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[RonnieB]

there on the rte radio 1 sports news. Not a mention of the upcoming games tonight. Plenty of info on the new TV deal for Scottish clubs though and Liverpool. **** this country sometimes.

[Karl Phillips]

All, when are you going to get it. THEY DON'T CARE :mad: down through the years I have rang them, E Mailed them, spoke to the presenters, There is an agenda here and it is quite obvious. There is a story doing the rounds that the FAI in some way are paying for MNS, otherwise it would be a total blackout. What happened to the to the Friday night radio show on medium wave :confused:

[Dodge]

There is a story doing the rounds that the FAI in some way are paying for MNS, otherwise it would be a total blackout. What happened to the to the Friday night radio show on medium wave :confused:

Medium wave is gone.

And the FAI have been very upfront about saying they are paying for MNS

[Sheridan]

Con Murphy said the notion that FAI were funding MNS was "sheer fantasy", I don't believe him for a second. Head of Sport at RTÉ told me Friday Sportsnight's listenership was 2,000, I don't believe that for a second either.

[belfastred]

Medium wave is gone.

And the FAI have been very upfront about saying they are paying for MNS

Anyone any idea how much a show like MNS costs to put together?

[Sheridan]

The inference from the FAI has been that they agreed to forgo €4 million from their deal with RTÉ in return for MNS going on in prime time.

[thischarmingman]

Derry and Pats kick off their EL campaigns tonight. Derry kick off in about 3 and a half hours, Pats in about 5 and a half, and there is still no previews, team news etc on RTE website. Top stories as of 2:30 today- Lucio Interter deal, SPL TV rights deal and Hughes hits back at Fergie taunts.

[irishultra]

there on the rte radio 1 sports news. Not a mention of the upcoming games tonight. Plenty of info on the new TV deal for Scottish clubs though and Liverpool. **** this country sometimes.

Great day for Irish football. Now all our medium talented players can join arbroath town and reith rovers.

*these teams may or may not exist*

ok i know this is not the place for it but compare support for rugby and soccer here. if you said i don't follow leinster i support toulouse or londonirish(:rolleyes:) people would be like WTF, however in football, supporting british clubs(ever notice the way people generally don't 'support' other teams from around europe, they just have an interest in them) is seemed as the normal and acceptable of occurences even from the most jingoistic tossers.

[John83]

Great day for Irish football. Now all our medium talented players can join arbroath town and reith rovers.

*these teams may or may not exist*
Amusingly, Reith Rovers does exists, but is a women's team.

[wexfordned]

Sent an email to RTE about not showing bohs. Here is what I got back:

RTE TV Sport has made a massive commitment to Irish soccer. In our current agreement with the FAI, we will have another 4½ years of MNS every Monday during the season from March to November.
We will be increasing our coverage of League of Ireland and FAI cup football over the same period as follows:

2009 - 13 games

2010
– 18 games

2011
– 23 games

2012
– 28 games

2013
– 33 games

This shows RTE’s massive coverage plans to the game here in Ireland.

In addition RTE will have every home World Cup and European qualifier up to November 2013.

It is true that RTE will not be showing the Bohemians game. That is because our champions league coverage commences with the 3rd qualifying round.
In the current economic climate we can’t do everything. However, we are satisfied that our commitment to Irish soccer is comprehgensive and truly reflects a commitment to use the license fee in support of the domestic game.

Many thanks for your kind comments as regards MNS.

Kind regards,

Stephen Alkin

[thischarmingman]

Actually rather a terse response there. I think Stephen Alkin may have been reading the forum. RTE should have shown the game last night, but whatever reasons they may have to justify not showing it, the shoddy way the "report" was thrown together last night on the news was unforgiveable.

[Schumi]

our champions league coverage commences with the 3rd qualifying round.

Coincidentally, that's the earliest stage that an English team can enter.

[Straightstory]

'It is true that RTE will not be showing the Bohemians game. That is because our champions league coverage commences with the 3rd qualifying round'.

That's fantastic. Our national broadcaster joins the competition just at the stage when Irish clubs are not likely to be involved anymore. We live in the strangest and maddest country in the world.

[Duggie]

It is true that RTE will not be showing the Bohemians game. That is because our champions league coverage commences with the 3rd qualifying round.

ya when the english and scottish teams can be shown.

[pól-dcfc]

Are Celtic in the 3rd qualifying round this year? I'm blissfully ignorant of whether or not 2 Scottish teams get in this season. Hopefully they are, Bohs go through, and are scheduled to play on the same night as Celtic. Then we'll see the true face of RTÉ.

[Duggie]

Are Celtic in the 3rd qualifying round this year? I'm blissfully ignorant of whether or not 2 Scottish teams get in this season. Hopefully they are, Bohs go through, and are scheduled to play on the same night as Celtic. Then we'll see the true face of RTÉ.

ya they are....they would have to show the bohs game though if they go through.

[pól-dcfc]

ya they are....they would have to show the bohs game though if they go through.

Do you think? The Celtic fans would go bananas. It'd be great.

[Boo_Boy]

Are Celtic in the 3rd qualifying round this year? I'm blissfully ignorant of whether or not 2 Scottish teams get in this season. Hopefully they are, Bohs go through, and are scheduled to play on the same night as Celtic. Then we'll see the true face of RTÉ.

Yes they are.

Watch now, Bohs will draw Celtic and RTE will dodge it.

[Sheridan]

They would be contractually obliged to, and also to act as host broadcaster for any Irish team that qualified for the CL proper. Stephen Alkin explained that to me once, and it was obvious he considered it a heart-breaking imposition.

[pól-dcfc]

They would be contractually obliged to, and also to act as host broadcaster for any Irish team that qualified for the CL proper. Stephen Alkin explained that to me once, and it was obvious he considered it a heart-breaking imposition.

Sound man. Fingers crossed!

[pineapple stu]

Watch now, Bohs will draw Celtic and RTE will dodge it.
Why would RTÉ dodge an Irish team coming to their doorstep to play?

[Scram]

Are Celtic in the 3rd qualifying round this year? I'm blissfully ignorant of whether or not 2 Scottish teams get in this season. Hopefully they are, Bohs go through, and are scheduled to play on the same night as Celtic. Then we'll see the true face of RTÉ.

Celtic have to qualify AFAIK.

Amazes me though that so many LOI are so bitter against Celtic. They are far from the cause of LOI problems.

ps. RTE are more likely even to show Glasgow Rangers games than LOI! they just have it SO wrong. There is great interest even among non LOI regulars in any Irish team in Europe.

[dong]

Actually rather a terse response there. I think Stephen Alkin may have been reading the forum. RTE should have shown the game last night, but whatever reasons they may have to justify not showing it, the shoddy way the "report" was thrown together last night on the news was unforgiveable.
That's exactly the point. I e mailed the pr1cks as well on it. Got a very bog standard reply which was cc'd to Stephen Alkin.

[irishultra]

Celtic have to qualify AFAIK.

Amazes me though that so many LOI are so bitter against Celtic. They are far from the cause of LOI problems.

ps. RTE are more likely even to show Glasgow Rangers games than LOI! they just have it SO wrong. There is great interest even among non LOI regulars in any Irish team in Europe.

Look I have no care for Celtic and wouldn't begrudge an Irish person supporting them, its their free choice, its the patriotic idiots who think supporting Celtic is supporting an 'Irish' team. You will see these goons with Irish flags with Celtic crests on them.

And nah Glasgow Rangers definetly wouldn't be shown by RTE over a LOI team, Celtic would be though if it was possible.

[CMcC]

Yes they are.

Watch now, Bohs will draw Celtic and RTE will dodge it.

Bohs cant draw Celtic in the 3rd round.

[elroy]

If Setanta Ireland were in better shape, they probably wouldve showed last nights game and next tues night as well.

[eamo1]

To Mr Alkin or whoever from RTE is reading this:
As somebody who is paying your salary i request you make an adjustment to your budget drop 1 week of "The Premiership" and instead show Bohs 2nd leg in the C.L Live.
Yours Sincerely,
E.B.

[Penfold]

I'm listening to drive-time sport on radio1, so I'm going to ping Des Cahill an email to see if he has the guts to address this shambles on air. But I doubt his Fat GAA disposition will be up to it.

Pen

[DannyInvincible]

If Setanta Ireland were in better shape, they probably wouldve showed last nights game and next tues night as well.

I think RTÉ have the exclusive rights to all Champions League games (including qualifiers) though, meaning only they could have broadcast it live in Ireland. To show it, I'm guessing that Setanta would have had to have purchased rights to show all games. That's my understanding anyway. Maybe I'm incorrect ...

Edit: This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UEFA_Champions_League_broadcasters) might provide the answer to someone who can make better sense of it than me. But it does seem that Setanta Ireland could have shown the game as RTÉ decided not to, seeing as Setanta Ireland look to have some sort of deal with UEFA allowing them to pay to broadcast games in Ireland, as long as it's not a game RTÉ have first decided to show.

[Mayo Red]

They were at it again on the Six One News yesterday evening, Derry and Pats got the briefest of mentions right at the end of the sports report, a quick fart would have lasted longer!! It was all about the golf and the Tour de France even got a decent mention ffs!!

[Dalymountrower]

Seems that RTE have now contacted Bohs about the rights to show next weeks Salzburg game. Maybe the e-mails had an effect, cheers!

[Hairy Bowsie]

I hope they told RTE where to go? :D

Or at least offered it to TV3 at a slightly reduced price first.

[BohDiddley]

I hope they told RTE where to go? :D

Or at least offered it to TV3 at a slightly reduced price first.

So first you say that we shouldn't complain (http://foot.ie/forums/showpost.php?p=1192827&postcount=2)that it's not on, then when people do and it has shows some possibility of having some impact you want to block it? Odd.

[Hairy Bowsie]

So first you say that we shouldn't complain (http://foot.ie/forums/showpost.php?p=1192827&postcount=2)that it's not on, then when people do and it has shows some possibility of having some impact you want to block it? Odd.

See the thing at the end of my post there, thats a smilie. It looks like this ---> :D. That really should have gave it away.

[BohDiddley]

So you do want it on. Excellent news.

[Hairy Bowsie]

I'd like to see it on, i won't get to watch it myself though. Still don't think the complaints are worth the effort though and i don't believe they had anything to do with RTE deciding to show the game after all.

[Sheridan]

Judging by an email (a load of spurious b0llocks, as you'd expect) I just got from Alkin, RTÉ still aren't screening the game.

[Hairy Bowsie]

Judging by an email (a load of spurious b0llocks, as you'd expect) I just got from Alkin, RTÉ still aren't screening the game.

And they're dead right too, who wants to watch that rubbish? :mad:


Ah i'll stop now, i've even confused myself at this stage (no points for remarking how easy a task it is) :D

Does anyone know what the average viewership figures are for LoI games?

[Dalymountrower]

Judging by an email (a load of spurious b0llocks, as you'd expect) I just got from Alkin, RTÉ still aren't screening the game.

Looks like they are messing us about alright. Doubt whether they would show the next round either if we were to get through. Like a lot of Public Bodies RTE will stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that it got it wrong.
Anyway, more money available to them to send Diddy Hamilton and Ray Houghton to Russia to follow the Glasgow Team.
In fairness to Setanta they have apparently said that will step in and show it anyway if RTE walk. ( as will Austrian TV.).

[BohDiddley]

Neil O'Riordan saying both RTE and Setanta have seen the light.
http://betdiary.com/thebigo/2009/07/17/162/

[sonofstan]

Finally got a reply from RTE to the email I sent just after i posted the OP in this thread. here it is:

Dear Stan,

Many thanks for your email.

We fully understand your frustration and annoyance over the lack of coverage of the Bohemians Champions League tie. Unfortunately, RTE News relies heavily on the Sports Programming department when it comes to games that are not being shown live on TV, either by ourselves or by another broadcaster. The fact that Bohemians were playing away from home on Wednesday night meant that we had no access to pictures of the goals, and it is not best practice in News broadcasting, to lead with a story for which we have no visuals.

Last night for example, we sent a camera to Richmond Park and had the tape sent back, just in time for the News on Two. The story was second only to the Open Championship in our running order, and we're sure you can appreciate why, given an Irish man is bidding for three titles in a row.

Your complaint is not unique Stan, and fans of other sports are often as vocal when an event they would like to see televised does not materialise. Unfortunately in a very competitive and expensive market we can only do so much, and it would have cost thousands to send a crew to cover Bohemians' away tie. The spelling mistake is unfortunate, a human error that occurred on the most inappropriate of nights'.

RTE’s coverage begins with the play-off rounds (effectively the 4th round qualifying) because that is when the general Europe wide contracts kick-in for all broadcasters. Prior to the third round each individual tie is subject to separate contract in each territory.

For obvious commercial reasons we am not prepared to put a figure on the actual cost to RTE to cover this particular match. Suffice it to say that between the facilities costs (outside broadcast, studio and satellites) and a rights fee we are talking about many tens of thousands.

Our commitment to Irish soccer is significant. RTE Sport provides a prime time highlights show in the league season that covers every match (MNS). We are also committed to 13 live League and Cup games in this season – a figure that will significantly increase in the coming years. We also have the rights to all the remaining games in Ireland’s World Cup qualifying campaign and the rights to broadcast the World Cup Finals next June. That package, by any standard, is comprehensive and a clear commitment to the Irish game.

We have no doubt that this explanation will not appease your disappointment but I do hope it will help you to understand the rationale.

Kind Regards,

The Sports News Team, RTÉ

[Rovers1]

. We also have the rights to all the remaining games in Ireland’s World Cup qualifying campaign and the rights to broadcast the World Cup Finals next June. That package, by any standard, is comprehensive and a clear commitment to the Irish game.


That has nothing to do with 'The Irish game':mad:

[brianw82]

Got a similar mail from Alkin:

Dear Brian,

Many thanks for your email.

To answer your question about the News, I agree entirely with your view. The editorial order was wrong on a night when Bohemians were securing an excellent result in Austria .
However, that is the responsibility of the News room. I have copied your complaint to the Sports section of the News Department.

As far as the coverage of the 2nd leg goes, you couldn’t be further from the truth. The game is being covered for Austrian TV but a considerable rights fee (in the tens of thousands) and Production costs are involved if RTE were to broadcast this tie.

In the current economic situation RTE is not immune. We have lost over €60m in advertising revenue in the past year. Hard choices have to be made.

I would also remind you that RTE has made a massive commitment to Irish soccer: 36 MNS programmes in peak time between March and November; 13 live Irish games this year rising to 33 in 2013; and coverage of all of Ireland ’s home games until Nov 2013.

I know you are disappointed. So am I. Unfortunately, we can’t do everything.

Kind regards,

Stephen Alkin
Exec Producer RTE TV Sport

[brianw82]

That has nothing to do with 'The Irish game':mad:

Apart from the fact that Irish players are playing.

Nothing to do with the 'domestic' game.

[Dodge]

I hate the phrase "domestic game"

[Karl Phillips]

Medium wave is gone.

And the FAI have been very upfront about saying they are paying for MNS

Dodge I know the MW is gone but that was no reason to do away with the show. I am sure it could have gone to LW I found the show very informative and you got all the results, and a report from the grounds.

[irishultra]

I hate the phrase "domestic game"

whys that?

[roversforever]

How is showing 13 games out of a whole league season a great commitment to irish football?One a week would be a decent commitment but showing a handful of games at the start of the season and the same again at the end is not a commitment its a token gesture.

[fionnsci]

How is showing 13 games out of a whole league season a great commitment to irish football?One a week would be a decent commitment but showing a handful of games at the start of the season and the same again at the end is not a commitment its a token gesture.

They're upping it to 33 by 2013.

Are people forgetting that RTE is a business operating in a recession? They can not afford to spend money on what won't draw in the audiences which (as much as I'd like to think it doesn't) includes Bohs - Salzburg.

[RonnieB]

RTE were a business not so long ago not in a recession and never bothered their holes showing the league in any meaningful way.