Lansdowne Road Redevelopment Thread

[boovidge]

It's looking fantastic, but I still can't warm to that awful little terrace on the Havelock side; it looks so daft against the rest of the stadium. Plus as a spectator you'd feel so much more ... exposed?


Ireland isn't allowed to have a decent stadium with four sides!

[Eirambler]

I appreciate why its like that, but could they not have made it a little bit steeper or something to give it more presence...it looks rubbish.

[amaccann]

Ireland isn't allowed to have a decent stadium with four sides!
But at least Hill 16 in Croker still has a "significant" capacity that offsets that terrible "3 sides and 1 terrace" look. Lansdowne just has that one line of seats that looks like it doesn't seat any more than 1,000, maybe 2,000 people (though my sense of counting is a bit bad at the best of times).

[geysir]

It looks weird just to be able to fit in so few people underneath all that architecture.

I'd assume that every possibility was looked into.

[shakermaker1982]

how many seats will that end behind the goal hold? I don't think I have ever seen such a thing for a stadium of this size.

[Paulie]

how many seats will that end behind the goal hold?

I was on a tour of the ground myself only last week and was informed that the area behind that goal will hold 5,000 people. The capacity of the stadium will be just over 50,000, and as under UEFA/FIFA regulations away supporters are entitled to 10% of the available tickets for any given match, that is where the away supporters will be seated. Whether by design or not, the away supporters will be dwarfed by the three other sides of the ground, which will be a good thing in my view.

On another note, somebody else referred to the fact that they were worried about the prospect of not getting tickets once we go to the new stadium, as they are on the waiting list and are not registered as a full block booker. According to the guy that gave us the tour, all block bookers will return to the original allocation of tickets that they had at the old Lansdowne Road but that unfortunately, they would not be able to accommodate people on the waiting list.

[SuperDave]

I was on a tour of the ground myself only last week and was informed that the area behind that goal will hold 5,000 people. The capacity of the stadium will be just over 50,000, and as under UEFA/FIFA regulations away supporters are entitled to 10% of the available tickets for any given match, that is where the away supporters will be seated. Whether by design or not, the away supporters will be dwarfed by the three other sides of the ground, which will be a good thing in my view.

On another note, somebody else referred to the fact that they were worried about the prospect of not getting tickets once we go to the new stadium, as they are on the waiting list and are not registered as a full block booker. According to the guy that gave us the tour, all block bookers will return to the original allocation of tickets that they had at the old Lansdowne Road but that unfortunately, they would not be able to accommodate people on the waiting list.

FFFFFS..... why does this not surprise me.....

[aidz1]

On another note, somebody else referred to the fact that they were worried about the prospect of not getting tickets once we go to the new stadium, as they are on the waiting list and are not registered as a full block booker. According to the guy that gave us the tour, all block bookers will return to the original allocation of tickets that they had at the old Lansdowne Road but that unfortunately, they would not be able to accommodate people on the waiting list.

It doesnt surprise me that he said that on a tour of the stadium arranged to sell more premium seats.

The numbers (higher capacity/bb that havent renewed etc) would surely suggest that some of the waiting listers will be offered bb tickets.

[SuperDave]

It doesnt surprise me that he said that on a tour of the stadium arranged to sell more premium seats.

The numbers (higher capacity/bb that havent renewed etc) would surely suggest that some of the waiting listers will be offered bb tickets.

I fired off an email to confirm and I'll let you know the reply. Actually, if it was only a tour designed to sell tickets rather than a general tour, I would treat the answer a little more sceptically. They'd do anything to hawk a few of those premium tickets at this point.

[Razors left peg]

Went past it on the Dart over the weekend and it looks sensational, cannot wait for the first game back

[OwlsFan]

Great pics Owls Fan, the roof is starting to resemble a roller coaster.More pics would be great.

As requested:

http://sites.google.com/site/kilcree/pottsie/AvivaStadiumV.jpeg

http://sites.google.com/site/kilcree/pottsie/AvivaStadiumVI.jpeg

[OwlsFan]

Seats look a bit uncomfortable though ;)

[Pád Von Tirpitz]

I love the fact that the North Terrace end is so small. The slope of the stand is really dramatic, it's a brilliant piece of design/engineering. It also makes the stadium distinctive, which is a rarity these days. Everywhere looks the same.

[Newryrep]

I was on a tour of the ground myself only last week and was informed that the area behind that goal will hold 5,000 people. The capacity of the stadium will be just over 50,000, and as under UEFA/FIFA regulations away supporters are entitled to 10% of the available tickets for any given match, that is where the away supporters will be seated. Whether by design or not, the away supporters will be dwarfed by the three other sides of the ground, which will be a good thing in my view.

On another note, somebody else referred to the fact that they were worried about the prospect of not getting tickets once we go to the new stadium, as they are on the waiting list and are not registered as a full block booker. According to the guy that gave us the tour, all block bookers will return to the original allocation of tickets that they had at the old Lansdowne Road but that unfortunately, they would not be able to accommodate people on the waiting list.

not so , for the Euros the away allocation has supposedly been cut to 5% by Uefa, still 10% for world cup matches

[wexfordman]

so do all current block bookers for croke park receive block booking fro lansdowne rd. given it has a lower capacity than croker?

[fergalr]

so do all current block bookers for croke park receive block booking fro lansdowne rd. given it has a lower capacity than croker?

No. Only those who had block booking in the old Lansdowne.

[Paulie]

not so , for the Euros the away allocation has supposedly been cut to 5% by Uefa, still 10% for world cup matches

I hadn't heard that. On the up side, more Irish fans will get tickets for our first campaign in the new stadium. On the down side, getting tickets for some of the away games will be a right pain.

[Newryrep]

I hadn't heard that. On the up side, more Irish fans will get tickets for our first campaign in the new stadium. On the down side, getting tickets for some of the away games will be a right pain.

The SFA informed the ATAC suposedly about the reduction - could be a real problem especially for some of the smaller grounds 20,000 only officially 1000 away tickets unless the FAI can negoiate more. It will be a right pain if you have to spend what time you have at a foreign venue running around trying to source tickets. Points for away games ?

[Stuttgart88]

It looks like we'll be right on top of the pitch which in my opinion is crucial for generating atmosphere. Looks great, though the low bit at the North end isn't ideal.

[tetsujin1979]

on the other hand, any noise generated by the away support will be dissipated in the air, whereas the noise from the home fans will be echoed back into the stadium

[Stuttgart88]

How cunning of the architects.

[Schumi]

On the down side, getting tickets for some of the away games will be a right pain.How many away games would we have trouble? Montenegro was the only away game in this campaign that we nearly filled our allocation. There was loads of room in Bari, there were no home fans in Cyprus and we didn't sell our allocation for Bulgaria or Georgia.


How cunning of the architects.

The residents in Havelock Square are geniuses. :)

[Newryrep]

How many away games would we have trouble? Montenegro was the only away game in this campaign that we nearly filled our allocation. There was loads of room in Bari, there were no home fans in Cyprus and we didn't sell our allocation for Bulgaria or Georgia.



Maybe not this campaign Schumi but draw say a Swedan, Germany and a Macedonia and we could well struggle with 5 % allocation through a combination of small grounds and the glamourous fixture

[jbyrne]

Maybe not this campaign Schumi but draw say a Swedan, Germany and a Macedonia and we could well struggle with 5 % allocation through a combination of small grounds and the glamourous fixture

basle 2003 and holland wc 1990 was the only time i watched Ireland play away in a full stadium

[gspain]

basle 2003 and holland wc 1990 was the only time i watched Ireland play away in a full stadium

All games in Japan 02 were soldout although there were tickets outside in Niigata and Ibaraki. All the group games were soldout for USA94 albeit tickets outside all 3. Wembley 91 was totally soldout and tickets were a big problem. Denmark 92 was a problem in advance but not on the night - still full though.

5% will be a big problem if we get Northern Ireland, England, Scotland, Holland, Turkey or Germany. If we get a key away game at the end aka Basle 03 it will be a huge problem.

[SuperDave]

All games in Japan 02 were soldout although there were tickets outside in Niigata and Ibaraki. All the group games were soldout for USA94 albeit tickets outside all 3. Wembley 91 was totally soldout and tickets were a big problem. Denmark 92 was a problem in advance but not on the night - still full though.

5% will be a big problem if we get Northern Ireland, England, Scotland, Holland, Turkey or Germany. If we get a key away game at the end aka Basle 03 it will be a huge problem.

Was Holland at Anfield in '95 not sold out too?

[ArdeeBhoy]

5% will be a big problem if we get Northern Ireland, England, Scotland, Holland, Turkey or Germany. If we get a key away game at the end aka Basle 03 it will be a huge problem.

If we can get 35000 into Stade de France, we can get 10% of that into most of the others, if needed....

[jbyrne]

All games in Japan 02 were soldout although there were tickets outside in Niigata and Ibaraki. All the group games were soldout for USA94 albeit tickets outside all 3. Wembley 91 was totally soldout and tickets were a big problem. Denmark 92 was a problem in advance but not on the night - still full though.

5% will be a big problem if we get Northern Ireland, England, Scotland, Holland, Turkey or Germany. If we get a key away game at the end aka Basle 03 it will be a huge problem.

there were empty seats at all Irelands matches at WC 2002. no Irish fan went without a ticket was the essence of my point. i wasnt at wc 1994 but i heard that again no Irish fan went without a ticket

id say its likely that the FAI will do a deal with other nations such as that done between holland and scotland in this campaign when they allocated more than the stipulated % to each other for the away matches

[Newryrep]

there were empty seats at all Irelands matches at WC 2002. no Irish fan went without a ticket was the essence of my point. i wasnt at wc 1994 but i heard that again no Irish fan went without a ticket

id say its likely that the FAI will do a deal with other nations such as that done between holland and scotland in this campaign when they allocated more than the stipulated % to each other for the away matches

I now what your saying JB but how can the FAI in theory do a deal when all the home seats at LR are BB's /Vantage club (although the Vantage club will be flexible given its uptake.)

There arent that many countries that travel in great numbers.

[Newryrep]

If we can get 35000 into Stade de France, we can get 10% of that into most of the others, if needed....

Stade de France was an exception as we could get tickets through the french equivalent of Ticketmaster. Same with Stuttgart 06 for a while before they stopped delivering to non german adresses. But at the time there were lots looking for tickets although the majority appear to get sorted.

My main concern would be the scandanavian countries with relatively small grounds which are well attended by home fans

[jbyrne]

I now what your saying JB but how can the FAI in theory do a deal when all the home seats at LR are BB's /Vantage club (although the Vantage club will be flexible given its uptake.)

There arent that many countries that travel in great numbers.

they may not sell the north stand to bbs thus leaving maybe 5,000 available for away fans should they need to do a deal

[elroy]

Cant say im a huge fan of the havelock square end, maybe when its done ill like it. The rest of the stadium looks class though, more much tidy and compact than Croker from our perspective. Atmosphere should be unreal, cant wait to go back.

[gspain]

there were empty seats at all Irelands matches at WC 2002. no Irish fan went without a ticket was the essence of my point. i wasnt at wc 1994 but i heard that again no Irish fan went without a ticket

id say its likely that the FAI will do a deal with other nations such as that done between holland and scotland in this campaign when they allocated more than the stipulated % to each other for the away matches

Re 1994,
On the day yes but loads didn't travel for the Italy game as there was nothing moving. 2 mates at ten qualifiers missed it. I was at all 12 qualifiers and only got a ticket by chance. Many watched Italy at home and want straight to Orlando then for Mexico. Tickets weren't easy for those either but were available on the day.

Re 2002 there were loads locked out of the Saudi game. There were no tickets outside even at inflated prices as we were trying for a couple of people and they never got in.

The Olympics are an extreme example here as friends have gone to events with thousands locked out and almost empty stadiums inside. Even 15 minutes after kickoff they were pleading to get in but no joy.

Some countries won't need to do a deal as they won't have the away fans. Loads of Scotland fans locked out in Macedonia. France and Germany will hardly make the same mistake again. Scotland had ticket problems in Paris in 07 albeit in the smaller stadium. If Germany hadn't put our game on sale during the WC and posted to Ireland there would have been big problems for that too.

5% is way too little and will cause problems

FIFA and UEFA also have strict guidelines re segregation. Obviously FIFA rules don't apply to France (see seeding discussion) but smaller countries would be punished if there were large quantities of away fans in the home end. .

[jbyrne]

Re 1994,
Re 2002 there were loads locked out of the Saudi game. There were no tickets outside even at inflated prices as we were trying for a couple of people and they never got in.


there was 65,000 at that game and the stadium holds over 70,000. lots of empty seats at the opposite end i was at. tickets were available at the ticket ctre in tokyo, i know cause we had to replace missing tickets

[gspain]

there was 65,000 at that game and the stadium holds over 70,000. lots of empty seats at the opposite end i was at. tickets were available at the ticket ctre in tokyo, i know cause we had to replace missing tickets

There are often empty seats at WC matches because of sponsor tickets etc. There were loads locked out of the Saudi game in Yokohama. There may have been tickets in Tokyo but loads of people incl me didn't know about them. We had huge trouble getting in to Mexico v Ecuador in Myagi and there were loads of empty seats at that too.

Likewise many fans won't travel without a ticket particularly given the economy these days.

If we get to South Africa there won't be enough tickets from the FAI and FIFA for everyone that wants one. There will be loads out there I'm sure but some won't go on that basis.

Having different limits between FIFA and UEFA is a real pain when trying to configure a stadium too.

[joe_barry80]

seems to be coming on great

http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/photocategory.asp?PCID=34&NCID=

[elroy]

I know this has been mentioned before, probably wont affect us but for the rugby it does look at if the view will be someway obstructed when the ball goes up in the air if you are in the upper tier.

[tetsujin1979]

it was mentioned here a few times alright Elroy, the rumour is that the IRFU and FAI are forcing the architects to buy 10 year tickets for those seats

[Stuttgart88]

It looked pretty good from Ballsbridge as I stumbled along the last few miles of the Dublin Marathon on Monday. I was almost hallucinating at that stage though.

[Leeside Swagger]

Still looks like the dart crossing is in the way, they really should have moved it underground. Anyone know if the crossing is going to stay in place? Its a disaster having to wait for the trains to pass.

[ifk101]

Judging from the 5th ground shot picture posted by Joe_Barry80, it doesn't look like the view from those seats will be obstructed - but it does look tight for those seats in the corner where the roof drops down.

The new stadium looks amazing none the less.

[endabob1]

It's good but it's no as good as this :D

http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/2010/gallery/PublishingImages/Stadium%20construction/GP_27_Oct_09_d.jpg

[jbyrne]

Still looks like the dart crossing is in the way, they really should have moved it underground. Anyone know if the crossing is going to stay in place? Its a disaster having to wait for the trains to pass.

i think the dart line is now by passed by way of stairs up to a podium that in turn gives access to most of the stadium

[SuperDave]

i think the dart line is now by passed by way of stairs up to a podium that in turn gives access to most of the stadium

The big stairs are only for premium level seats!! However, i think there are going to be other ways in and out off shelbourne road and lansdowne lane.

the dart gates are staying closed on match days for the entire period. Also, they are constructing underground holding pods which each hold a dart load of people, so as a dart comes in, fills uo with those on the platform, the pod is emptied onto the platofrm and then refilled again from the outside. all very clever.

[RonnieB]

Is it wrong that I preferred the old Landsdowne?

[paul_oshea]

RonnieB you aint a hardcore fan then!

[mint sauce]

mmm, just been viewing the latest pics, and following the recent debate on seats with possible obstucted views, have no noticed no new pics taken from seated fan point of view

:rolleyes:

still looking preety impressive though

[Emmet7]

seems to be coming on great

http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/photocategory.asp?PCID=34&NCID=

Thanks for that.

Wow it looks brillant. I just hope it's a very intimidating ground to opponents. The key to that would be to design it so the fans are right on top of the players and there is good accoustics that amplifies the noise of the home fans.

From the look of the Italy match towards the end, the atmosphere was electric with fans jumping up and down. Wouldn't it be great to see that for 90 minutes of every Irish game! Instead of people sitting back in their seats and being passive.

But I hope the new stadium is a fortress for Ireland.

[fionnsci]

Your query to the Lansdowne Road Stadium Development Company in relation to the stadium has been passed on to me. I have been conscious of these rumours over the past few weeks. It is a rumour and normally we wouldn't speculate on rumours but as this is reasonably easy to dispel here are the facts.

The capacity has always been 50,000 and we are happy to confirm that there will be 50,000 seats with unrestricted views of the pitch.

In addition there are a limited number of seats which could potentially have restricted views of the ground. We have, however, known about these from the outset. This is quite common in stadia. At this moment in time we are not certain whether we will even put seats into these locations. A final decision will be taken when the seats are actually being installed.

Further to that at the northern end of the ground as you will be aware there is only one tier. This is to ensure that there is no overshadowing of houses at that end of the ground.

The roof there does come down quite steeply and there is a pocket on each side where there could be restricted views. No decision whatsoever has however been taken on whether to put seats into those areas or not.

The one thing I would emphasise is that I can confirm that there will definitely be the 50,000 seats all with unrestricted and superb views of the pitch.

Hope that helps.
Best wishes.

Roddy Guiney

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Nothing to say the aerial view won't be restricted.

[Leeside Swagger]

Is it wrong that I preferred the old Landsdowne?

It really was a dump, but it was our dump!:D