Things you don't like about LOI

[Hairy Bowsie]

I'd like to complain about the lack of decent vegetarian food at matches.

To quote Frankie Boyle "there is a vegetarian option.............you can f*ck off"

[Umberside]

To quote Frankie Boyle "their is a vegetarian option.............you can f*ck off"

You couldn't pick a more pessimistic person.

[punkrocket]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie http://foot.ie/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://foot.ie/forums/showthread.php?p=1195829#post1195829)
To quote Frankie Boyle "their is a vegetarian option.............you can f*ck off"


Seems like you have moved out off your gaff in the Moral High Ground then.

[endabob1]

Are you actually suggesting there is some sort of comparable nature between LOI fans and barstoolers?
Anyways the whole arguement is a non runner.
The whole basis of clubs is to represent their community, that is the core bedrock of the majority of the football world.
The whole corporate entity that the likes of Merchandise United has created is an obsenity, it means that now it is acceptable to come from Beijing and support the local club of Manchester as its "footballing product" is superior.
In that case if it is indeed acceptable and indeed considered only wise to do so then the only logical outcome of this globalisation process of the footballing world is that you will be left with a hand full of enormous mega clubs that provide the "footballing product" so craved after and then the weaker domestic leagues will wither away and die including the weaker clubs even in a strong league because it is deemed logical to support the super entities giving that "footballing product".
A completely reprehensible reason for support teams that are not from your community and will only lead to the dissolution of domestic football as we know it.
So do not even attempt to draw some moral equivilancey between barstoolers who are consumerist football "supporters" who wear a Chelsea jersey no different to how they wear an armani top, because the brand is good and LOI supporters who support their domestic and local clubs.
We are football supporters, barstoolers are consumers.
And if indeed you still do buy into the whole arguement that barstoolers are only seeking a "superior footballing experience" then do ask them why they dont support the Brazilian National Team instead of the ROI?
A football club is the extension of its local community just as a National Team is the extension of the Nation, its black and white.
So please do come up with some better barstooler drivel as to why they sing in English accents in Irish pubs to foreign teams whos real fans despise them.

While that's a terrific rant you might want to re-read my post, there's only a couple of lines so it shouldn't be that difficult.
http://foot.ie/forums/showpost.php?p=1195136&postcount=70

Within the same paragraph you claim that the elitism is a load of "Bullcrap" but then you go on to say how much better you are than everyone else 3 times! I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of your post, I have no issues with you feeling superior to a non LOI football fan but don't try to claim that you don't love the superiority you feel because of it. Based on your little tirdae above you clearly absolutely revel in it.

[The Betting Man]

That everytime there is a game live on Telly Alan Kelly is the ref

[sligoman]

How some people still call it the eircom League.

[KevB76]

That everytime there is a game live on Telly Alan Kelly is the ref

In fairness, he only got lastnights match because the ref originally assigned (Ian Stokes) was injured.

[irishultra]

How some people still call it the eircom League.

FFS yeah, its the irish league for the last time:D

[Scram]

I don't like that it can easily be mispelt as LOL

:)

[John83]

How some people still call it the eircom League.
I don't do that, but I've caught myself typing eL a few times. It was a handy shortcut. LoI is a little more clumsy to type.

[marinobohs]

That everytime there is a game live on Telly Alan Kelly is the ref

just Alan Kelly. TV or not

[ger121]

Lack of a magazine or books on the league

Media coverage,only focus on the bad news

The way some clubs treat away fans like they're all criminals

[thischarmingman]

I don't do that, but I've caught myself typing eL a few times. It was a handy shortcut. LoI is a little more clumsy to type.

I constantly catch myself saying "Eircom League," or more lately, "Eirc-League of Ireland."

[joema]

I hate the incredibly tedious and regularly ill informed UEFA co-efficient conversations.

If I had my way, they'd be banned on this forum!

[Dunny]

-.00345 for that remark...

[John83]

-.00345 for that remark...
That's numberwang.

[Dunny]

That's numberwang.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/13/Numberwang.jpg

[longfordjames]

The lack of quality and quantity of toilets in all grounds (especially tolka)I dont pay £15 to stand on **** in the dark.

[Dunny]

P**s on the seats then. If anything it would make them cleaner.

[blueblood]

Not enough goals! (especially from Limerick this season:D)

[Raheny Red]

The lack of quality and quantity of toilets in all grounds (especially tolka)I dont pay £15 to stand on **** in the dark.

Would you prefer to stand in **** if you could see it in the light?! :eek:

[Hairy Bowsie]

The lack of quality and quantity of toilets in all grounds (especially tolka)I dont pay £15 to stand on **** in the dark.

We don't charge in pounds.

[peadar1987]

We don't charge in pounds.

The European Union hasn't reached the midlands yet. I was in Mullingar last week and they're still struggling with decimalisation
[/good natured banter]

[MeathDrog]

We don't charge in pounds.
Wouldn't matter to you anyway.

[longfordjames]

Would you prefer to stand in **** if you could see it in the light?! :eek:

As Tesco says "every little helps"

[the-blue-harp]

i think anyone who looks at football as a "product" needs a good kicking.

[roinuj]

the one thing i hate about our football is summer football.
i use to love the dark cold nights heading to the match and the glare of the floodlights greeting you as you get nearer the ground, and the hot soup and sambo at half time,
summer footie is a joke.

[Hooples]

Travelling on the 75 from dun laoghaire to dublin. if ever a journey reinforced the stereotype of LOI supporter as social outcast...:(

[Hooples]

...from dun laoghaire to tallaght i should say. or else i'd just be hijacking the bus everytime

[Da Real Rover]

While that's a terrific rant you might want to re-read my post, there's only a couple of lines so it shouldn't be that difficult.
http://foot.ie/forums/showpost.php?p=1195136&postcount=70
Your post is irrelevant as it completely misinterprets what I said as you do it again here.

Within the same paragraph you claim that the elitism is a load of "Bullcrap"
I said.....

As for the eletist remark, that is just an absolute bullcrap cop out.
Hence its a cop out, its a no go, its not the reason why barstoolers dont go to games, its another spurious excuse why barstoolers dont go to games.
I never denied that there is not an element of eletism but that is just a bullcrap cop out.

but then you go on to say how much better you are than everyone else 3 times!
Oh no, not everyone.
Just those who support corporate entities, and in a footballing supporter sense of the word.

I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of your post, I have no issues with you feeling superior to a non LOI football fan but don't try to claim that you don't love the superiority you feel because of it. Based on your little tirdae above you clearly absolutely revel in it.
No hypocricy at all to it.
I never denied that LOI fans are superior in a footballing supporter sense of the word to barstoolers.
I just pointed out that because some, like myself, do revel in the superiority of the LOI supporter experience that the excuse by barstoolers that LOI are eletist is the reason they support corporate entities is bullcrap. Like as was pointed out before that once you start going to LOI games you instantly lose the stigma of being a barstooler so that excuse is irrelevant and as was pointed out at the start absolute bullcrap.

[Da Real Rover]

While I agree with some of what you've said about "barstoolers", what you have written above may once have been true in football's halcyon days, but it is true no longer. I'd wager that if the board of any club (outside Dublin at least) announced that they were no longer signing any player from outside "their community", there would be a (LOI -sized) clamour to have that board ousted.

Fans want success, and while achieving success with a team of local players is obviously the perfect fantasy, if you have to choose between the two, success will win every time.

You can look at most LOI clubs and find a couple of players who don't represent "their community" any more than Rooney represents Manchester or Ballack represents London. And if LOI teams had the money to buy players as good (compared to the general level) as them, you can be damn sure they would - some of them even do it without having the money.

And I'm pretty sure if Sligo (or any other LOI team) had a couple of hundred English people flying over to watch every home game and parading around the UK in their LOI shirts, we'd be delighted with their money.

There is a difference between choosing to represent your community and being forced to depend on it. The LOI is definitely the latter.
There is definetly an element of truth in that.
But that arguement is largely dependant on the fact that a club representing its community must have players in their team of that community.
Im not advocating that at all, all im stating is that a local club is the extension of its community. But I do not see the playing staff as dependant on that at all.
This arguement could be consistent with supporting ones national team as nationality as it was once seen is now being changed where we see Nigerians playing for Poland, Brazilians playing for Tunisia, Ghanians playing for France, Americans playing for Italy, Brazilians playing for Angola etc.(Above all look at the Jack Charlton era).
It could be argued that many of those players who are "naturalised" etc do not represent the nation they play for but IMO that in no way lessens the significance of the National Team in representing a nation and being an extension of the nation.

[John83]

Travelling on the 75 from dun laoghaire to dublin. if ever a journey reinforced the stereotype of LOI supporter as social outcast...:(
That bus route always makes me think of Martin Sheen's journey in Apocalypse Now.

[ped_ped]

The fact that we lose all our best players to England.

I know in a weaker league this cant be helped, but Cork would be competing in the Champions League if they could take back the players they've sold...

[Umberside]

The fact that we lose all our best players to England.

I know in a weaker league this cant be helped, but Cork would be competing in the Champions League if they could take back the players they've sold...

A partnership of Kevin Doyle and Roy O'Donovan with Dave Mooney on the bench would give us the best strike partnership in the league.

How we still have Dan Murray I'll never know.

[jeff24]

cork - but that will be sorted soon

[roinuj]

The lack of quality and quantity of toilets in all grounds (especially tolka)I dont pay £15 to stand on **** in the dark.


you havent been to the rsc then?
toilets on both sides of the ground are second to none.
probably the best equipped ground in the league.

[Umberside]

you havent been to the rsc then?
toilets on both sides of the ground are second to none.
probably the best equipped ground in the league.

There's a lot more things there though than just a football stadium. If I'm not mistaken there is an athletics track and a swimming pool there too.

[joema]

probably the best equipped ground in the league.

Some of what your smoking please!

[roinuj]

Some of what your smoking please!

it is the best equipped ground by a mile,
it has everything a football ground needs.

[Schumi]

Some of what your smoking please!

Where else can you practice your long jump while watching a game?

[De Town]

Where else can you practice your long jump while watching a game?

Santry ;)

[Dunny]

Barstool to the toilet?

[roversforever]

Sean Connor.

[Mayo Red]

Sean Connor.

Seconded!!

[endabob1]

Your post is irrelevant as it completely misinterprets what I said as you do it again here.

I said.....

Hence its a cop out, its a no go, its not the reason why barstoolers dont go to games, its another spurious excuse why barstoolers dont go to games.
I never denied that there is not an element of eletism but that is just a bullcrap cop out.

Oh no, not everyone.
Just those who support corporate entities, and in a footballing supporter sense of the word.

No hypocricy at all to it.
I never denied that LOI fans are superior in a footballing supporter sense of the word to barstoolers.
I just pointed out that because some, like myself, do revel in the superiority of the LOI supporter experience that the excuse by barstoolers that LOI are eletist is the reason they support corporate entities is bullcrap. Like as was pointed out before that once you start going to LOI games you instantly lose the stigma of being a barstooler so that excuse is irrelevant and as was pointed out at the start absolute bullcrap.

That you, the fact that you don't get how your attitude can completely ostracize potential support is what astounds me.
You're quite happy for the league to remain small-time and shambolic as long as no-one else comes to watch.


But anyways I like that it is not a hobby horse for bandwagoner event sluts, its our thing.

That one line sums it up, anytime anyone suggests a change it's immediately viewed with scepticism as it might take away from your personal enjoyment, f--k the fact that the league is dying on it's ar$e with clubs going into administration every 5 minutes, we don’t want any “bandwagoner event sluts” despite the fact that their cash through the gate might be the difference between survival & extinction.

You remind me of the indie-kid in school who always had to be the first person into a band and whenever they had a hit he would instantly drop them as being a sell-out.
Like I say I have no problem with the fact that you feel superior to “barstoolers” because you are a “proper” football fan but if you think that this attitude doesn’t deter people from taking an interest or attending games then I think you’re sadly mistaken.

[brianw82]

we don’t want any “bandwagoner event sluts” despite the fact that their cash through the gate might be the difference between survival & extinction.

None of these folk were turned away from Dalymount last Wednesday.


if you think that this attitude doesn’t deter people from taking an interest or attending games then I think you’re sadly mistaken.

Even if it does, it's hardly one of the main reasons. As with your indie rock example, if I go to a heavy metal concert in a Metallica shirt and someone in a Burzum longsleeve thinks, "WTF is that poser doing here?", who cares? You'd want to be pretty thin-skinned to let something like that bother you.

[stann]

There's a lot more things there though than just a football stadium. If I'm not mistaken there is an athletics track and a swimming pool there too.

That was only there briefly a couple of Saturdays ago when Harps were on their way down. :D

No, the pool is quite some way away.
Facilities-wise the RSC is top notch though. Plenty of rooms under both stands for hospitality, press conferences or whatever, wi-fi hotspots and interweb connections out the ying-yang, and the dressing rooms, I've been told by players several times, are the best in the league.
A small stand at each end would really take the bare look off the place, that and about a thousand extra people in there. :(

[Da Real Rover]

That you, the fact that you don't get how your attitude can completely ostracize potential support is what astounds me.
You're quite happy for the league to remain small-time and shambolic as long as no-one else comes to watch.

Such a pathetic excuse for barstoolers buying into the prostitution of the EPL.
The very fact that LOI ground were sell out crowds 50 years ago with up on 20,000 attending games rubishes this theory.
People left the LOI for the glamour and consumerist EPL for its flashy lights and prawn sandwichs, not because of "eletism".

That one line sums it up, anytime anyone suggests a change it's immediately viewed with scepticism as it might take away from your personal enjoyment,
Sorry are you dictating to LOI fans how thier clubs and their League should be run?

f--k the fact that the league is dying on it's ar$e with clubs going into administration every 5 minutes,
Pffft clubs are always dying, they have been dying since they were founded.
Its nothing new and its nothing confined to the LOI, do you want me to list out to you the 10 most indebted clubs in the world, im sure you will find the information interesting.

we don’t want any “bandwagoner event sluts” despite the fact that their cash through the gate might be the difference between survival & extinction.
Ehh I think il go with the better administration option instead of putting our survival in the hands of Barstoolers.

You remind me of the indie-kid in school who always had to be the first person into a band and whenever they had a hit he would instantly drop them as being a sell-out.
I think you will find that it is LOI fans who stick with their teams through thick and thin and its the barstoolers who have such transient support because of such superficial reasons for supporting clubs such as, "they have an Irish player" etc.

Like I say I have no problem with the fact that you feel superior to “barstoolers” because you are a “proper” football fan but if you think that this attitude doesn’t deter people from taking an interest or attending games then I think you’re sadly mistaken.
As is your opinion but I disagree.
Especially when you look at the history of football support in Ireland.
Not to mention my own personel experience with barstoolers who have never once given "eletism" as an excuse to avoid attending ones national league.

[endabob1]

Such a pathetic excuse for barstoolers buying into the prostitution of the EPL.

It's a point that has been raised on this thread;

Just to add I am not a "barstooler", I do attend LOI games , when I get time, primarily Sligo Rovers and Limerick games , both clubs with an elitist attitude among some of their fans..

I happen to agree with this and I don't believe it's anything like a cop out, and if you really wanted more people to come to the league you would take opinions of a spectrum of people and not just those who sit beside you at the games.


The very fact that LOI ground were sell out crowds 50 years ago with up on 20,000 attending games rubishes this theory. People left the LOI for the glamour and consumerist EPL for its flashy lights and prawn sandwichs, not because of "eletism".

That's a rediculous argument, 50 years ago there was a cold war no RTE television barely any European competition, it's like comparing a Model T ford with an F1 car. The 20,000 crowds is a thing of much debate to start with but how about an alternative view on history; People left because the best players moved to England for money and better standards and the LOI simply got left behind by not moving with the times? Sky has only become a dominant force in the last 15 year, attendances were on the decline in England all during the hooligan invested 80's being a football fan was not a trendy thing to do, there was no badge of honour involved, but attendances here were already shot to pieces


Sorry are you dictating to LOI fans how thier clubs and their League should be run?

I didn't realise you were actively involved in the running of a club or the league, I am merely putting my opinion forward on areas that need to be improved, that is if you want your league to be improved?



Pffft clubs are always dying, they have been dying since they were founded. Its nothing new and its nothing confined to the LOI, do you want me to list out to you the 10 most indebted clubs in the world, im sure you will find the information interesting.
Go on do a list and when you're doing it include the number of versions of Cork we've had and the number of versions of Limerick we've had, the 2nd & 3rd cities in the country incapable of supporting a team for more than a couple of decades at a time.



Ehh I think il go with the better administration option instead of putting our survival in the hands of Barstoolers. so you would rather go bust than watch your team alongside "barstoolers"..... This is my point from the start. I guess yo umust be glad you're not a Cork City fan today.


I think you will find that it is LOI fans who stick with their teams through thick and thin and its the barstoolers who have such transient support because of such superficial reasons for supporting clubs such as, "they have an Irish player" etc.
No one doubts your loyalty now, but what if you were playing to 20,000 a week all those Shels v Deportivo event junkies coming out of the wall like the rovers supporting Dublin Taxi drivers, from all of your posts I think it's crystal clear that you would hate it.


As is your opinion but I disagree.
Especially when you look at the history of football support in Ireland.
Not to mention my own personel experience with barstoolers who have never once given "eletism" as an excuse to avoid attending ones national league.

Well my experience is clearly different, I've watched LOI football with EPL fans who would watch games at Mels on a Friday night and spend Sunday screaming at a TV, but I know people (and this site has further evidenced it), who would cite the "attitude" of some LOI fans as a reason they wouldn't go to or go back to games.

[The Betting Man]

That teams get wound up while in the premier divison and get the best crowds in the league