throw in a Welsh team for the crack.This was possibly a joke, but it's still not the worst idea on this page IMO

marinobohs

29/07/2009, 2:53 PM

I'm sure you applied the same logic to when Pats took (rather than earned) Shels place 2 years ago. :rolleyes:

If it's an invitation cup, then the best/most attractive teams and the cup winners have to compete. Bray are neither.

Yes I did actually (as did SETANTA) as Pats were the next best placed team as Bray are in this case. What I disagreed with was the idea that a team should be air lifted in (as proposed for Rovers) contrary to League position. As regards your "best/most attractive team" approach, obviously at the time of qualification Bray were better than Rovers (as per respective League positions)
Hope this explains it to you, most other fans will be familiar with the concept of having to qualify for the SETANTA Cup :)

Dodge

29/07/2009, 2:57 PM

Pats got it for being runners up in the FAI Cup, as Derry took the de facto champions spot. The UEFA Cup spot was given first, so I'd imagine Setanta went with that.

If you look back you won't find Pats fans touting themselves like whores for that spot either. In fact most thought it was hilarious, even if there was some method to it

EalingGreen

29/07/2009, 3:32 PM

Yes I did actually (as did SETANTA) as Pats were the next best placed team as Bray are in this case. What I disagreed with was the idea that a team should be air lifted in (as proposed for Rovers) contrary to League position. As regards your "best/most attractive team" approach, obviously at the time of qualification Bray were better than Rovers (as per respective League positions)
Hope this explains it to you, most other fans will be familiar with the concept of having to qualify for the SETANTA Cup :)
The other eight teams qualified virtue of League placings or Cup Finals. However, I think I'm right in saying Cork qualified by virtue of being last season's Winner. Since last season's Runner-Up (Glens) have qualified by being IL Champions, there is no obvious like-for-like replacement.

Therefore why automatically go to the LOI highest placed non-qualifier (Bray) and not also consider the IL equivalent (Crues)?

Normally I'd be happy enough to accept that with the LOI being stronger than the IL, it can justify 5 teams out of nine. However, Bray have performed v.poorly over the last six months, whereas Crues have steamed ahead in the same period, so maybe they merit their chance against Bray in a 2-leg playoff?

It would add a bit of interest to kick-start the competition (imo).

SMorgan

29/07/2009, 4:12 PM

EalingGreen

29/07/2009, 5:30 PM

Here we go again!!!

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/local/glentoran-are-corked-14436192.html

the Setanta Cup in just one continuous moan for Glentoran and Linfield. Unless there is a change of attitude of the Belfast clubs this competition has no future.
Actually, you'll find that both LFC and the Glens were initially pretty enthusiastic about the Setanta, but recent experience has left them (and the other IL clubs) feeling dismayed and disillusioned by the lack of communication, consultation and basic courtesy shown towards them by the organising Committee, especially Messrs. Corcoran and Hayes. :mad:
This found it's nadir in the double-dealing over the selection of Turner's Cross for the Final last year, despite its not even being finished etc, in what was seen as pretty blatant favouritism towards Cork (not that the extra €70k winners' Prize Money did them any fecking use, anyhow :rolleyes:).
Then after the Glens made it clear just how annoyed they were, they blithely just assume that Cork's place will go to an LOI club, without even informing the IL?
1385

Mr_Parker

29/07/2009, 5:40 PM

Schumi

29/07/2009, 6:16 PM

The quotes in that piece don't seem to tally with the first line saying that Glentoran are "slamming" the organisers.

awec

29/07/2009, 6:24 PM

The other eight teams qualified virtue of League placings or Cup Finals. However, I think I'm right in saying Cork qualified by virtue of being last season's Winner. Since last season's Runner-Up (Glens) have qualified by being IL Champions, there is no obvious like-for-like replacement.

Therefore why automatically go to the LOI highest placed non-qualifier (Bray) and not also consider the IL equivalent (Crues)?

Normally I'd be happy enough to accept that with the LOI being stronger than the IL, it can justify 5 teams out of nine. However, Bray have performed v.poorly over the last six months, whereas Crues have steamed ahead in the same period, so maybe they merit their chance against Bray in a 2-leg playoff?

It would add a bit of interest to kick-start the competition (imo).
Whites!

It would be Distillery v someone. The competition lags behind our league.

Mr_Parker

29/07/2009, 7:22 PM

I just noticed that the link provided only gives you a brief part of the article. Here is the story in full

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/local/ralph-in-rage-over-setanta-shambles-14436176.html

thischarmingman

29/07/2009, 9:45 PM

The quotes in that piece don't seem to tally with the first line saying that Glentoran are "slamming" the organisers.

Newspaper in sensationalism shock :D

Ezeikial

30/07/2009, 12:14 AM

It seems that the Irish League clubs have a valid complaint here, assuming that the lack of consultation or discussion is true. It is not cut and dried that any replacement for Cork should come from the LoI, and certainly handing a seeding to them is daft.

ifk101

30/07/2009, 6:59 AM

The main focus should be on ensuring that the competition continues beyond the current season as it was touch and go as to whether the Setanta Cup would take place this season at all.

In saying that perhaps the most sensible solution to the Cork situation is to allocate Sligo and Cliftonville to the other two groups and make two groups of four as in previous years. I know there'll be moans about fixture congestion and all that drivel but if the clubs want the competition to continue they need to demonstrate some flexibility.

EalingGreen

30/07/2009, 9:41 AM

The main focus should be on ensuring that the competition continues beyond the current season as it was touch and go as to whether the Setanta Cup would take place this season at all.

Perhaps Corcoran and the Organising Committee are taking advantage of the IL club's overall desire to keep it going; if nothing else, the clubs may already have budgeted for a certain income from the competition.

In saying that perhaps the most sensible solution to the Cork situation is to allocate Sligo and Cliftonville to the other two groups and make two groups of four as in previous years. I know there'll be moans about fixture congestion and all that drivel but if the clubs want the competition to continue they need to demonstrate some flexibility.Good suggestion. If Sligo went in with Coleraine, Glens and Bohs, and C'ville in with Linfield, DCFC and Pats, it would keep a neat LOI/IL split and even travelling distances.

The Betting Man

30/07/2009, 9:48 AM

In saying that perhaps the most sensible solution to the Cork situation is to allocate Sligo and Cliftonville to the other two groups and make two groups of four as in previous years. I know there'll be moans about fixture congestion and all that drivel but if the clubs want the competition to continue they need to demonstrate some flexibility.

Thats what i thought they would of done it would still work the same eg semi final and final and it would still be League of Ireland v Irish League and then there can be no moaning from fans as to why X team got Cork's place instead of this team.Maybe that way will go that way but I would be surprised

Real ale Madrid

30/07/2009, 9:57 AM

Cork City qualified as winners last year - thier place in the competition should go to the next best placed team that hasn't already qualified.

And thats Drogheda.

pineapple stu

30/07/2009, 9:58 AM

How do you figure that? Bray finished higher than Drogheda in the league last year.

Edit - or is it Drogheda did best in the Setanta last year of those who didn't qualify this year?

Real ale Madrid

30/07/2009, 10:03 AM

Yeah sorry - next best placed in last years SC that hasn't got in already. Think that's the fairest?

WindmillWarrior

30/07/2009, 10:13 AM

Think that's the fairest?

yes, most definitely! :)

RoversHead

30/07/2009, 10:42 AM

Better to invite the Welsh champions to replace Cork.

redobit

30/07/2009, 11:16 AM

Yeah sorry - next best placed in last years SC that hasn't got in already. Think that's the fairest?

Seems the most logical way of doing it. Two away trips up to visit the nordies for us would be great too.

Mr_Parker

30/07/2009, 7:32 PM

Yeah sorry - next best placed in last years SC that hasn't got in already. Think that's the fairest?

How do you conclude that one? :confused:

Candystripe

31/07/2009, 3:58 AM

Two groups of four teams has to be the fairest way of doing it if Cork can't play.

I suppose that's too sensible though in this country.

Real ale Madrid

31/07/2009, 6:37 AM

[QUOTE=Mr_Parker;1202742]How do you conclude that one? QUOTE]

:confused::D

Cork City only got into the SC this year because they won it. nothing to do with league positions, which league they come from etc, logically thier place should go to the next best team from last years competition that has not qualified already, regardless of which league they are from.

Lets face it - putting another IL team in there would only dilute the quality of the cometition. ;)

Mr_Parker

07/08/2009, 3:16 PM

sligoman

07/08/2009, 6:24 PM

Are any other clubs concerned that with about three weeks to the first round of games that the fixtures are yet to be confirmed? There does seem to be some feet dragging going on regardless of the delays over the Cork issue.Was wondering about the fixtures myself. Are any dates confirmed? Can't find them anywhere. Although according to a local paper we're home to Cork in September and away to Cliftonville in mid-October.

MariborKev

07/08/2009, 8:29 PM

Are any other clubs concerned that with about three weeks to the first round of games that the fixtures are yet to be confirmed? There does seem to be some feet dragging going on regardless of the delays over the Cork issue.

It's Irish football. If it was organised I'd think there'd be some sort of bloodless coup.

brianw82

07/08/2009, 8:33 PM

It's Irish football. If it was organised I'd think there'd be some sort of bloodless coup.

And a man called Ktengi in charge.

Dodge

07/08/2009, 9:11 PM

The fixtures were announced

We were due to play Linfield on Friday 28th August but obviously that won't go ahead now

Mr_Parker

07/08/2009, 10:57 PM

The fixtures were announced

We were due to play Derry on Friday 28th August but obviously that won't go ahead now

The fixtures that were announced were only provisional.

Dodge

08/08/2009, 7:33 AM

The fixtures that were announced were only provisional.

Thats always the way with Setanta. Final days and kick off times are only confirmed when TV schedules are being formulated

sligoman

08/08/2009, 11:24 AM

The fixtures were announcedWhere are they then? I never saw them and can't find them anywhere. If you've got the whole fixture list can you put it up please.

atfconline

08/08/2009, 11:28 AM

Match Day 1

Fri./Sat. 28/29 August 2009

Cork City v Cliftonville

Glentoran v Bohemians

St. Patrick�s Athletic v Linfield

Match Day 2

Fri./Sat./Mon. 18/19/21 September 2009

Sligo Rovers v Cork City

Coleraine v Glentoran

Derry City v St. Patrick�s Athletic

Match Day 3

Fri./Sat./Mon./Tues. 2/3/5/6 October 2009

Cliftonville v Sligo Rovers

Bohemians v Coleraine

Linfield v Derry City

Match Day 4

Mon./Tues. 2/3 November 2009

Glentoran v Coleraine

Match Day 4

Mon./Tues. 9/10 November 2009

Cork City v Sligo Rovers

St. Patrick�s Athletic v Derry City

Match Day 5

Fri./Sat. 26/27 February 2010

Sligo Rovers v Cliftonville

Coleraine v Bohemians

Derry City v Linfield

Match Day 6

Saturday 13 March 2010

Cliftonville v Cork City

Bohemians v Glentoran

Linfield v St. Patrick�s Athletic

SEMI-FINALS:

Monday 29 March 2010 & Saturday 17 April 2010

Saturday 3 April 2010 & Monday 19 April 2010

FINAL:

Saturday 15 May 2010

sheao

08/08/2009, 8:41 PM

I was thinking should Pats get into the group stages of the Europa league,it could make a right mess of their setanta cup sechdule .

marinobohs

09/08/2009, 4:22 AM

I was thinking should Pats get into the group stages of the Europa league,it could make a right mess of their setanta cup sechdule .

Yea, they would have to change some fixtures (hopefully) but given the gaps and timescale for the SETANTA I would expect they could be facilitated. Might lead to the odd busy week but I doubt anyone in Inchicore will be complaining ;)

Mr_Parker

09/08/2009, 10:20 AM

Thats always the way with Setanta. Final days and kick off times are only confirmed when TV schedules are being formulated

Yes and?

I am well aware of that. However it has now been a few weeks since the draw was made and less than 3 weeks to the first fixtures. As yet these fixtures, ie dates and KO times have yet to be confirmed. TV schedules will not affect every game and even if it did these would have been fixed before now.

Dodge

09/08/2009, 7:02 PM

Yes and?

I am well aware of that. However it has now been a few weeks since the draw was made and less than 3 weeks to the first fixtures. As yet these fixtures, ie dates and KO times have yet to be confirmed. TV schedules will not affect every game and even if it did these would have been fixed before now.

They couldn't be finalised because Pats and Derry were still in Europe. Pats are still in europe and some games have to be changed. Whether these gmes wnt ahead or not affected which game was on TV so the rest of the fixtures were affected.

Mr_Parker

09/08/2009, 9:25 PM

They couldn't be finalised because Pats and Derry were still in Europe. Pats are still in europe and some games have to be changed. Whether these gmes wnt ahead or not affected which game was on TV so the rest of the fixtures were affected.

So we can expect confirmation in the next day or so?