Twigg: Irish sides on par with Scots

[Pablo Escobar]

In pure football terms our sides are nowhere near the level of the SPL sides in terms of ball retention ,fitness and coaching standards .

I would seriously disagree regarding our top teams.

[Duggie]

I would seriously disagree regarding our top teams.

i think hes right :(

[RoversHead]

Well watch Bohs and Drogs on friday night ,the ball will spend more time in the air than on the deck,count the times the keepers give the ball to the full backs and have a look at the passing sequences as in how long each side keeps the ball before giving it away .The set pieces will either be a shot over the bar or a hoof into the box.Throw ins will be comical as both sides will struggle to create space and resort to the schoolboy down the line stuff.Finally count the players who can use both feet.Two banks of four and two up front Drogs may go one up with five in middle as they feel inferior.Light years behind the rest of the coaching world,how many Irish coaches in demand abroad?

[passinginterest]

Well watch Bohs and Drogs on friday night ,the ball will spend more time in the air than on the deck,count the times the keepers give the ball to the full backs and have a look at the passing sequences as in how long each side keeps the ball before giving it away .The set pieces will either be a shot over the bar or a hoof into the box.Throw ins will be comical as both sides will struggle to create space and resort to the schoolboy down the line stuff.Finally count the players who can use both feet.Two banks of four and two up front Drogs may go one up with five in middle as they feel inferior.Light years behind the rest of the coaching world,how many Irish coaches in demand abroad?

Sounds like most of the English and Scottish Premier league games that grace our television screens each week to be honest. Two footed players and keepers using their fullbacks is an all too rare thing in these Isles, it has a lot to do with the aggressive style of play with teams pressing right up the pitch. Continental teams are much happier to allow the opposition to play out from the back and only press in their own half.

[Calcio Jack]

Being surrounded by better players who enable you to score goals would also equate with being surrounded by better defenders who help stop you scoring those goals, though.

Let's not forget that Rovers are only 4th in the table - suggesting that on-balance the players there to stop Twigg scoring are better at their jobs than the players there to help him score.

So his suggestion just doesn't stack up.

Actually your logic IMO is 'fuzzy'.... what actually counts is the fact that the Rovers players he's surrounded by are better than the Brechin players...thus he gets a much higher number of chances and hence more goals (assuming he converts the chances) .

So even if the quality of defender is better (which is a separate debate) Twigg's suggestion that he's scoring more goals on account of being surrounded by better players does stack up ... the referecne to Rovers being in 4th place is of no relevence to this particualr debate as Rovers could be in last place and Twigg could still have scored 10 goals

[RoversHead]

Sounds like most of the English and Scottish Premier league games that grace our television screens each week to be honest. Two footed players and keepers using their fullbacks is an all too rare thing in these Isles, it has a lot to do with the aggressive style of play with teams pressing right up the pitch. Continental teams are much happier to allow the opposition to play out from the back and only press in their own half.Most defenders in our league cant pass water and ball controll is the worst Ive seen anywhere thats why it pays to press them ,on the continent it pays to let them have it because two strikers pressing four players who are comfortable on the ball is waste of energy.

[the-blue-harp]

does anyone really care?? also what is all this comparison bullcrap. On their day drogs took dynamo kiev to the wire, did anyone see that coming? so to say that we couldnt compete is silly.

also i would like to add that if any of our top 4 got the revenue of celtic and rangers visiting our club twice a year we would not be talking about the revenue commisioner every week.

[Straightstory]

Why on earth would Aberdeen/Dundee

If the LoI is as good as the SPL, it begs the question why Twigg's scoring record is better in the LoI than it was in the Scottish Division Two.

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Kevin Doyle's scoring average with Reading in the Premier League was about the same as his LOI average with Cork. LOI equal to Premier League?

[peadar1987]

Kevin Doyle's scoring average with Reading in the Premier League was about the same as his LOI average with Cork. LOI equal to Premier League?

No, he just has better players around him at Reading. ;)

[OneRedArmy]

Best thread in ages.

FACT.

[pineapple stu]

Isn't that Dodge's line?

[Mcgeady46]

This is a painful painful thread! People are fooling themselves with this no matter how much you want this to be true it just isn't.

The top 3 eams in the LOI would survive relegation in the SPL and would knock around promotion/ playoffs in League one in england.

A league of Ireland select IX would be lucky to finish above relegation in the championship maybe mid table.

Hibs are 6th in the SPL and can anyone (who has ever seen hibs and bohs play) honestly say that bohs are better than hibs?? sadly not!

I wish this was not the case but it is!! deal with it and stop fooling yourself

[Duggie]

This is a painful painful thread! People are fooling themselves with this no matter how much you want this to be true it just isn't.

The top 3 eams in the LOI would survive relegation in the SPL and would knock around promotion/ playoffs in League one in england.

A league of Ireland select IX would be lucky to finish above relegation in the championship maybe mid table.

Hibs are 6th in the SPL and can anyone (who has ever seen hibs and bohs play) honestly say that bohs are better than hibs?? sadly not!

I wish this was not the case but it is!! deal with it and stop fooling yourself

they would soo be relegated from the championship

[pineapple stu]

Especially starting every game two players down.

[Dodge]

Isn't that Dodge's line?

I live to give, pineapple...

[pineapple stu]

That just sounds so wrong, for some reason...

Edit - damn your edit!

[fergalr]

Best thread in ages.

FACT.

Ah, but is it as good as the thread on fitba.co.uk?

[Port Saint]

Kinda true.

The top four in the Premier would do well to survive in the SPL in my mind.

Maybe if we are to have the Setanta Cup, would including the top two in the scottish 1st to make things more interesting?

Invite the teams that finish at the top of the bottem half of the SPL and it has the added bonus of making the run in more exciting for teams that are safe from relegation prior to that split.

[BohDiddley]

League player bigs up domestic game shock.

Pity more wouldn't do it. So often our players and managers, and especially our media and our pundits, spend their time apologizing for it or knocking it. I don't see the need to subject Twigg's impression to sliderule analysis (and he did just play Bohs last week ;)).

He thinks it's good: that's ok by me.

[citybone]

This is a painful painful thread! People are fooling themselves with this no matter how much you want this to be true it just isn't.

The top 3 eams in the LOI would survive relegation in the SPL and would knock around promotion/ playoffs in League one in england.

A league of Ireland select IX would be lucky to finish above relegation in the championship maybe mid table.

Hibs are 6th in the SPL and can anyone (who has ever seen hibs and bohs play) honestly say that bohs are better than hibs?? sadly not!

I wish this was not the case but it is!! deal with it and stop fooling yourself
Cork City beat a Hibs in 2005 with a weak team the few 1st teamers who did play that game were taken off at half time when we we were 3-0 up, ill admit
it was one of there first pre-season games but they had a strong team out with Riorden and brown playing.