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Draw takes place June 25th
Setanta Sports Cup 2009/10
Match Window 1 Friday 28th / Saturday 29th August 2009
Match Window 2 Friday 18th / Saturday 19th / Monday 21st September 2009
Match Window 3 Friday 2nd / Saturday 3rd / Monday 5th / Tuesday 6th October 2009
Match Window 4 Monday 2nd / Tuesday 3rd / Monday 9th / Tuesday 10th November 2009
Match Window 5 Friday 26th / Saturday 27th February 2010
Match Window 6 Saturday 13th March 2010
Semi Final 1
1st leg: Monday 29th March 2010
2nd leg: Saturday 17th April 2010
Semi Final 2
1st leg: Saturday 3rd April 2010
2nd leg: Monday 19th April 2010
Final
Saturday 15th May 2010
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Pats games possibly affected
Fri. August 28th St. Patrick's Athletic v Drogheda United
Fri. September 18th Galway United v St. Patrick's Athletic
Fri. October 2nd St. Patrick's Athletic v Sligo Rovers
pól-dcfc
27/05/2009, 3:32 PM
I'm very surprised that this is going ahead. Pleasantly surprised. I hope to god we get Coleraine.
Class. So clubs not even involved in this competition could end up having to move fixtures to midweek, costing them money through smaller gates.
This competition should have been kept in midweek, and for that matter changed to a two legged knockout format instead of these stupid 3 team groups.
sligoman
27/05/2009, 3:38 PM
Bohs H, Cork A and Pat's A are the fixtures affecting us...only loss in crowd numbers is the Bohs game so not too bad*.
*I know there's more next season.
gufc2000
27/05/2009, 3:58 PM
The final looks ages away. I see one of our games will be affected, the last thing we need
Class. So clubs not even involved in this competition could end up having to move fixtures to midweek, costing them money through smaller gates.
This competition should have been kept in midweek, and for that matter changed to a two legged knockout format instead of these stupid 3 team groups.
Still two groups of four this season, is it not? I agree though, three team groups are an abomination, especially if you end up with another LoI team.
Nope, 3 groups of 3 this year.
The new format, which will see clubs split into three groups of three, should ensure that the groups remain competitive right to the end.
It means less games for those involved (from 6 to 4) and with 6 "match days" available, some leeway is there
Ezeikial
27/05/2009, 6:25 PM
I presume that revenue from the inital 4 matches only (to the end of November) will qualify in assessing adherance to the 65% Salary Protocol, and that subsequent gates income and prize money will be irrelevant to 2009 season?
If so, would participating clubs have been fully aware of this when preparing their budgets?
Similarly, the reduced revenue through less games?
refjohn
27/05/2009, 7:34 PM
I presume that revenue from the inital 4 matches only (to the end of November) will qualify in assessing adherance to the 65% Salary Protocol, and that subsequent gates income and prize money will be irrelevant to 2009 season?
If so, would participating clubs have been fully aware of this when preparing their budgets?
Similarly, the reduced revenue through less games?
The 3 groups of 3 was announced before last season's final so all teams would have known.
sheao
27/05/2009, 10:15 PM
City's league games which clash with the potential setanta cup dates:
August 28th Dundalk (a)
September 18th Sligo (h)
October 2nd Derry (h)
peadar1987
28/05/2009, 1:26 AM
Bray's League games which... Oh... :(
dcfcsteve
28/05/2009, 11:17 AM
Madness !
Given that the 2009 Setanta won't finish until mid-2010, if the tournament continues after then it will be difficult to not effectively skip a year at some point.
For example - if the Setanta that follows the next one similarly starts in 2010 and ends mid-2011, which team performances will be used to qualify for it from the Irish League ? The 2009/10 winners, or the 2010/11 winners ?
Then there's the big question over whether Setanta will still even exist as a business come May 2010.
SSC draw "postponed"
http://breakingnews.ie/sport/setanta-cup-draw-postponed-415897.html
SMorgan
22/06/2009, 5:04 PM
Let's face it, There won't be a Setanta Cup or indeed a Setanta TV station in a few months. They lost the SPL today.
iceman
22/06/2009, 6:09 PM
Let's face it, There won't be a Setanta Cup or indeed a Setanta TV station in a few months. They lost the SPL today.
Time to cancel the direct debit I think.
Martinho II
22/06/2009, 7:23 PM
its a pity as their coverage of both setanta cup and league of ireland was way better than rtes. thats not good news considering the rumours about setanta ireland being profitable and wouldnt be touched at all.:( will miss if they go.
what is with north south competitions that they never last so long :o
I wouldn't go cancelling anything just yet. Setanta Ireland is a separate company as already said, and on The Last Word tonight (only half heard it mind), there seemed to be some talk that there was a chance they might yet hold on to some of that football over here. Worth waiting to see anyway?
DmanDmythDledge
22/06/2009, 9:05 PM
Setanta Ireland is a separate company and is running at a profit so good chance their coverage of LOI will continue.
Sheridan
22/06/2009, 9:09 PM
I don't think they're sufficiently separate to escape the liquidators, sadly.
Dodge
22/06/2009, 10:11 PM
Setanta Ireland is a separate company and is running at a profit so good chance their coverage of LOI will continue.
Profits that the British companies' creditors want apparently
word is that the whole operation is gone...
sheao
22/06/2009, 10:15 PM
Looks like we'll get to keep the SSC forever :D .
Réiteoir
22/06/2009, 10:17 PM
Profits that the British companies' creditors want apparently
word is that the whole operation is gone...
Aye - saw something to that effect on that front just now.
Spare a thought for JW in all of this - looks like he's now out of a job on that front - very sad
Looks like we'll get to keep the SSC forever :D .
Or at least until mid-July.
SkStu
22/06/2009, 11:26 PM
did the FAI not say a few weeks ago that there were alternate options available should Setanta have to pull out of the Cup?
Dodge
22/06/2009, 11:45 PM
did the FAI not say a few weeks ago that there were alternate options available should Setanta have to pull out of the Cup?
Doesn't mean they meant it though, and without TV coverage (and the relevent money), whats the point?
MariborKev
23/06/2009, 8:09 AM
Gate receipts Dodge,
Every club will have budgeted for them.....
At most 2 gate recipts this season, possibly only 1. I'd imagine that Derry would be more effected than most here as the crowd at Pats v Glentoran or Crusaders wouldn't be that profitable with ssecurity costs so high. Even still though, every little helps.
Also talking to someone connected with a club earlier (not Pats btw) and some of their sponsorship packages had Setanta games linked in. Some sponsors looking to cut back etc so he feels 1/2 may simply not pay what was agreed. It’s a complication that clubs don't need
MariborKev
23/06/2009, 10:02 AM
Aye Dodge,
The Setanta games would be amongst the highest gates of the season for us. Also we can charge higher for match sponsorship etc for the competition.
Don't think we would lose much money on gate receipts due to cost of travelling to away games. Setanta Cup group games rarely more the 1500 crowd & we need to rent ground & provide security.
That said no club can affords to lose any money in these tough times.
Longfordian
23/06/2009, 3:34 PM
Setanta Ireland and Setanta International are to remain on the air while a buyer is sought for them according to Setanta Sports' administrators today. Their UK channels are gone. What this means for the Setanta Cup I don't know.
Or at least until mid-July.
We'll probably find out when the teams involved meet on thursday.
LukeO
23/06/2009, 10:42 PM
Paddy Power are now taking odds on who might replace Setanta as sponsors of the competition... in incredibly bad taste if you ask me seeing as hundreds of people are losing their jobs as a result of Setanta's demise. http://www.thebohs.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif
http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_event&category=SPECIALS&class_sort=--&ev_id=1493434&ev_class_id=58&ev_type_id=11688&force_racing_css=N
It's hard to see a way forward for the competition. The only way I think it could be salvaged is if the FAI and IFA were to join forces and try to work it in with the TV packages for the international games with Sky or someone. But it would almost certainly require a sponsor independent of the TV channel as no station is going to offer the kind of deal Setanta did, given the poor return they got despite substantial investment.
It might have to be subsidised by both associations to get it up and running again, in the way the FAI effectively subsidise MNS. It would require some really serious hard work and cooperation between the two over the coming months as it would be very difficult to get a major sponsor as well as a TV station on board in time for its scheduled start in September. Whether they have the appetite for that remains to be seen, but most clubs would accept the reality of reduced prize money at this stage.
But I think that both the FAI and IFA would rather an All-Ireland Cup competition in some shape or form as it appears they are keen on killing talk of an All-Ireland League 'by kindness'.
In terms of the structure of the competition and how it could be made viable, there are simply too many teams in the competition. There were to be nine teams in it this season. If it is to be kept on, from next year, there should only be six. Outside of Glentoran, Linfield, Cliftonville and perhaps Portadown, the teams up north that have been competing in it simply are not good enough, are not big enough draws and add little or nothing to the competition. It should only have the best sides from either of the border, not every also-ran who finishes third or wins a tinpot League Cup. That would inevitably mean us (Bohs) missing out in the future, but so be it.
Sheridan
23/06/2009, 10:48 PM
Paddy Power are now taking odds on who might replace Setanta as sponsors of the competition... in incredibly bad taste if you ask me seeing as hundreds of people are losing their jobs as a result of Setanta's demise. http://www.thebohs.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif
http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_event&category=SPECIALS&class_sort=--&ev_id=1493434&ev_class_id=58&ev_type_id=11688&force_racing_css=N
Nice little no-lose proposition for PP there. Note the wording. None of those entities will replace Setanta as sponsor of the competition, they're not in the habit of sponsoring tournaments themselves. They may conceivably replace them as broadcaster.
MariborKev
25/06/2009, 4:09 PM
Statement issued on behalf of the Setanta Sports Cup Organising Committee
June 25th, 2009
The Setanta Sports Cup Organising Committee today (June 25) met with participating clubs to discuss issues surrounding its sponsorship of the competition. The broadcaster has written to the organising committee outlining their intention to secure the future of their Irish operation. They also underlined that they are positively disposed to the Setanta Sports Cup. Setanta Sports has made a commitment to remain in close contact with the organising committee while they endeavour to secure their Irish operation.
The Setanta Sports Cup Organising Committee, the FAI and the IFA will continue working closely with Setanta Sports during this process. Clubs were understanding of the situation and will be kept informed of developments.
ENDS
dcfc1928
25/06/2009, 6:19 PM
Sounds reasonablyish positive.
DmanDmythDledge
26/06/2009, 5:16 PM
Did the clubs get the prize money they were due this week? I presume not...
Inside Man
26/06/2009, 8:13 PM
Did the clubs get the prize money they were due this week? I presume not...
Prize money is given out sometime after the draw is made.
AnnaghRed
26/06/2009, 10:53 PM
Be amazed if gate receipts for any club justified keeping this competition going, lowest crowds i've ever seen for a senior competitive fixture at shamrock park
refjohn
26/06/2009, 11:37 PM
Think Derry are the exception to rule on gate receipts - huge crowds for games via Blues & Glens and large travelling support certainly added to Linfield & Glentoran's coffers. Novelty factor of these ties certainly helped and the desire to see Derry defeat Irish League opposition definitely a factor.
I think the stop / start format of the competition doesnt help - I wonder if a straight knockoutplaed at fortnightly intervals (maybe 1st round 2 legged) would help - easier to keep interest and less likely to have meaningless games.
SMorgan
27/06/2009, 7:32 AM
It has to be remembered that even with the big money that Setanta were pumping into the competition Linfield and Glentoran played weakened teams in some matches. They also never seemed to shut-up complaining about the competition as well. They always appeared to be going on about how the competition favoured LOI clubs and threatened on a number of ocassions to withdraw.
Take away the Setanta money and reduce the prize money and I think the competition simply won't work. The will just isn't there from North of the border.
tiktok
30/06/2009, 7:57 AM
Take away the Setanta money and reduce the prize money and I think the competition simply won't work. The will just isn't there from North of the border.
I'm not sure the will is there from South of the border either in cicumstances where the money would be reduced.
Even as winners last season the competition was dying a death in Cork, we were sick of rolling over Cliftonville, Dungannon and Portadown in the group games [it seemed to get less competitive in the group stages the longer it was around], the crowds we were getting to games were atrocious, people seemed to be bored with it in general. Last season, breaking it up over opposite ends of the season only added to the farce. Factor in 12-16 hours on a bus over a Monday or Tuesday night for players and staff aswell, not to mention Jeffries constant whinging about every little thing.
I for one wouldn't miss it, nice as the money for winning it was.
Take away the Setanta money and reduce the prize money and I think the competition simply won't work. The will just isn't there from North of the border.
I'm not sure you can single out Northern clubs at all.
Candystripe
30/06/2009, 10:30 PM
As for crowds, Derry averaged over 4,000 for home games in the three years we played in it.
micls
02/07/2009, 10:27 AM
As for crowds, Derry averaged over 4,000 for home games in the three years we played in it.
Well its easier with a 'non-rigged' draw to give ye the 2 biggest teams, which ye have big rivalries with and will bring 1000 away fans....
MariborKev
02/07/2009, 10:31 AM
micls,
Read what he said. Home crowds. The Glens and the Blues could only bring 200 fans to those games, max.
micls
02/07/2009, 10:36 AM
micls,
Read what he said. Home crowds. The Glens and the Blues could only bring 200 fans to those games, max.
200 max? I thought there were more in the games I had watched.
It doesnt really affect the point though. They're the 2 biggest teams, which ye have big rivalries with, and who will also drag out a lot of people to 'see what happens'.
There's a reason the crowds were higher than yere average home games in the league and it's not Glentorans footballing ability.
Bar ye're games vs Glens and Linfield, all other attendances have been disappointing to say the least. People just dont care. Even the Linfield Glens game doesnt come near a decent league attendance
Schumi
02/07/2009, 10:37 AM
micls,
Read what he said. Home crowds. The Glens and the Blues could only bring 200 fans to those games, max.
But still, Linfield and Glentoran (who mysteriously have been in the same group as Derry every year) would be a big draw for Derry fans while Portadown, Dungannon or whoever wouldn't be for fans of other clubs.
Dodge
02/07/2009, 10:38 AM
For the record corwds at our games were OK. Not the blockbuster some would have led us to believe but usually around the same mark as league games
Well its easier with a 'non-rigged' draw to give ye the 2 biggest teams, which ye have big rivalries with and will bring 1000 away fans....
Rigged draw? Surely not? How could they even do such a thing? I know the draws done in private but don't they have the same guy who checks the National Lottery to oversee? :p
What will Jeffries find to complain about without the Setanta Cup?
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