Sean McCaffery

[kingdomkerry]

There is a very promising young Irish player who would walk in to the Ireland U19 team (cant name at the moment). He wants to play for Ireland, and will if McCaffery contacts him.

McCaffery on the other hand says the ball is in the players court.

I am fearful that we will loose an exiting young prospect due to our managers pride/ego.

[SkStu]

Stephen Irelands little brother?? ;)

come on - name names...

[irishfan86]

Send the FAI an e-mail with your exact worry, probably better than telling us about it.

Or, you could try to contact the player somehow- maybe through his club, to get him to take the initiative in declaring for us?

You'd be surprised at who you can talk to if you're convincing and determined enough to do it.

[Crosby87]

What stops the player from contacting the FAI? Is this like a 6th grade boys girls dance?

[Joseph McSweene]

What stops the player from contacting the FAI? Is this like a 6th grade boys girls dance?

We're still talking about footballers right?

[SilkCut]

There is a very promising young Irish player who would walk in to the Ireland U19 team (cant name at the moment). He wants to play for Ireland, and will if McCaffery contacts him.

McCaffery on the other hand says the ball is in the players court.

I am fearful that we will loose an exiting young prospect due to our managers pride/ego.

Eh why can't you name him? Is he embarrassed? If so he can't be that keen can he????

[dr_peepee]

On one level I think he should get off his **** and contact the FAI himself, but on another there are players who came to the FAI because the IFA and Scottish FA never made them feel wanted..

I think for the sake of a phone call, the adult should be the bigger man. You'd be surprise what goes through young peoples heads. The youngfella probbly doesn't want to be percieved as presumptiuous or egotistical by getting the ball rolling first, i dunno.

[Topman]

Get in touch with your local FAI Development Officer, that would be a start

[greendeiseboy]

There is a very promising young Irish player who would walk in to the Ireland U19 team (cant name at the moment). He wants to play for Ireland, and will if McCaffery contacts him.

McCaffery on the other hand says the ball is in the players court.

I am fearful that we will loose an exiting young prospect due to our managers pride/ego.

i think you need to clarify a few points in your post

1. Is he Irish born ( as you state he's Irish)- if so shouldn't be a problem - if he's good enough he'll be picked

2. McCaffrey is aware already of him - then as stated above if he's good enough he'll be picked

3. Has he spoken to you about being called up - if so why cant he contact the FAI direct

I must admit I find this a very strange post especially given the fact that you cant name him - surely if he's that anxious to play for us and if we knew who he was we could push his cause

[Wangball]

Tell him to skip over McCaffrey and give Don Givens a call, he seems like he's in touch and "down" with our young footballers!

[Dodge]

There is a very promising young Irish player who would walk in to the Ireland U19 team (cant name at the moment). He wants to play for Ireland, and will if McCaffery contacts him.


Seems a bit of a primadonna. If he's not in recent squads, give McCaffrey a ring and seek his story directly. 19 is far too young to be getting precious about waiting on a manager to contact you

[Drumcondra 69er]

On one level I think he should get off his **** and contact the FAI himself, but on another there are players who came to the FAI because the IFA and Scottish FA never made them feel wanted..

I think for the sake of a phone call, the adult should be the bigger man. You'd be surprise what goes through young peoples heads. The youngfella probbly doesn't want to be percieved as presumptiuous or egotistical by getting the ball rolling first, i dunno.

Exactly. James McCarthy played for us ahead of Scotland because he was made feel wanted. Our under age managers are a shower of egotists these days from what I can make out, McCaffery seems to have attended the same charm school as Givens.....

[Wangball]

There is a very promising young Irish player who would walk in to the Ireland U19 team (cant name at the moment). He wants to play for Ireland, and will if McCaffery contacts him.


Is he eligible for anyone else?

[soccerc]

McCaffery seems to have attended the same charm school as Givens.....

That's not the Sean I know ;)

[Dodge]

Our under age managers are a shower of egotists these days from what I can make out, McCaffery seems to have attended the same charm school as Givens.....

Based on what?

[kingdomkerry]

Is he eligible for anyone else?

Yip. NI

[Drumcondra 69er]

Based on what?

Purely on anecdotal evidence regarding players that have played (or not played as the case may be) under him. I'm not going to start naming names though although I think I know who the player in question here is.

[boovidge]

Why the secrecy? Is it just so you can continue to be the only one with "insider" knowledge or is there a proper reason?

[Newryrep]

Dont see what the problem is if he phones the manager/FAI and advises him that he is available for selection and would accept the call up. Also avoids the IFA bleating about poaching players if the player makes the first contact.

[greendeiseboy]

Yip. NI

Are we to take from this that he is Northern Irish and if so has he been called up by them?

[Wangball]

Is it a thing that he wants the player to make some kind of public declaration of loyalty to our honourable cause?

You should probably just name the player

[The Fly]

Are we to take from this that he is Northern Irish and if so has he been called up by them?

It's Shane Duffy ;)

[EalingGreen]

It's Shane Duffy ;)
I don't know whether you're "in the know", or just being mischievous(!), but assuming it is Duffy, I'm surprised there should be this "Mexican Standoff"* between him and McCaffery.

For whilst I can understand why Duffy would not want openly to approach the FAI (i.e. the IFA have been very good to him), nonetheless I don't see how, considering Duffy's Da is from Donegal, the IFA could really object if the FAI made the first approach (i.e. there can be no disputing his eligibility for ROI) .

The only thing I can think of is that in recent years, the two Associations have been co-operating quite closely on Coaching Courses etc, plus there is the Setanta Cup and new Four Nations tournament to come. Maybe therefore they have come to some sort of informal, off-the-record, agreement not to make the first approach to each others players?


* - I know, I know...

[Den Perry]

I don't know whether you're "in the know", or just being mischievous(!), but assuming it is Duffy, I'm surprised there should be this "Mexican Standoff"* between him and McCaffery.

For whilst I can understand why Duffy would not want openly to approach the FAI (i.e. the IFA have been very good to him), nonetheless I don't see how, considering Duffy's Da is from Donegal, the IFA could really object if the FAI made the first approach (i.e. there can be no disputing his eligibility for ROI) .

The only thing I can think of is that in recent years, the two Associations have been co-operating quite closely on Coaching Courses etc, plus there is the Setanta Cup and new Four Nations tournament to come. Maybe therefore they have come to some sort of informal, off-the-record, agreement not to make the first approach to each others players?



* - I know, I know...

"mexican standoff"? very bigoted, Ealing Green, very bigoted lol

[co. down green]

For whilst I can understand why Duffy would not want openly to approach the FAI (i.e. the IFA have been very good to him), nonetheless I don't see how, considering Duffy's Da is from Donegal, the IFA could really object if the FAI made the first approach (i.e. there can be no disputing his eligibility for ROI)

EG

Haven't you heard? No disputes about eligibility in Ireland any more. Contact Mr Blatter for further details.


The only thing I can think of is that in recent years, the two Associations have been co-operating quite closely on Coaching Courses etc, plus there is the Setanta Cup and new Four Nations tournament to come. Maybe therefore they have come to some sort of informal, off-the-record, agreement not to make the first approach to each others players?

No agreement EG, as the IFA don't own players born in the North (Again, contact Mr Blatter for confirmation). Good to see Derry City's young left back Shane McEleney down training with Sean McCaffrey's Ireland u19 squad recently, for the first time.

[ifk101]

I think this wind-up has now run it course ....

[EalingGreen]

EG

Haven't you heard? No disputes about eligibility in Ireland any more. Contact Mr Blatter for further details.



No agreement EG, as the IFA don't own players born in the North (Again, contact Mr Blatter for confirmation). Good to see Derry City's young left back Shane McEleney down training with Sean McCaffrey's Ireland u19 squad recently, for the first time.

ifk101 (above) is quite correct.

So as I replied to you on another thread: "...if you really must hijack this thread down [another] avenue, you'll have to find someone else to help you"

[co. down green]

So as I replied to you on another thread:
"...if you really must hijack this thread down [another] avenue, you'll have to find someone else to help you":rolleyes:

Very funny eg, that made me laugh.


The only thing I can think of is that in recent years, the two Associations have been co-operating quite closely on Coaching Courses etc, plus there is the Setanta Cup and new Four Nations tournament to come. Maybe therefore they have come to some sort of informal, off-the-record, agreement not to make the first approach to each others players?

The above relates to the Sean McCaffrey thread..how exactly?:confused:

[kingdomkerry]

ifk101 (above) is quite correct.

So as I replied to you on another thread: "...if you really must hijack this thread down [another] avenue, you'll have to find someone else to help you"

Is actually you who hijacks threads and turns them all in NI vs ROI threads. This is in relation to Sean McCaffery and his ego/pride costing Ireland.

[ifk101]

The only thing I can think of is that in recent years, the two Associations have been co-operating quite closely on Coaching Courses etc, plus there is the Setanta Cup and new Four Nations tournament to come. Maybe therefore they have come to some sort of informal, off-the-record, agreement not to make the first approach to each others players?

I doubt there exists any informal agreement EG unless NI is asking for permission to use our players - after all NI is effectively picking our players for its international sides.

As it is I think that relations between the two associations are quite poor as UEFA/FIFA has been pushing for the IFA to be assimilated by the FAI. This is highighted by the change in the eligibility rules but also the failed attempt to bring the 2011 U21 European Championships to Ireland. Apparently UEFA wanted the two associations to enter just the one team for this competition which obviously the IFA was having none of.

[Gather round]

As it is I think that relations between the two associations are quite poor as UEFA/FIFA has been pushing for the IFA to be assimilated by the FAI. This is highighted by the change in the eligibility rules but also the failed attempt to bring the 2011 U21 European Championships to Ireland. Apparently UEFA wanted the two associations to enter just the one team for this competition which obviously the IFA was having none of.

Ha ha. Is that the Euro u-21 that only Denmark and Israel applied to stage?

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/under21/news/kind=1/newsid=718282.html

[ifk101]

Ha ha. Is that the Euro u-21 that only Denmark and Israel applied to stage?

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/under21/news/kind=1/newsid=718282.html

;)

"It also emerged from yesterday's meeting that UEFA are keen on bringing the 2011 European U21 championships to these shores, provided that there is a joint bid between the FAI and their northern counterparts, the IFA.

While no discussions about this have previously taken place between the two associations on either side of the border, the FAI will be endeavouring to discuss the prospect with the powers-that-be in Belfast. "

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/over-our-dead-bodies-say-gaa-80571.html

[Gather round]

;)

"It also emerged from yesterday's meeting that UEFA are keen on bringing the 2011 European U21 championships to these shores, provided that there is a joint bid between the FAI and their northern counterparts, the IFA

So is there any actual evidence- as opposed to wishful thinking and white smoke emerging- that that's what UEFA actually wants?

Apart from contradicting their supposed reluctance to share finals competitions between two or more countries in future- why couldn't the South simply bid to stage it alone? You must have four LoI grounds suitable, plus enough hotels for the UEFA goons to stay in?

We staged the U-19 a few years ago, when France won. Quite successfully- not a single riot, stand falling down or other off-field c*ck up.

[EalingGreen]

Originally Posted by EalingGreen:
"The only thing I can think of is that in recent years, the two Associations have been co-operating quite closely on Coaching Courses etc, plus there is the Setanta Cup and new Four Nations tournament to come. Maybe therefore they have come to some sort of informal, off-the-record, agreement not to make the first approach to each others players?"



The above relates to the Sean McCaffrey thread..how exactly?:confused:Here's how.
"KK" referred to a player apparently involved in a stand-off with McCaffrey. "Fly"speculated it might be Shane Duffy.
Therefore in order to explain the standoff, I speculated that Duffy might be reluctant to make the first approach out of loyalty to the IFA, whilst McCaffrey might be reluctant if there was some sort of informal agreement with the IFA (i.e. following the FAI's recent close co-operation with the IFA in a range of areas).
OK, it might have been speculation of a very fanciful kind, but there was no intent to wind anybody up in it, nor to drag the thread off topic, as is transparently the case with some of your recent posts.

[EalingGreen]

Is actually you who hijacks threads and turns them all in NI vs ROI threads. This is in relation to Sean McCaffery and his ego/pride costing Ireland.Please tell me how I am hijacking this thread and turning it into "an NI vs ROI thread".

And whilst you're at it, why not tell us who this mystery player is, since that would eliminate speculation and help keep the thread on topic...

[EalingGreen]

I doubt there exists any informal agreement EG
Probably not, but as I indicated above, unless/until Kingdom Kerry reveals the player's identity, there is liable to be speculation.

unless NI is asking for permission to use our players - after all NI is effectively picking our players for its international sides. Why would NI have to seek the FAI's permission to select players born in NI?
Did the FAI seek permission from the SFA when they selected Aiden McGeady, for instance?

As it is I think that relations between the two associations are quite poorWhere is your evidence that relations between the two are "quite poor"? If you like, I can point to any number of examples where they have been co-operating fully in recent years.


UEFA/FIFA has been pushing for the IFA to be assimilated by the FAI.Where is your evidence that either UEFA or FIFA have been "pushing for the IFA to be assimilated by the FAI"?


This is highighted by the change in the eligibility rulesComplete non sequitur. Or did the suggestion by FIFA that the IFA be permitted to select ROI-born players (as a quid pro quo) indicate that FIFA wanted the FAI to be assimilated within the IFA :rolleyes:


also the failed attempt to bring the 2011 U21 European Championships to Ireland.Presumably, then, UEFA want to see the Polish and Ukrainian FA's merged/assimilated as well, seeing as they have awarded the 2012 Euros to those two countries? :confused:


Apparently UEFA wanted the two associations to enter just the one team for this competition which obviously the IFA was having none of.First I'd heard of it, I must say. Any links or references?

[EalingGreen]

;)

"It also emerged from yesterday's meeting that UEFA are keen on bringing the 2011 European U21 championships to these shores, provided that there is a joint bid between the FAI and their northern counterparts, the IFA.

While no discussions about this have previously taken place between the two associations on either side of the border, the FAI will be endeavouring to discuss the prospect with the powers-that-be in Belfast. "

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/over-our-dead-bodies-say-gaa-80571.html
I know there is a risk I will end up being more frustrated than Father Ted when he tried to explain Perspective to Father Dougal, but would you like me to explain the difference between a "Joint Bid" and a "Joint Team"? :rolleyes:

[ifk101]

I know there is a risk I will end up being more frustrated than Father Ted when he tried to explain Perspective to Father Dougal, but would you like me to explain the difference between a "Joint Bid" and a "Joint Team"? :rolleyes:

As already alluded by Gather round, there really isn't a need for the two associations to join forces to host a U21 Championship, ie we wouldn't have any major stumbling blocks in hosting a championships on our own. Second as pointed out by Gather round as well, there does exist a strong reluctance to share championships between associations. This is especially relevant to underage championship like the U21 Championship when only 8 teams compete. Do you understand perspective now Dougal? :D

[youngirish]

As already alluded by Gather round, there really isn't a need for the two associations to join forces to host a U21 Championship, ie we wouldn't have any major stumbling blocks in hosting a championships on our own. Second as pointed out by Gather round as well, there does exist a strong reluctance to share championships between associations. This is especially relevant to underage championship like the U21 Championship when only 8 teams compete. Do you understand perspective now Dougal? :D
What are the women in Sweden like?

[Predator]

Again, this thread is far too easily going off track.

We should open a thread for the discussion of any possible future 'joint bids' between the IFA and the FAI (Which, I believe would be good for both economies and would promote Ireland in an excellent light). And another thread for the discussion of hot Swedish women.

On topic however; I don't know McCaffrey, but from what I've read of the fortunes of Ireland U-19 and U-17 under him, they don't appear to be very promising (that 6-1 drilling by Switzerland was a disgrace*). If the player in question is in fact Shane Duffy (who is only 17), then I wouldn't brand him a 'primadonna' or whatever, just as others have. I believe it is the responsibility of the manager to recruit players and especially since Duffy is 17 and still a kid, it's hard to expect him to take the initiative and contact McCaffrey.

*In relation to the 6-1 defeat to Switzerland, perhaps McCaffrey could do with a defender such as Duffy!

[ifk101]

I think the criticism regarding the 6-1 defeat is a bit harsh, although I agree that it is a poor result. And in fairness the team did recovered and redeemed a bit of pride in winning their final game against Sweden.

If there is an underage manager we should be re-evaluating it is at U21 level.

[Predator]

I think the criticism regarding the 6-1 defeat is a bit harsh, although I agree that it is a poor result. And in fairness the team did recovered and redeemed a bit of pride in winning their final game against Sweden.

I don't know if it's harsh at all.

Here's the Under-17 results for 08/09 : http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3416

Here's the Under-19 results for 08/09 : http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3840

Here's Ireland's under-19 UEFA profile: http://www.uefa.com/competitions/under19/teams/team=300064/index.html

And the under-17 UEFA profile: http://www.uefa.com/competitions/under17/teams/team=400064/index.html

The FAI website doesn't seem very up to date either.

My point is, that the teams aren't performing very well, no matter how you see a 'consolation victory' as an indication of success ha. There is obviously something wrong; either the players simply aren't good enough, or McCaffrey isn't maximising the potential of his playing pool (in this case, not selecting relatively 'in-form' youngsters such as Duffy for example).


If there is an underage manager we should be re-evaluating it is at U21 level.Maybe we should open up another thread? haha

[EalingGreen]

Do you understand perspective now Dougal? :DI think I'm beginning to understand you a little better; on which point, Predator has it spot-on with his post #40 (above).