Why I hate the GAA [Archive] - Page 2

DeLorean

28/07/2009, 11:15 AM

No - as the hockey stick is held in the hands, not the feet

Yes but they can't catch the ball or hold it in their hands as they can in Hurling so surely by your original logic this would mean it is more skillful? Of course by your more recent logic darts, tennis, snooker, golf, chess, etc. are all lacking a bit on skill stakes seeing as you hold the dart, racket, cue etc with your hands.

John83

28/07/2009, 12:26 PM

Yes but they can't catch the ball or hold it in their hands as they can in Hurling so surely by your original logic this would mean it is more skillful? Of course by your more recent logic darts, tennis, snooker, golf, chess, etc. are all lacking a bit on skill stakes seeing as you hold the dart, racket, cue etc with your hands.
While I agree that Den Perry's argument is specious, but while all of the sports you mention do require certain skills (some of them unexpected - regular chess players have been shown to be much faster at certain dexterity tasks: watch this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzrap8Vtyq8&feature=related) to see why), none of them is as physically skilled as hurling or (assoc.) football. Tennis requires great agility, positioning and power (in the serve), but I don't think Nadal or Federer are as skillful as Messi. I suppose the argument is a little pointless - it's hard to quantify what we mean anyway.

DeLorean

28/07/2009, 12:49 PM

While I agree that Den Perry's argument is specious, but while all of the sports you mention do require certain skills (some of them unexpected - regular chess players have been shown to be much faster at certain dexterity tasks: watch this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzrap8Vtyq8&feature=related) to see why), none of them is as physically skilled as hurling or (assoc.) football. Tennis requires great agility, positioning and power (in the serve), but I don't think Nadal or Federer are as skillful as Messi. I suppose the argument is a little pointless - it's hard to quantify what we mean anyway.

I agree (not necessarily about the Messi-Federer/Nadal comparison). I'm not saying one is more skillful than the other anyway, I'm just saying it's ridiculous to base it on whether you're allowed to use your hands or not.

Den Perry

28/07/2009, 12:49 PM

While I agree that Den Perry's argument is specious, but while all of the sports you mention do require certain skills (some of them unexpected - regular chess players have been shown to be much faster at certain dexterity tasks: watch this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzrap8Vtyq8&feature=related) to see why), none of them is as physically skilled as hurling or (assoc.) football. Tennis requires great agility, positioning and power (in the serve), but I don't think Nadal or Federer are as skillful as Messi. I suppose the argument is a little pointless - it's hard to quantify what we mean anyway.

I probably did over generalise, by stating any sport. What I really meant to say was that even though hurling is a very skillful sport, I feel the fact that one can use their hands makes it easier to play than soccer. The issues of balance, control and even protecting the ball are far more difficult without use of the hands

elroy

28/07/2009, 8:44 PM

association football.

"sure jaysus you could have nera score in a soccer match.....".

I HATE the term "association football" or the "garrison game" for that matter.

Ya i often hear that line, my usual argument is along the lines of tactics in football and been able to appreciate them and understand them to the extent that i can enjoy a nil nil as much as a 4-4. Tactics in football/hurling are fairly rare lets be honest, its only in recent times, that teams have tinkered with fielding teams not in the standard 1 - 15 shape.

One other point that occurs to me about gaa games (and i enjoy watching them in general) is that alot of the time you may as well not bother watching the first 40 mins or so of a game, its only really in the last ten mins that it comes to life i.e. a perfect example is the recent cork v galway and galway v waterford games. Dull enough first halves, only in the last ten mins that the games come to life and are genuinely exciting, now i appreciate there are exceptions to this but I often feel if you join a gaa game half way through you havent missed as much as if you missed the first half of a football game.

ArdeeBhoy

06/08/2009, 7:23 AM

You can say that about many sports.

Anyway enjoy cricket & hurling!
Happily see the former played at Croke and the latter at Clontarf/Stormont(if possible!)....

Den Perry

10/08/2009, 9:41 AM

DeLorean

10/08/2009, 9:57 AM

Hid comments yesterday were typical of the narrowminded s hite that some GAA heads come out with. Sheflin was beeing booed and he commented along the lines of that not being regular at hurling and someting you'd associate with soccer. Are these cretins so insecure that they have to knock another sport to promote their own?

But there is a lot of stupid booing in soccer. I wouldn't take it too much to heart. To be fair as well l I think the crowd yeaterday were booing the bad referring decision and not Shefflin.

Den Perry

10/08/2009, 10:29 AM

But there is a lot of stupid booing in soccer. I wouldn't take it too much to heart. To be fair as well l I think the crowd yeaterday were booing the bad referring decision and not Shefflin.

Whether there is a lot of stupid booing in soccer or not, there is no need for that clown to mention it. I'm sorry but I am taking it to heart...its typical of the self righteous ****e that some of the hurling commentators / analysts come out with...by the way there is a lot of booing in rugby and gaelic football also. why didn'y he mention them? For the record, I think the fans were booing Shefflin

jbyrne

10/08/2009, 10:46 AM

For the record, I think the fans were booing Shefflin

i agree. he took a dive. thought every 50/50 went kilkennys way yesterday

reder

10/08/2009, 10:52 AM

But there is a lot of stupid booing in soccer. I wouldn't take it too much to heart. To be fair as well l I think the crowd yeaterday were booing the bad referring decision and not Shefflin.

I watched a whole 20 mins of GAA football the other week as I was a guest in someone elses home and couldnt really avoid it. It was the Dublin V Kerry match and I use the 'V' in the loosest sense of the word. At half time the Dublin fans booed their team off the pitch. In all my years of watching football games (real football I mean), I have never heard booing like it. The others in the room, most of whom were GAA fans, even commented on it.

DeLorean

10/08/2009, 11:38 AM

i agree. he took a dive. thought every 50/50 went kilkennys way yesterday

I don't even think it was Shefflin that was "fouled" though. If it was the one out by the sideline that looked like a fair shoulder and should have just been a sideline to Waterford. That referee is a joke anyway, come on like what would a Westmeath man know about Hurling:D Most of the yellow cards he gave were really petty. I did mention my dislike for him before...

That Westmeath fella Barry Kelly is the pits altogether.

Having said that I've seen him have worse games than yesterday and I don't think he influenced the result too much as KK always looked like they would answer anything Waterford could produce.

As for the booing there's plenty of it in the GAA alright, but nothing compared to the soccer where one guy could be booed for 90mins and I don't have a huge problem with a commentator making a fairly isolated comment about it.

paul_oshea

10/08/2009, 1:10 PM

I watched a whole 20 mins of GAA football the other week as I was a guest in someone elses home and couldnt really avoid it. It was the Dublin V Kerry match and I use the 'V' in the loosest sense of the word. At half time the Dublin fans booed their team off the pitch. In all my years of watching football games (real football I mean), I have never heard booing like it. The others in the room, most of whom were GAA fans, even commented on it.

They are Dublin soccer fans, on a day out in croker. ;)

Neish

11/08/2009, 12:09 AM

IMO: Hurling when it played well is a great game to watch (and would probably come third in my fav to watch after association football and rugby union), but gaelic football is usually awful.

Hurling is quick, can be very skilfull and almost completly unique as a sport, where gaelic football is often slow and boring to watch and just an Irish version of a ball game. The over macho element of gaelic (also in hurling but not top the extent it is in football) where regularly you have to guys pushing and sholduring each other when the ball is doen the other end of the pitch. Also I often see gaelic fotball game where a team is leading by a point or tow with a few minutes left and instead of passing the ball amongst them selfs thus kepping it off the opposition the players insist on humping the ball up the feild often losing possession

paul_oshea

11/08/2009, 2:37 PM

your whole post there is looking at gaelic football from a soccer point of view. :)

At the end of the day the reason people who play, like and watch it is because they consider it a mans game as oppossed to soccer, and they have generally played and/or are in decent shape as oppossed to a lot of people i have seen who knock it i.e. overweight bear belly soccer supporters :D

Ive played both, and i still "play" a little bit of gaelic(cant play soccer anymore unfortunately), I was less useless at soccer, so that leaves me in a position to comment objectively :D

kingdom hoop

11/08/2009, 3:56 PM

At the end of the day the reason people who play, like and watch it is because they consider it a mans game as oppossed to soccer

Oh dearie me... :rolleyes:

There are many reasons I play, like and watch it - "manliness" never comes into it. Anyone I've ever played alongside is the same.

Why I might hate the GAA... the annoying and usually non-constructive arguments that stem from either inaccurate, lazy and sweeping generalisations (see above for an example), or from the endless us v them (whether within the sport or between sports). Overall for me though, the benefits greatly outweigh such negatives.

paul_oshea

11/08/2009, 9:12 PM

KH, anyone ive ever met always says that to me, id say half the time its tongue in cheek the other half it isnt. And yes I am being serious there. Ive been a county PRO before so I know there are some amount of eejits out there.

Obviously though the rest of the post was tongue in cheek. touch�, oh dearie me :rolleyes:

kingdom hoop

12/08/2009, 10:16 AM

Obviously though the rest of the post was tongue in cheek.

Yes I knew that, and apologies for not keeping the same tone going. But I get annoyed when people peddle that kind of rubbish, whether it's light-hearted or serious. You're only perpetuating the issue by making light of it yourself.
Personally, I favour a "beat them" rather than a "join them" approach. :)

paul_oshea

12/08/2009, 11:40 AM

So you do agree its about beating them then...ok sorry I just had to. :D

MeathDrog

20/08/2009, 3:10 PM

Had this written to me by some Gah head on another site. I don't even know where to begin. :rolleyes:

its a far more physical game then soccer and thats a fact. the tackle is perfectly fine.
i watched my school team play in the senier leinster schools final at oriel park and it was like torture. are supporters didnt even bother to sing and half of them are those so called "diehard" drogheda united supporters!
now compare that to when they were playing in the louth schools final there was an amazing atmosphere and a deadly game of football to watch!
i think those soccer fans there who thaught badly of gaeilic changed their views after that.
in case you havent noticed but most people who go to soccer matches in ireland dont even like soccer and only want to throw bottles at opposition supporters or pick on small groups of them.

John83

20/08/2009, 4:16 PM

in case you havent noticed but most people who go to soccer matches in ireland dont even like soccer and only want to throw bottles at opposition supporters or pick on small groups of them.The stupid, it burns.

Neish

20/08/2009, 10:27 PM

Magicme

20/08/2009, 11:03 PM

Philip Vaughan. That is the reason.

MeathDrog

21/08/2009, 12:20 PM

We have another reply from the same Gah head. I must invite him to this place. :D:D:D

u stupid? i was talking about the leinster soccer final in oriel park.
u saying drogheda fans dontt smoke weed and worse still before matches ad juring?
i personally know ppl that have!
i understand that we dont have as much chants as soccer fans but we dont make up chants like "if ur from dundalk then ur in to heroin....."
against mayo we were singing away in a manger,
come on you boys in green(obviously)
beautiful meath,
when the royals go marching in,
a few others about individual players,
you'll nvr beat the royals!,
and a few about mayo when some of their supporters started shouting ****e about meath.....

its not much in comparison to drogheda united but remember we have a very entertaining and exiting match to watch so a song every 2mins isnt needed.

u keep playing that foreign game and keep telling yourself its better but mostr ppl who play both prefer our national sport!

gspain

21/08/2009, 12:36 PM

We have another reply from the same Gah head. I must invite him to this place. :D:D:D

Please don't. Anyone who thinks bigotball is exciting is in serious need of help.

They'll be ploughing up United Park next.

Source

21/08/2009, 1:34 PM

[QUOTE=gspain;1216097]Please don't. Anyone who thinks bigotball is exciting is in serious need of help.

The so called Gah head is probably only 7 or 8.
I assume your not much older going by your comments.

Do you not think your being a little narrow minded there, saying that there is something wrong with a person who finds another sport interesting & exciting.

I bet when a girl turns you down, you say to your mates she must be a lesbian and is in serious need of help. :D

paul_oshea

21/08/2009, 2:17 PM

Its a very childish arguement alright, but in fairness he is right, more people do prefer gaelic football in this country.

bennocelt

21/08/2009, 9:05 PM

Its a very childish arguement alright, but in fairness he is right, more people do prefer gaelic football in this country.

yeah and FF are in power...........and people worship bits of wood in Limerick..........:eek:

Neish

22/08/2009, 10:03 AM

Its a very childish arguement alright, but in fairness he is right, more people do prefer gaelic football in this country.

Yeah but the vast majority of them can also be seen screaming at a TV when Liverpool, Celtic, Man U, Aresnal etc are playing.I Know its been seen many time before but its still a classic and IMO sums up the many of many GAA supporters

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KOo7HznCCw8/ReGM82qiGtI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/FBdgfS_hAfo/s400/croke.jpg

Source

22/08/2009, 4:49 PM

I don't think anyone would consider that gobsh*t a Gah fan.
Was he not from the RSF, you would hardly call any of them Gah fans. They only support Celtic because they somehow think they are Irish.

I would be surprised if anyone in that group ever went to a match in this country no matter what sport it was.

ArdeeBhoy

23/08/2009, 7:16 PM

Not really sure I understand the last post;a little history may be called for.

Having had experience of the FAI/IFA, GAA and even the ICU, they all have their pros and cons. It's difficult to say one sport is better than another though.

Soccer is obviously the world game, hurling requires skill and athleticism beyond belief, cricket is followed by millions (only thanks to the old BE) whilst Gaelic football is Gaelic football.....followed by hundreds of thousands on the island.

And in spite of their own relative merits, certainly the soccer/GAA have been run by some relative eejits over the years, which is the main thing they have in common.

rebus2008

23/08/2009, 8:12 PM

Yeah but the vast majority of them can also be seen screaming at a TV when Liverpool, Celtic, Man U, Aresnal etc are playing.I Know its been seen many time before but its still a classic and IMO sums up the many of many GAA supporters

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KOo7HznCCw8/ReGM82qiGtI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/FBdgfS_hAfo/s400/croke.jpg

in fairness, i think you are clutching at straws if you think that moron is avid gaa fan. He was wheeled out o pub by RSF to chain their slogans. Sure look at the clothes on the sign weilding donkey - trailer trash irish style

Vast majority of gaa fans were in favour of opening croker. I'd be actively involved and have yet to meet someone in local club level who would have preferred our national teams to play home games abroad.