View Full Version : Do you want barstoolers in the LOI?
peadar1987
08/05/2009, 1:18 PM
I was discussing this with someone on another forum, and he said essentially that the LOI was a ****e standard, had a crap atmosphere, and even if people did want to go, LOI supporters would treat them with contempt for being blow-ins.
In my experience, people are happy to have you at a game, and won't generally judge you because you don't know who the short lad on the right wing is.
The question is, if some miracle of marketing swept across the country, and it suddenly became cool to support the LOI, with 5-figure attendances not-uncommon, would you be happy at the success of the league, or resent all the people who used to be barstoolers?
Sheridan
08/05/2009, 1:20 PM
Pointless question IMO, it's like asking the church if they want atheists at mass. They wouldn't be atheists anymore.
Rovers1
08/05/2009, 1:21 PM
Id be happy, more money/interest for the clubs. Can't be bad!
Ridiculous question. Once they go to games they instantly stop becoming barstoolers.
The more the merrier. Its not as if everyone going to games at the moment is a top class supporter.
Drogman.
08/05/2009, 1:21 PM
I was discussing this with someone on another forum, and he said essentially that the LOI was a ****e standard, had a crap atmosphere, and even if people did want to go, LOI supporters would treat them with contempt for being blow-ins.
In my experience, people are happy to have you at a game, and won't generally judge you because you don't know who the short lad on the right wing is.
The question is, if some miracle of marketing swept across the country, and it suddenly became cool to support the LOI, with 5-figure attendances not-uncommon, would you be happy at the success of the league, or resent all the people who used to be barstoolers?
Resent? Are you joking?
I'm sure Munster and Leinster are pis*ed off with all the "new" fans they've got over the years.
I only dream of that day happening in the LOI!
thischarmingman
08/05/2009, 1:28 PM
LOI supporters would treat them with contempt for being blow-ins.
How on earth can you tell someone's a blow-in?
It's an excuse, simple as. Yet another flimsy, unreasonable, unjustifiable excuse.
even if people did want to go, LOI supporters would treat them with contempt for being blow-ins.
That's just the latest bs excuse people used, especially when standards were higher and decent euro results were coming. It doesn't stop them going to UK games where they are generally despised.
I would say the opposite is the case in anyway, with new fans welcomed. But they don't let the facts get in the way of an excuse.
We've a long way to go before the issues that'd cause resentment, like getting into the ground and massive price hikes on the back of it, would even raise their head.
peadar1987
08/05/2009, 1:31 PM
How on earth can you tell someone's a blow-in?
When I started, it was fairly obvious I was new because I didn't know who any of the players were, and had to ask the people around me.
I'll be honest, one of my main motives for starting this thread was to give your man some evidence he was talking through his hole.
John83
08/05/2009, 2:46 PM
When I started, it was fairly obvious I was new because I didn't know who any of the players were, and had to ask the people around me.
I remember being the same. I'm sure most people were like that at first, except for people who first came as kids who probably experienced it differently. People are nice to newcommers in my experience.
As someone else pointed out above, the hardcore fans of the big teams in England have no time at all for the blow ins - understandable really, as they make tickets expensive and hard to get.
Actually, we probably have case studies here: Dundalk, Sligo, Longford, Drogheda and Cork have all seen substantial increases in attendences based on successes in recent memory. Any stories of resentment there? I've not heard any.
pineapple stu
08/05/2009, 2:46 PM
Never really made it hard to get tickets at those grounds, I suppose.
When I started, it was fairly obvious I was new because I didn't know who any of the players were, and had to ask the people around me
Which means you've played into the hands of most football fans, and indeed most men.
There's nothing we like more than the feeling on knowing more than somebody else about something, however fleeting that feeling lasts
the more the merrier in my opinion. We cant afford to be w*nkers about it. What i do despise is stuff like the oh-so-predictable 30,000 fans turning up in Lansdowne for Shels Deportivo and never being seen again. It made me sick and confirmed my hatred for our "soccer mad" event junkies....
see also: Irish fans of Celtic showing up en masse to cheers on Larsson (for Helsingborgs??) against Drogheda, whilst booing Drogheda. So they were cheering on a Swedish team who were playing against an Irish team simply because the Swedish team had a swedish player that used to play for a Scottish club.
A new low.
John83
08/05/2009, 2:50 PM
Never really made it hard to get tickets at those grounds, I suppose.
Probably not. Certainly not consistently enough to be a major headache.
gustavo
08/05/2009, 3:14 PM
I think people should be turned away from the grounds if they're played an audio clip of Andy Gray and recognize his voice , That way we can guarantee these filthy barstoolers are prevented from sullying our game with their "money" and "support" which quite frankly are not needed and are an intrusion
dcfcsteve
08/05/2009, 4:03 PM
I was discussing this with someone on another forum, and he said essentially that the LOI was a ****e standard, had a crap atmosphere, and even if people did want to go, LOI supporters would treat them with contempt for being blow-ins.
In my experience, people are happy to have you at a game, and won't generally judge you because you don't know who the short lad on the right wing is.
The question is, if some miracle of marketing swept across the country, and it suddenly became cool to support the LOI, with 5-figure attendances not-uncommon, would you be happy at the success of the league, or resent all the people who used to be barstoolers?
I can't believe you invested any part of your life discussing this with someone...! :eek:
Do barstoolers walk around with it stamped on their forehead or something ? :confused:
Maybe at a club with small crowds it's easier to tell who is a "blow-in" and who isn't, but the idea that they would be instantly visible in the first place, and then subject to scorn in the second, is just daftness to the power of two....!
I've yet to hear of a football club who's fans want to turn away support. Well - not deliberately anyway....
Part of me resents having to leave 10/15 mins earlier then normal just so i can get my usual seat when theres a (relatively) big game on in Terryland due to larger crowd.A small part does,the rest of me is delighted and slightly amused to hear "go on number 10" from someone around me:).
Red&White Rover
08/05/2009, 7:26 PM
No problem at all, as long as they don't start harping on like they know everything and claim they've been fans all their life...
irishultra
08/05/2009, 7:41 PM
the more the merrier in my opinion. We cant afford to be w*nkers about it. What i do despise is stuff like the oh-so-predictable 30,000 fans turning up in Lansdowne for Shels Deportivo and never being seen again. It made me sick and confirmed my hatred for our "soccer mad" event junkies....
see also: Irish fans of Celtic showing up en masse to cheers on Larsson (for Helsingborgs??) against Drogheda, whilst booing Drogheda. So they were cheering on a Swedish team who were playing against an Irish team simply because the Swedish team had a swedish player that used to play for a Scottish club.
A new low.
perhaps the most pathetic and at the same time disgusting thing I have ever heard. Did the Drogheda fans reply with anything? I wouldn't be aggressive but that kind of thing would have made my blood boil:mad:
thischarmingman
08/05/2009, 11:49 PM
perhaps the most pathetic and at the same time disgusting thing I have ever heard. Did the Drogheda fans reply with anything? I wouldn't be aggressive but that kind of thing would have made my blood boil:mad:
"Celtic" fans (from Derry) at the friendly last year to Derry fans: "You're supposed to be at home..."
gustavo
09/05/2009, 12:24 AM
"Celtic" fans (from Derry) at the friendly last year to Derry fans: "You're supposed to be at home..."
I hope the reply was something like "You're supposed to be from Derry"
MariborKev
09/05/2009, 12:34 AM
Gustavo.
Derry 3, Glasgow Celtic 2. Lansdowne Road, August 1998. The Carlsberg Tournament.
Bus loads of "Derry Celtic" fans travelled to see their team. Best. Day. Ever.
They got it tight for years afterwards.........
boovidge
09/05/2009, 12:49 AM
"Celtic" fans (from Derry) at the friendly last year to Derry fans: "You're supposed to be at home..."
Jesus, surely some of them must have paused for a moment and thought how ridiculous it was that they were supporting a foreign club against their home town team ...:o
Mental Man
09/05/2009, 1:16 AM
Proper advertising with the media is the way to do it. I am living in Seattle (USA) now and the city just launched a new team to compete in the MLS called the Seattle Sounders FC.
The blitz on the media by the club was amazing to see, papers,tv, radio etc... The result is that the club sold out over 22000 season tickets almost overnight and there are over 30,000 at every home games.
The atmosphere is amazing and even going to away games all over the US you can see great away support numbering a couple of thousand.
I cant understand for the life of me what the FAI are upto, they should take a leaf from the people that run the MLS to see how its done properly
pól-dcfc
09/05/2009, 1:21 AM
Gustavo.
Derry 3, Glasgow Celtic 2. Lansdowne Road, August 1998. The Carlsberg Tournament.
Bus loads of "Derry Celtic" fans travelled to see their team. Best. Day. Ever.
They got it tight for years afterwards.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmUl6-OdnFc&feature=related
:D :D :D
DCFC!
Jesus I hate Celtic. Bloody class.
stamullendrog
09/05/2009, 9:19 AM
perhaps the most pathetic and at the same time disgusting thing I have ever heard. Did the Drogheda fans reply with anything? I wouldn't be aggressive but that kind of thing would have made my blood boil:mad:
yes we did cant remember exactly what now to be honest something along the lines of if your only here for larsson **** off home i think
back of the net
09/05/2009, 1:13 PM
I was discussing this with someone on another forum, and he said essentially that the LOI was a ****e standard, had a crap atmosphere, and even if people did want to go, LOI supporters would treat them with contempt for being blow-ins.
In my experience, people are happy to have you at a game, and won't generally judge you because you don't know who the short lad on the right wing is.
The question is, if some miracle of marketing swept across the country, and it suddenly became cool to support the LOI, with 5-figure attendances not-uncommon, would you be happy at the success of the league, or resent all the people who used to be barstoolers?
what a pointless thread
god i hate the term barstoolers
foxx92
09/05/2009, 1:21 PM
god i hate the term barstoolers
Would you prefer the term 'glory-hunters' or the like?
back of the net
09/05/2009, 1:37 PM
Would you prefer the term 'glory-hunters' or the like?
barstooler term just p8sses me off due to its overuse on this site - simple as that Foxx
peadar1987
10/05/2009, 3:05 PM
One of the posts that sparked this off, for anyone who thinks this is a pointless thread with no bearing on the way some people actually think, from a Shelbourne fan.
no way would i support a franchise team and in no way am i a LOI martyr. Im happy the way things are now. i dont want bigger attendances because i dont want it to turn into british football where it is frowned up to even stand up. i dislike the league and every team and supporter around it, i only love my own club. But i dont respect the football opinion of bar stool football fans because football is just a tv programme to them. im also against this agenda of regional football. if the demand is there then they should be welcomed into the league but no fake madey up teams. Shels, Bohs, rovers and pats are amongst the biggest clubs in the country for a reason. People actually come out to support these teams whilst regional clubs struggle to get into 4 figure attendances. if your for franchise football then please please stay away from our league
Edit: It wasn't me who proposed franchise football, it was someone else, I am completely against the concept.
Pablo Escobar
10/05/2009, 10:47 PM
"Celtic" fans (from Derry) at the friendly last year to Derry fans: "You're supposed to be at home..."
There's a fairly obvious irony in that song......I wonder do they get it? And btw what was the response?
gspain
11/05/2009, 7:51 AM
There's a fairly obvious irony in that song......I wonder do they get it? And btw what was the response?
Do you expect an answer to that question? Just take a look at this photo taken outside Croke Park and see if barstoolers do irony.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q203/gspain_2007/notoforeigngames250207.jpg
A face
11/05/2009, 8:37 AM
Pointless question IMO, it's like asking the church if they want atheists at mass. They wouldn't be atheists anymore.
I dunno, technically you could have a group of atheists at mass and they couls all still be atheists :eek:
It's an excuse, simple as. Yet another flimsy, unreasonable, unjustifiable excuse.
In a nutshell
Do you expect an answer to that question? Just take a look at this photo taken outside Croke Park and see if barstoolers do irony.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q203/gspain_2007/notoforeigngames250207.jpg
That is unreal actually.
Thats said, when we get numbers at Turners Cross its brilliant and definitely eveyone is welcomed with open arms.
thischarmingman
11/05/2009, 9:38 AM
There's a fairly obvious irony in that song......I wonder do they get it? And btw what was the response?
Unfortunatley no-one could find a way to fit, "idiotic" "gullible" "Andy Gray "local team" "bandwagon jumping" and "clowns" into a song in time.
Ronnie
11/05/2009, 9:50 AM
Once shared a house with 2 northern guys, massive Liverpool, Celtic and Sinn Fein supporters. 10 minutes before kick off of AC V Liverpool in Istanbul,I asked the question, would we support our catholic latin brethern, against the prodestant, god save the queen singing, 700 years of oppression,British club......silence followed
peadar1987
11/05/2009, 10:34 AM
Once shared a house with 2 northern guys, massive Liverpool, Celtic and Sinn Fein supporters. 10 minutes before kick off of AC V Liverpool in Istanbul,I asked the question, would we support our catholic latin brethern, against the prodestant, god save the queen singing, 700 years of oppression,British club......silence followed
You mean against Milan Football and Cricket Club?
SunderlandBohs
11/05/2009, 10:37 AM
The barstoolers will not attend league of Ireland games even if they were free in with a pint and pie on arrival. Each game was a 5-goal thriller and Kelly Brooke (Sean from Eastenders for the ladies) was doing a striptease at half-time!
The barstooler is brianwashed by BSkyB, Setanta and British media EPL top four hype. Just look at how many of them know about English football outside the big four or pre-Premiership.
They don't think for themselves, Andy Gray and Jamie Redknapp do that for them.
I can't for the life of me understand how these 'hardcore football fans' don't follow the league? If they are football mad!!
peadar1987
11/05/2009, 11:24 AM
Because the LOI is crap dont'cha know? The pub team they play in (The Kop Reds, or the Stretford Devils, or whatever they have chosen to call themselves) is a higher standard than Bohemians.
boovidge
11/05/2009, 8:22 PM
I dunno, technically you could have a group of atheists at mass and they couls all still be atheists :eek:
In a nutshell
That is unreal actually.
Thats said, when we get numbers at Turners Cross its brilliant and definitely eveyone is welcomed with open arms.
On the mass point, I'm guilty of that, except I'm an agnostic.
That picture makes me slightly sick.
Sheridan
11/05/2009, 8:35 PM
I dunno, technically you could have a group of atheists at mass and they couls all still be atheists :eek:
Yeah. Not very likely though, is it? Incidentally, you should read The Atheist's Mass by Honoré de Balzac, it's very good.
Dodgysnapper
13/05/2009, 9:58 PM
Do you expect an answer to that question? Just take a look at this photo taken outside Croke Park and see if barstoolers do irony.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q203/gspain_2007/notoforeigngames250207.jpg
That pic while funny was photoshopped the guy had a banner but it said something else!
pól-dcfc
13/05/2009, 10:03 PM
That pic while funny was photoshopped the guy had a banner but it said something else!
Are you sure? I remember it on several news sites on the day of the protest... Of course, completely believable that it was shopped.
brianw82
13/05/2009, 10:09 PM
The barstoolers will not attend league of Ireland games even if they were free in with a pint and pie on arrival. Each game was a 5-goal thriller and Kelly Brooke (Sean from Eastenders for the ladies) was doing a striptease at half-time!
The barstooler is brianwashed by BSkyB, Setanta and British media EPL top four hype. Just look at how many of them know about English football outside the big four or pre-Premiership.
They don't think for themselves, Andy Gray and Jamie Redknapp do that for them.
I can't for the life of me understand how these 'hardcore football fans' don't follow the league? If they are football mad!!
It's curious how much of the book 'No Logo' by Naomi Klein can be applied to Irish football fans. So many of them have been 'branded' since birth to support English football without a trace of irony. The same people are now being 'branded' to support the Irish rugby provinces and their GAA county. If you're from Dublin and went about in a Wasps shirt at the RDS, you'd never hear the end of it from the Leinster 'supporters'. Those same people are the ones roaring at Man U on the telly as "we" beat Arsenal. 'Branded' to forget your nationality for one sport, but to embrace it for others.
irishultra
13/05/2009, 10:15 PM
Dave Mcwilliams sums up the barstooler subtly in his book 'the popes children' i laughed.
SunderlandBohs
14/05/2009, 8:23 AM
It's curious how much of the book 'No Logo' by Naomi Klein can be applied to Irish football fans. So many of them have been 'branded' since birth to support English football without a trace of irony. The same people are now being 'branded' to support the Irish rugby provinces and their GAA county. If you're from Dublin and went about in a Wasps shirt at the RDS, you'd never hear the end of it from the Leinster 'supporters'. Those same people are the ones roaring at Man U on the telly as "we" beat Arsenal. 'Branded' to forget your nationality for one sport, but to embrace it for others.
Very true. The problem is not just a football one but an Irish society in a nutshell. We want to be involved in things that are shiney and pretty and fashionable. How many of these Leinster fans were around during the bad old days of Irish rugby?
The thing that gets me is when people call themselves Mancs or Scousers. Or worse when they call me a Mackem. Although I've family and friends over there and look upon the place as my second home, I'm a Dub not a Mackem. And never will be. Hence why I support Bohs because as a lad my dad would take me to games and always told to support your local team. You don't have to be Sunderland supporter to be a Mackem. As long as you live in the Sunderland area or Co.Durham your a Mackem.
dcfcsteve
14/05/2009, 11:17 AM
Very true. The problem is not just a football one but an Irish society in a nutshell. We want to be involved in things that are shiney and pretty and fashionable. How many of these Leinster fans were around during the bad old days of Irish rugby?
The thing that gets me is when people call themselves Mancs or Scousers. Or worse when they call me a Mackem. Although I've family and friends over there and look upon the place as my second home, I'm a Dub not a Mackem. And never will be. Hence why I support Bohs because as a lad my dad would take me to games and always told to support your local team. You don't have to be Sunderland supporter to be a Mackem. As long as you live in the Sunderland area or Co.Durham your a Mackem.
Many people in Newcastle will tell you you only need to live south of the Tyne to be a Mackem.... :)
peadar1987
14/05/2009, 11:20 AM
Very true. The problem is not just a football one but an Irish society in a nutshell. We want to be involved in things that are shiney and pretty and fashionable. How many of these Leinster fans were around during the bad old days of Irish rugby?
The thing that gets me is when people call themselves Mancs or Scousers. Or worse when they call me a Mackem. Although I've family and friends over there and look upon the place as my second home, I'm a Dub not a Mackem. And never will be. Hence why I support Bohs because as a lad my dad would take me to games and always told to support your local team. You don't have to be Sunderland supporter to be a Mackem. As long as you live in the Sunderland area or Co.Durham your a Mackem.
My dad's from Stoke, so I'm a clayhead. Or more colourfully- "A six-fingered-plate-turner"!
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