Harps Vs Shels OFF

[Sheridan]

The bigger question is why it hasn't been touched since IMO.

[Mr A]

Unless it was playable in the first place.....

[Sheridan]

That's not the groundstaff's decision to make, though. Unless they've been advised otherwise from on high, they should have addressed the problem that was identified before the pitch was next used.

[Sam_Heggy]

The bigger question is why it hasn't been touched since IMO.

What was he to do? :confused:

[CSFShels]

Theres a video up on the Shels forum, the pitch did look pretty bad from what we see in it, and I don't blame the ref at all for pulling the game.

[OneRedArmy]

Theres a video up on the Shels forum, the pitch did look pretty bad from what we see in it, and I don't blame the ref at all for pulling the game.

Bad, or dangerous? I watched a couple of DVDs of the LoI in the 80s recently. I'd forgotten how much pitches have come on since then. Abbeycarton, Belgium Park etc. A bad pitch is very different from a dangerous pitch.

[Buile Shuibhne]

Then how come this match is OFF ?


http://www.rte.ie/aertel/238-01.html

[LeixlipRed]

Best post on here in ages.

The guys in this thread should feel ashamed of themselves for spouting such peurile nonsense.

It's the internet, if you don't expect to read purile nonsense here then you're in the wrong place :rolleyes:

[Maynard]

I've seen the video of the pitch...no way was it playable. Players legs and arms would have been torn to shreds. And as Sheridan points out, how the hell can you have a LOI ref deem your pitch unplayable and dangerous and 5 days later it remains untouched? From the outside looking in, I'm afraid to say that Harps appear in rag order, and I wouldn't be surprised if we see an * beside their name soon, or if they drop out altogether.

[Raheny Red]

Either that ref has no regard for player safety or someone broke into Finn Park overnight to help dash their gaf!

[Buile Shuibhne]

Finn Park, the same surface deemed not payable on Friday was passed by an FAI referee today for our A League match against Sligo tonight.
The groundsman didn't touch the pitch since friday, the big question is, how can a ref pass the pitch 5 days after it was turned down and no work done on it since?


Either that ref has no regard for player safety or someone broke into Finn Park overnight to help dash their gaf!


The ref DIDN'T pass the pitch as playable yesterday.

The game was called OFF

[Sam_Heggy]

The ref DIDN'T pass the pitch as playable yesterday.

The game was called OFF

He DID pass the game at 1pm and again at 4pm at 6pm the game was called off due to lying water, it has been raining up here for 3 days.

[Buile Shuibhne]

Methinks it wasn't just the water that lying :confused:

[harps1954]

I have a copy of the email sent from the League Office to both clubs yesterday and it clearly states the pitch at Finn Park IS playable.

The pitch was inspected yesterday in the early afternoon and confirmation was given to both Harps and Sligo that the pitch was playable. However, due to the amount of rain that fell afterwards, the match was postponed due to a waterlogged pitch.

The above are the facts, believe them if you want or not. However, to keep some people happy, don't let simple little things like facts get in the way of a good story.

[Dodge]

in the case of Dodge, doesn't have to use the bit of intelligence and reasoning he has to post and is obviously just resigned to posting nonsense too

If people like CSF and yourself post nonsense about this issue, I'll reply in kind.

Loads of games get called off at short notice. Get over it and move on...

[Hairy Bowsie]

If people like CSF and yourself post nonsense about this issue, I'll reply in kind.

I don't know about CSF but what did i post in this thread that is nonsense?


Loads of games get called off at short notice. Get over it and move on...

What was the last game you know of that was cancelled an hour before kick off?

[Sam_Heggy]

Methinks it wasn't just the water that lying :confused:

So long as the heads not up their own ass it should be fine though

[Dodge]

What was the last game you know of that was cancelled an hour before kick off?

Funnily enough it happened Pats in Finn Park within the last few years.

A few games were called off due to floodlight problems too. I was in Dalymount park once waiting on a Bohs/Pats game that was called off with 20 minutes to kick off.

[pól-dcfc]

Funnily enough it happened Pats in Finn Park within the last few years.

A few games were called off due to floodlight problems too. I was in Dalymount park once waiting on a Bohs/Pats game that was called off with 20 minutes to kick off.

RIDDEN ROCK SOLID!

I demand, I mean DEMAND, that Pats get 10-0 walkovers against Bohs for the next 10 games.

It's a DISGRACE, a NATIONAL DISGRACE! When are the Government going to do something about this??????????

DISGRACE!!!!

[Maynard]

The faux-ignorance on here by people who claim to not see the obvious difference between power failures/acts of God etc and self-inflicted damage that leads to other people being financially hamstrung is stupefying.

You don't like Shels, WE GET IT!

[Dodge]

The faux-ignorance on here by people who claim to not see the obvious difference between power failures/acts of God etc and self-inflicted damage that leads to other people being financially hamstrung is stupefying.


And the completely non-faux ignorance on here by people who think that any club would hamstring THEMSELVES financially just to spite Shels is beyond paranoia...

[pól-dcfc]

And the completely non-faux ignorance on here by people who think that any club would hamstring THEMSELVES financially just to spite Shels is beyond paranoia...

Never a truer word spoken.

Harps are up the left financially. I'm sure the last thing they wanted was to miss out on a gate - probably one of their bigger ones of the season.

[Buile Shuibhne]

Harps are just guilty of trying to repair their pitch on the cheap by buying a job-lot of sand & gravel instead of the proper sand, and then trying to cover it up by pretending there was nothing wrong in having a dangerous pitch covered in parts with gravel.

Incompetance and denial.

[Dodge]

Incompetance and denial.

Should I put another LOL in here Fintan?

All clubs have made (and will make) massive mistakes. Time to move on from this, surely?

[The Lep]

The faux-ignorance on here by people who claim to not see the obvious difference between power failures/acts of God etc and self-inflicted damage that leads to other people being financially hamstrung is stupefying.

You don't like Shels, WE GET IT!

You were cheering against them a short while ago :)

[Buile Shuibhne]

Should I put another LOL in here Fintan?

All clubs have made (and will make) massive mistakes. Time to move on from this, surely?


There's a bigger picture here.

The FAI/Licencing people are cracking down on clubs more firmly now in relation to finances and the wage cap. They've introduced regular in-season checks to monitor and flag more promptly any developing problems.

The whole idea of Licensing is to raise the standards in all areas of the game.

One of the major loopholes in relation to infrastructure, is that where you have plans to move to / construct a new stadium or radically overhaul your existing stadium, then they tend to overlook major deficiencies in your current ground. It's no secret that the pitch at Finn Park has had major problems over the years because of it's proximity to the river and I understand that it's one of the main reasons Harps want to move.

Fair enough - but in the meantime they were given a Premier Div licence even though their pitch is sub-standard. Likewise with Drogheda whose stadium is also below the required standard.

My point is that if we're trying to move the League on, away from such farcical & embarrassing last minute postponements which have happened over the years.


Either a pitch or stadium is up to the required standard or it's not.

Also, like the finances, a pitch may be patched up to pass muster during the close season, but short-term fixes can come undone as the season progresses. Maybe the pitches/stadia should also be assessed on an on-going basis through the season, and if not then sanctions should also be applied?

[Martinho II]

Funnily enough it happened Pats in Finn Park within the last few years.

A few games were called off due to floodlight problems too. I was in Dalymount park once waiting on a Bohs/Pats game that was called off with 20 minutes to kick off.


It doesnt bother me at all if a game is called off at short notice what gets up my nose is the likes of five years ago when we played shels a week after the 2004 cup final and our game was called off an hour into the game due to flooding on the pitch.I know what I would prefer.

[stickyjoe]

It doesnt bother me at all if a game is called off at short notice what gets up my nose is the likes of five years ago when we played shels a week after the 2004 cup final and our game was called off an hour into the game due to flooding on the pitch.I know what I would prefer.

Flooding happens and matches are called off. Thats all fair enough and I don`t think anyone has problems with that. But when stones are put on a pitch days beforehand and a problem is only realised upon a pitch inspection an hour before the game when teams and fans have travelled for 4 hours and taken time off work is a totally different story.

You wouldn`t see this lack of respect and carry on at junior level:o

[Raheny Red]

What was the last game you know of that was cancelled an hour before kick off?

Shels -v- Fingal last season.


RIDDEN ROCK SOLID!

I demand, I mean DEMAND, that Pats get 10-0 walkovers against Bohs for the next 10 games.

It's a DISGRACE, a NATIONAL DISGRACE! When are the Government going to do something about this??????????

DISGRACE!!!!

British or Irish?

[pól-dcfc]

British or Irish?

For the third time in three days, yawn.

Why on earth would it be the British Government? Unless they now have jurisdiction in the South. I don't see why they would get involved in a dispute between Pats and Bohs.

[Sam_Heggy]

Flooding happens and matches are called off. Thats all fair enough and I don`t think anyone has problems with that. But when stones are put on a pitch days beforehand and a problem is only realised upon a pitch inspection an hour before the game when teams and fans have travelled for 4 hours and taken time off work is a totally different story.

You wouldn`t see this lack of respect and carry on at junior level:o

I can't understand what ye were doing taking 4 hours to get to Donegal, it usually only takes me 2 and a half to 3 hours to get to Tolka. :D

[LeixlipRed]

Your car must go faster than a coach full of fans so. Or clearly does if you thought about it.

[Maynard]

And the completely non-faux ignorance on here by people who think that any club would hamstring THEMSELVES financially just to spite Shels is beyond paranoia...

For the record I never, even once, suggested this as even a possibility.

Gross negligence? Certainly.

Self-inflicted? Yep.

On purpose? No.

Still hardly makes it acceptable IMHO. And could lead to a dangerous precedent if not dealt with appropriately.

[Buile Shuibhne]

He DID pass the game at 1pm and again at 4pm at 6pm the game was called off due to lying water, it has been raining up here for 3 days.


I see this A League game played last Saturday, was shifted to Curragh Athletics Oaktree sports complex.

http://www.finnharps.com/009MatchReports/0510ASligo.htm

Is the water still lying?

Will Finn Park be playable this coming weekend?

[corkharps]

It was all Paul Hegarty's fault!

[Sam_Heggy]

I see this A League game played last Saturday, was shifted to Curragh Athletics Oaktree sports complex.

http://www.finnharps.com/009MatchReports/0510ASligo.htm

Is the water still lying?

Will Finn Park be playable this coming weekend?


Nope water not lying but the alternative venue was already set.

[Sam_Heggy]

It was all Paul Hegarty's fault!

I knew it, I knew it all along. :D

[passerrby]

Nope water not lying but the alternative venue was already set.

do you know sammy if any work has been carried out since the cancellation or will it be a problem for our match

[Sam_Heggy]

do you know sammy if any work has been carried out since the cancellation or will it be a problem for our match

A layer of the sand was taken off the pitch and the pitch brushed, it should be in mint condition for Saturday night.

[Sam_Heggy]

Finn Park was passed last night and it was actually said to be one of the top pitches in the LOI at present now :eek:

So, barring unmerciful weather conditions we have the go ahead for the Monaghan game.

I have to say the pitch is the best I have seen it in years, so hopefully the debacle over Finn Park is over and we can get on with climbing to the heady heights of mid table in the first division :D

[Buile Shuibhne]

Finn Park was passed last night :eek:


By who ?



and it was actually said to be one of the top pitches in the LOI at present now

By who ?

[Sam_Heggy]

By who ?




By who ?


1. Passed by John Duffy and Terence Moyne on behlaf of the FAI.

2. FAI officials who looked at the pitch lately.

3. Suck it up.

[Buile Shuibhne]

the lying water?

[Sam_Heggy]

the lying water?

Yes, thats it.

[Réiteoir]

I find it staggering that some fans of a certain club on here are sticking the knife into Harps - whilst conveniently forgetting the whole Tolka Park pitch debacle which led to a fixture being moved to Whitehall whilst their abysmal excuse for a pitch underwent emergency repairs - stones, glasshouses, throwing, etc.

And I wager the floodlight pylons at Finn Park are a damn sight safer and don't rock about under even the slightest breeze...

[Buile Shuibhne]

There was no debacle.

The pitch was unplayable.

One fixture was relocated well in advance with no disruption to the visiting team or no postponement,

Tolka was repaired.

End of.

[stann]

I find it staggering that some fans of a certain club on here are sticking the knife into Harps

Except they're not really sticking it in.
They're trying to, but Harps keep sort of twisting out of the way. Pesky critters just won't keep still! :D

[Hairy Bowsie]

I find it staggering that some fans of a certain club on here are sticking the knife into Harps - whilst conveniently forgetting the whole Tolka Park pitch debacle which led to a fixture being moved to Whitehall whilst their abysmal excuse for a pitch underwent emergency repairs - stones, glasshouses, throwing, etc.

And I wager the floodlight pylons at Finn Park are a damn sight safer and don't rock about under even the slightest breeze...

I find a lot of things staggering in this league, some of which i could go into but it would descend into a slagging match but the fact is that if you want to make up lies about a so called "debacle" then prove it. Where was the debacle? Who was put out by what happened in Tolka?

[Guitd]

1. Passed by John Duffy and Terence Moyne on behlaf of the FAI.

2. FAI officials who looked at the pitch lately.

3. Suck it up.

Heard that the groundsman from terryland park was up to ye last sat to give ye a hand out and some good advise ,it must have helped
:)