The great stand up sit down debate

[paul_oshea]

Terrible that. Some right tools in the away section on Sat obviously. The people in the rows behind us starting arguing over sitting down at the start of the game. Stupid carry on.

Who were the fools the ones wanting to sit down, or the ones wanting to stand up ;)

By the end of it anyway everyone was standing, but i'd take it as a matter of opinion. If someone tells you to do something you don't want, what would you do? Do what they say or do what you want?

[MariborKev]

Who were the fools the ones wanting to sit down, or the ones wanting to stand up ;)

By the end of it anyway everyone was standing, but i'd take it as a matter of opinion. If someone tells you to do something you don't want, what would you do? Do what they say or do what you want?


I have mentioned this before.

The demographic of our support is such that some fans are not capable of standing for the whole game(never mind in that heat). Added to that, you have clowns who land in late and decide to stand in stairwells, forcing everyone round them to stand.

I think it is something the FAI could look at- get people to indicate if they want to sit, then allocate tickets for those people at the front. Anyone who wants to stand can, at the back.

[paul_oshea]

Ya I'd agree with that but I find that some of these people always sit middle back. It definitely takes away from the atmosphere sitting. As was showed the last day. I made a point to those around me, and I would make it again, these were lads in their early 20s, they have no excuse to wanting to sit down.

But I think the FAI should allocate tickets to those who want to sit to the front. This might not have worked in sofia though as it was a free for all. I don't agree that all those that want to sit though are unable to stand for the who game, the majority further up making noise to us, were at most 45, with a lot that were early 20s.

I would agree however that those who come in late are clowns.

[eaststand85]

This is probably going to annoy a lot of people but I don't agree that standing at games is necessarily a good thing regardless of physical factors.

I'm only mid thirties but personally get so nervous when watching Ireland I prefer to sit a lot of the time and concentrate on the game which is a lot harder to do when everyone's standing in a random fashion. If you're on a terrace then fair enough but otherwise the seats were designed to give everyone the best possible view while sitting down and there'll always be an opportunity to stand up temporarily and cheer/sing etc. when the team needs it or when something particularly exciting is happening as it's human nature to do so.

If there hasn't already been one then maybe there should be a seperate thread started on this issue?

[pineapple stu]

otherwise the seats were designed to give everyone the best possible view while sitting down and there'll always be an opportunity to stand up temporarily and cheer/sing etc. when the team needs it or when something particularly exciting is happening as it's human nature to do so.
So basically, you sit down and stay quiet because that's what the ground designer has told you to do?

Have split into a separate topic, although I'm sure it's been done before.

[eaststand85]

So basically, you sit down and stay quiet because that's what the ground designer has told you to do?



No, if you read or quoted my whole post you'd see I said I sit down (didn't say anything about staying quiet) because I get so nervous when watching Ireland I prefer to sit a lot of the time and concentrate on the game which is a lot harder to do when everyone's standing in a random fashion.

The point I made in relation to ground design is that stands have been built to provide a better view if people sit in the seats provided. There are some people who are happy to stand and sing the whole time (some even turn their back on the match happening in front of them to concentrate on this) which is why we now have a singing section in Croke Park. I'm just saying that while I enjoy singing and chanting my main priority is seeing, and being able to concentrate on, the game.

[NeilMcD]

I stood up 80 per cent of the game on Saturday. Knee was in agony after it but you are certainly more likely to create noise and atmosphere and sing songs when standing up. I made sure I was drinking lots of water to hydrate the body. I paid for it later on but it was worth it.

[pineapple stu]

No, if you read or quoted my whole post you'd see I said I sit down (didn't say anything about staying quiet) because I get so nervous when watching Ireland I prefer to sit a lot of the time and concentrate on the game which is a lot harder to do when everyone's standing in a random fashion.
You did, but you also justified sitting down on the basis that that's what the ground was designed for, hence my comment.

[paul_oshea]

I dont know how sitting down makes it easier if yer nervous, moving around, shouting helps ease that. If you stop singing you start thinking an awul lot more and thats really when the nerves start to hit in.

You sound like a spectator, as opposed to a supporter to me.

[DeLorean]

I think it is something the FAI could look at- get people to indicate if they want to sit, then allocate tickets for those people at the front. Anyone who wants to stand can, at the back.

I presume this would never be taken into account though. Presumably by the letter of the law people are supposed to be sitting down so therefore the FAI could hardly be seen to be promoting sitting at the front, standing at the back.

[pineapple stu]

True.

Bristol City operate an unallocated stand. You sit where you want, so those who prefer to sit go down the front, and those who prefer to stand go at the back. Works perfectly.

[RonnieB]

I hate having to sit at a match, I would sooner stand in the ****ing rain than sit under a roof.

[DeLorean]

You sound like a spectator, as opposed to a supporter to me.

Chanting, dancing and signing comes more naturally to some people more than others. If I'm totally honest, and I'll get absolutely no respect for saying this, I'd prefer to concentrate on watching the match. I don't mind standing at all but I'd be lying if I claimed to be the most vocal of supporters. Having said that I don't go moaning about my wasted hard earned wages when the team don't do well either. I go to the away games because I love soccer and like to see different places. I don't go purely for the good of the Irish team, selfish as that may be!! I'm glad there are a lot more vocal Irish fans out there to make up for the likes of me.

[Sligo Hornet]

I stood up 80 per cent of the game on Saturday. Knee was in agony after it but you are certainly more likely to create noise and atmosphere and sing songs when standing up. I made sure I was drinking lots of water to hydrate the body. I paid for it later on but it was worth it.

Lucky you......we couldn't get anything to drink, let alone water on easy credit terms.

[eaststand85]

I dont know how sitting down makes it easier if yer nervous, moving around, shouting helps ease that. If you stop singing you start thinking an awul lot more and thats really when the nerves start to hit in.

You sound like a spectator, as opposed to a supporter to me.

So because I'm not jumping up and down and singing the whole time I'm not a supporter? Cannot understand this attitude of people who think because they make the most noise they're the 'true' or 'better' supporters. Everyone expresses their support in different ways (volunteering at club level or supporting financially by attending matches for example) and empty vessels sometimes make the most noise as they say.

[NeilMcD]

I just sent Pampers to the bar.

[NeilMcD]

[QUOTE)=eaststand85;1175552 empty vessels sometimes make the most noise as they say.[/QUOTE]

Well thats true about Paul anyway. :)

[paul_oshea]

I dont know how sitting down makes it easier if yer nervous, moving around, shouting helps ease that. If you stop singing you start thinking an awul lot more and thats really when the nerves start to hit in.

You sound like a spectator, as opposed to a supporter to me.

So because I'm not jumping up and down and singing the whole time I'm not a supporter? Cannot understand this attitude of people who think because they make the most noise they're the 'true' or 'better' supporters. Everyone expresses their support in different ways (volunteering at club level or supporting financially by attending matches for example) and empty vessels sometimes make the most noise as they say.


No not because you don't sing or because you sit down or even focus on the game, but all 3 combined together give me the impression of someone who goes to "watch" a match as opposed to support a team. I make no bones about singing the whole time, probably a lot of time even annoying people, but I also watch and focus on the game, but if me singing can in any small way help gee the team up then Ill do. Maybe it doesn't work maybe it does, but Ill keep doing until Im told by players "no it def" doesn't work. For now Ill take solace in trap coming out applauding a half an hour after the game, given coming right over from the goal, duff coming over and all the others ive left out :D as a sign that they appreciate it and it makes a difference.

If i want to go to watch a match i go to a premiership match.

[eaststand85]

[QUOTE=eaststand85;1175552]


No not because you don't sing or because you sit down or even focus on the game, but all 3 combined together give me the impression of someone who goes to "watch" a match as opposed to support a team. I make no bones about singing the whole time, probably a lot of time even annoying people, but I also watch and focus on the game, but if me singing can in any small way help gee the team up then Ill do. Maybe it doesn't work maybe it does, but Ill keep doing until Im told by players "no it def" doesn't work. For now Ill take solace in trap coming out applauding a half an hour after the game, given coming right over from the goal, duff coming over and all the others ive left out :D as a sign that they appreciate it and it makes a difference.

If i want to go to watch a match i go to a premiership match.

As pointed out already I do sing and chant but that doesn't necessarily mean everyone has to stand up for the whole game which is what this thread is about.

[paul_oshea]

Yes but it definitely doesn't go on that much with those who sit down, maybe once every 15 minutes or when a corner is given there is a small cheer. The atmosphere the Bulgarians generated was just brilliant. I Would love if we could do the same at home. And I didnt see too many of them sitting either.

[pineapple stu]

that doesn't necessarily mean everyone has to stand up for the whole game which is what this thread is about.
That's not what the thread is about at all. It's about why there isn't a split for people who want to sit and for those who want to stand. The only person who brought in what everyone should do is yourself, when you wondered why anyone would stand in a seated area which was designed for seating.

It's very annoying when you want to stand and sing, and someone beside you or behind you tells you to sit down. Both should be catered for.

[Junior]

For now Ill take solace in trap coming out applauding a half an hour after the game, given coming right over from the goal, duff coming over and all the others ive left out :D as a sign that they appreciate it and it makes a difference.

sure how do you know they werent applauding eastend also?......wait a minute of course they were. They were applauding all the Irish fans who made their way out to Sofia to watch/support the team.

Too many 'fan' police in this internet era (this not directly aimed at you here Paul) but it gets fcukin tedious reading it all the time but hard to avoid all the same.

you should stand up or yer not a proper fan
you should sing constantly or yer not a proper fan
you should only wear a replica ireland soccer jersey or yer not a proper fan
you should use the phrase 'barstooler' at least once every other post or yer not a real fan.............
Im not sure whether wearing a leprechaun outfit (really not my thing) makes you a real fan or not but you get the picture......It takes all sorts............

[Sligo Hornet]

Yes but it definitely doesn't go on that much with those who sit down, maybe once every 15 minutes or when a corner is given there is a small cheer. The atmosphere the Bulgarians generated was just brilliant. I Would love if we could do the same at home. And I didnt see too many of them sitting either.

Especially at the far end, when alot of their fans set fire to their seats!!:eek:

[paul_oshea]

They were giving eaststand a hint, sit and we burn your seats ;)

[eaststand85]

That's not what the thread is about at all. It's about why there isn't a split for people who want to sit and for those who want to stand. The only person who brought in what everyone should do is yourself, when you wondered why anyone would stand in a seated area which was designed for seating.

It's very annoying when you want to stand and sing, and someone beside you or behind you tells you to sit down. Both should be catered for.

[/QUOTE]

I was only making the point that it can be equally annoying if you've a ticket for a designated seated area and someone insists on standing up (for the whole game obviously, not in those situations where everyone's singing together or straining to see a chance) which means everyone behind has to do the same whether they want to or not. Agree both types of fan should be catered for which is why I'm a fan of the singing section in Croke Park.

[eaststand85]

sure how do you know they werent applauding eastend also?......wait a minute of course they were. They were applauding all the Irish fans who made their way out to Sofia to watch/support the team.

Too many 'fan' police in this internet era (this not directly aimed at you here Paul) but it gets fcukin tedious reading it all the time but hard to avoid all the same.

you should stand up or yer not a proper fan
you should sing constantly or yer not a proper fan
you should only wear a replica ireland soccer jersey or yer not a proper fan
you should use the phrase 'barstooler' at least once every other post or yer not a real fan.............
Im not sure whether wearing a leprechaun outfit (really not my thing) makes you a real fan or not but you get the picture......It takes all sorts............


Cheers Junior, made the same point earlier, everyone shows their support in different ways and sitting down does not make anyone less of a fan/supporter.

[eaststand85]

They were giving eaststand a hint, sit and we burn your seats ;)

After three days on the beer my ar$e was on fire anyway!! :):)

[Sligo Hornet]

After three days on the beer my ar$e was on fire anyway!! :):)

So why didn't you stand then?;)

[Newryrep]

I have mentioned this before.

The demographic of our support is such that some fans are not capable of standing for the whole game(never mind in that heat). Added to that, you have clowns who land in late and decide to stand in stairwells, forcing everyone round them to stand.

I think it is something the FAI could look at- get people to indicate if they want to sit, then allocate tickets for those people at the front. Anyone who wants to stand can, at the back.

Since they have 'allowed' standing at CP , dont see why they cant do it for away games - specify on you ticket application standing or sitting*

* away games tend to be free for alls though but at least there would be a 'standing' section if anybody moaned

[eaststand85]

So why didn't you stand then?;)

I did but the view wasn't great with everyone else standing too, wonder if we all shouldn't have just have sat down? :p:p

[Sligo Hornet]

eaststand[/b]85;1175638]I did but the view wasn't great with everyone else standing too, wonder if we all shouldn't have just have sat down? :p:p

Perhaps in a reflective moment you might think prudent to ask dahamsta to change your name to "eastsit85"

[eaststand85]

Perhaps in a reflective moment you might think prudent to ask dahamsta to change your name to "eastsit85"

Boom, boom! :)
This is (hopefully!) my last post on the matter so to summarise:

I have no problem with standing, sitting, singing, chanting, flag waving, beach ball throwing etc. and depending on what form I'm in I may partake in all or none of the above during a match but I generally prefer to sit due to nerves.

I think that where possible it would be a great idea to accommodate fans who want to sit and stand in separate areas but where that's not possible everybody should consider those around them.

Those who prefer to stand normally should consider they may be blocking the view and enjoyment of others before deciding whether to stand in the aisles or on top of seats and those who prefer to sit should consider that sometimes the majority would prefer to stand, and everyone should consider that all of us show our support in different ways so can't we all just get along people?? :)

I think I may have spent too long on this thread today!!

[paul_oshea]

what about mexican waves?

[zenokelly]

sure how do you know they werent applauding eastend also?......wait a minute of course they were. They were applauding all the Irish fans who made their way out to Sofia to watch/support the team.

Too many 'fan' police in this internet era (this not directly aimed at you here Paul) but it gets fcukin tedious reading it all the time but hard to avoid all the same.

you should stand up or yer not a proper fan
you should sing constantly or yer not a proper fan
you should only wear a replica ireland soccer jersey or yer not a proper fan
you should use the phrase 'barstooler' at least once every other post or yer not a real fan.............
Im not sure whether wearing a leprechaun outfit (really not my thing) makes you a real fan or not but you get the picture......It takes all sorts............

Great post, I agree with everything here.
By the way, I detest sitting at football matches, I believe if you want to sit and watch a match, there's always the perfest pub..., or your own living room.

However, the elderly, and the young should be accomodated if need be, but seriously travelling fans should know the story by this stage on away trips that the vast majority of fans do stand.

As for the internet police, couldn't agree more!
Remember, people are entitled to do what they want.
People wearing leprechaun suits are slated on this site and YBIG (Ive never worn 1 and never plan to wear 1) and it really just adds a bit of colour to the occasion, no harm. I don't believe that it'd be a normal away trip if there weren't fellas wearing them.
And another is anti-British songs, again I don't ever recall singing one but for those that do, arguing about them online isn't going to stop them, and they still are fellow fans.

By the way that's not aimed at this thread or Paul.

[bennocelt]

I have got into a few arguments over this -I dont care - If its a big game and my nerves are on edge I stand, end of story.

I often wonder why certain people attend "soccer" games!!!! Would the Gah not be enough for you!
Its very hard to shout your support to your team if you are sitting down.

And I HATE Mexcian waves