New Faces for RTE Panel?

[Reality Bites]

Dunphy and Giles have entertained and provoked talking points for years now, but after Wednesdays ill-informed, amateur bar stool musing after what amounted to one of the great away Irish performances, should RTE be looking for fresh intelligent younger faces with more savy and reasoned arguments.

I have always enjoyed RTEs no holds bar post match analysis and found it refreshing compared to the banal counter parts in SKY and the English terresterial channels, but there comes a point and I think Wednesday night performance by Dunphy was that point when thoughtful insightful intelligent analysis is overtaken by incoherent agenda driven drivel, I am not going to get into specifics but almost everything Dunphy said was wrong.. Whelan stayed silent bullied into submission I suspect and Giles acquiesence was as predictable as his matching grey suit and grey hair..
Having said all of that who should RTE replace these relics of a bygone era with..personally I don't think there is much talent out there but any suggestions as alternatives are welcome!

[Splurge]

Agree totally, Giles and Dunphy have entertained us for yrs but over the last 18 months or so i just cant listen to Dunphy, Giles incidently is still great on Newstalk when he's own his own. Nowadays i just turn off when the panel is on. Imo it can be fixed by axing Dunphy alone, Souness was decent enough and would probably like a full time gig, Ron Atkinson is class aswell. Anyone but Dunphy really.

[Duggie]

no id keep giles, just get rid of dunphy which they wont do though. ya sousness i like, maybe aldridge could do a job ? nobody really springs to mind.

[ParkLife]

I'm just putting this out there....what about a petition to get Dunphy out. I've read a lot of comments/forums across different websites and there's certainly a lot of people out there that are sick of him. OK, so it mightn't get him off that panel,but at least they might realise that Dunphy is now a liability on the show,because I for one turned over the minute he mentioned "drunk gambler". Disgraceful. Maybe an e-mail petition,whereby once you get the mail you forward it to everyone you know and also to RTE. Just an idea.

[mypost]

It's lucky for Staunton that RTE didn't cover the away games in Cyprus and San Marino last time. Instead of Dunphy's gun, we had the wisdom and barepokes of Matt Holland :D to analyse the wreckage.

And of course, Toshack, the coach who also lost in Cyprus.

[bellavistaman]

No way, dunphy makes the internatiobal football exciting, i take all dunphys comment the way their meant to be taken, in good humour. Blind gambler, absolute gold!! Maybe he motivates the team after a bad performance, cant remember who it was but one fo the players had a sneaky dig at him over what was written in the papers. Anything he said between sat night and tuesday we all agreed with- with regards to traps tactics.

[Stuttgart88]

It's a pity he comes out with tripe like that because it then discredits his totally plausible claim that Teflon Don Givens should be out of a job.

I doubt anyone takes Dunphy's word as gospel but he does get people talking. I think that panel is far better with Souness on it. Whelan is dross.

[Duggie]

No way, dunphy makes the internatiobal football exciting, i take all dunphys comment the way their meant to be taken, in good humour. Blind gambler, absolute gold!! Maybe he motivates the team after a bad performance, cant remember who it was but one fo the players had a sneaky dig at him over what was written in the papers. Anything he said between sat night and tuesday we all agreed with- with regards to traps tactics.

eh no we didnt...hes a tosser who didnt want to give trap any credit for wed night's win. hes a fool.

[OwlsFan]

I am afraid it's no different to what the Panel has been doing over the past 20 years. They haven't entertained me with their vicious and personal attacks on the last 5 Irish managers but the fact that people are still talking about them, means the show will go on.

Typical Panel discussion over the past 20 Years

O'Herlihy introduces the discussion with some over the top statement, Dunphy makes a few over the top personal attacks, Bill laughs, Giles pulls on the side of his jacket and agrees with Dunphy and says it's all about getting the ball down and passing, the gombeen in the middle (other than Souness) agrees with the other two, DUnphy then contradicts himself, Bill laughs, Giles pulls on the side of his jacket and repeats it's all about getting the ball down and passing, Dunphy agrees with Giles and makes another outrageous statement, Bill laughs, the gombeen in the middle agrees with Giles, one clip of 10 seconds (from hours of football) is shown to emphasise their point, Dunphy then makes a joke, Bill laughs, Giles pulls on the side of his jacket, says he doesn't want to repeat himself but that it's all about getting the ball down and passing, DUnphy agrees with Giles, Bill laughs, has a dig at Charlton and says it's time for a break.

The match then goes totally to what they predicted and Dunphy says it's because the opposition are the worst on the planet, Bill laughs etc etc

[endabob1]

All true Owlsfan, but it's still 100% better than anything on Sky, BBC, ITC, Setanta etc...

Sit through the bland non-entity musings of Lee Dixon & Alan Shearer for an evening and you'll be soon curled up in a corner rocking back & forth waiting for something slightly controversial to be said and longing for one of Eamons non-sensical rambles!!

[Deckydee]

Bring back Souness

[seanfhear]

In fairness RTE do actually try to analyse the games unlike Sky or BBC/ITV and can do it it in an entertaining manner.

But old father time has caught up with the panel and unfortunately like some football managers (i.e. Dagliesh at Liverpool) the whole team has been allowed to become old at the same time.

There has been no effective new blood introduced when the team was doing well and now all will probably have to be replaced including the host at the same time.

This is always a risky situation but at this stage there is little alternative

[CJTheGull]

No way, dunphy makes the internatiobal football exciting, i take all dunphys comment the way their meant to be taken, in good humour. Blind gambler, absolute gold!! Maybe he motivates the team after a bad performance, cant remember who it was but one fo the players had a sneaky dig at him over what was written in the papers. Anything he said between sat night and tuesday we all agreed with- with regards to traps tactics.

I agree too - keep him - I totally agreed with what he said on Wednesday and Christ there's enough blandness around out there already. Just because you don't agree with his opinions doesn't mean he shouldn't have a voice, it's a concept called free speech - who do you want to do it Daniel O'Donnell or Stephen Gately all meek in the corner saying we were great all the time? :D

[endabob1]

Matt Holland - The Boys will be dissapointed with that (Post 5-2 humiliation in Cyprus)
or
Eamon Dunphy - I'm ashamed for all the great men of Irish football (after just about every game that we don't win 15-0)

I know which I prefer

[Duggie]

I agree too - keep him - I totally agreed with what he said on Wednesday and Christ there's enough blandness around out there already. Just because you don't agree with his opinions doesn't mean he shouldn't have a voice, it's a concept called free speech - who do you want to do it Daniel O'Donnell or Stephen Gately all meek in the corner saying we were great all the time? :D

no well i for one am just getting a bit tired of him. couldnt bring himself to praise trap. normally he has a go at him for not making sub and trap makes 3 great changes on wed and its a gamble lunatic stuff. did u hear him on about changing hunt for doyle??? "are u serious, has he ever seen hunt play". fck off ya tosser. if your going to be like he is then call it as it is, dont change it when it suits you. italy were rubbish after the game apparently and trap was lucky. wnker.

[superfrank]

Souness is a brilliant alternative to Dunphy. The guy actually knows what he's talking about.

I'd go for having Eoin Hand on the panel too. He does a good job on MNS.

Who knows, maybe Jack Charlton could be tempted to come on but I'm sure he could also be a bit of a liability.

[Duggie]

Souness is a brilliant alternative to Dunphy. The guy actually knows what he's talking about.

I'd go for having Eoin Hand on the panel too. He does a good job on MNS.

Who knows, maybe Jack Charlton could be tempted to come on but I'm sure he could also be a bit of a liability.

ah pleaseeee, hed bore ya to death. literally you would die at half time and miss the second half with boredom. ha no way. yes to sousness though.

[drummerboy]

Dunphy has become more outlandish lately. Starting to think the guy is bi-polar. Souness is certainly decent. Kenny Cunningham is also very knowledgable, articulate and has played a hell of a lot more international football than Dunphy.

[mypost]

Typical Panel discussion over the past 20 Years

O'Herlihy introduces the discussion with some over the top statement, Dunphy makes a few over the top personal attacks, Bill laughs, Giles pulls on the side of his jacket and agrees with Dunphy and says it's all about getting the ball down and passing, the gombeen in the middle (other than Souness) agrees with the other two, DUnphy then contradicts himself, Bill laughs, Giles pulls on the side of his jacket and repeats it's all about getting the ball down and passing, Dunphy agrees with Giles and makes another outrageous statement, Bill laughs, the gombeen in the middle agrees with Giles, one clip of 10 seconds (from hours of football) is shown to emphasise their point, Dunphy then makes a joke, Bill laughs, Giles pulls on the side of his jacket, says he doesn't want to repeat himself but that it's all about getting the ball down and passing, DUnphy agrees with Giles, Bill laughs, has a dig at Charlton and says it's time for a break.

The match then goes totally to what they predicted and Dunphy says it's because the opposition are the worst on the planet, Bill laughs etc etc

Hilarious but true. :D

[Scram]

Dunphy and Giles have entertained and provoked talking points for years now, but after Wednesdays ill-informed, amateur bar stool musing after what amounted to one of the great away Irish performances, should RTE be looking for fresh intelligent younger faces with more savy and reasoned arguments.

I have always enjoyed RTEs no holds bar post match analysis and found it refreshing compared to the banal counter parts in SKY and the English terresterial channels, but there comes a point and I think Wednesday night performance by Dunphy was that point when thoughtful insightful intelligent analysis is overtaken by incoherent agenda driven drivel, I am not going to get into specifics but almost everything Dunphy said was wrong.. Whelan stayed silent bullied into submission I suspect and Giles acquiesence was as predictable as his matching grey suit and grey hair..
Having said all of that who should RTE replace these relics of a bygone era with..personally I don't think there is much talent out there but any suggestions as alternatives are welcome!

Absolutely not, Dunphy is spot on and great value. Typical Irish attitude, anyone speaking the truth should be silenced, that's why this country is in such a state. Keep you heads in the sand and long live the recession.

They say that Deja Vu doesn't strike twice (they don't really say that!) but I am reminded of the brief period of optimism after the 1-0 wins over Wales and Slovakia with Stan in charge when suddenly everything was "GRAND". We all know how that turned out!

The fortunate 1-1 draw v Italy though welcomed, is not any indication of any progress. It was a very random performance, bizarre in many aspects and if anyone thinks that it points to anything that we can rely on going forward, they are sadly disillusioned.

[Stuttgart88]

Does anybody else think the PRE match discusion was good, especially the analysis of the CM performance against Bulgaria?

[Drumcondra 69er]

eh no we didnt...hes a tosser who didnt want to give trap any credit for wed night's win. hes a fool.

Did I miss something at the match?? :D;)

[carloz]

Think we have to realise how little the panel know about the game. Outside of watching seeing the Premiership every Sat night, Giles knows nothing about the game. He thinks that the only way to win in pressure and tanasity, his favourtie words.
Dunphy just talks ****** now and believes his own hype. He mentioned something about seeing Kishichev play for Charlton recently. He left them in 2007. He said Trappatoni had never Reid play, a lie. And he seems to think that Lee Carsley is having the season of his life in Championship. The final straw for me came when he said that the Folan substitution was a terrible move. Hell he practically got us the point.
Whealan cant make up his own mind and just agrees
It was like they were sulking after the Italian game, and that we got the point in spite of Traps substitutions, not because of them

[Ciprian Marica]

Dunphy's "analysis" was disgraceful on Wednesday night after the match. This article sums up my thoughts on it:

[/URL][URL]http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/traps-the-new-charlton-for-ohso-grumpy-dunphy-1696738.html (http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/traps-the-new-charlton-for-ohso-grumpy-dunphy-1696738.html)

He accused Caleb Folan of not being up to it at one point and then when the emails were read out agreed with the viewer that said his aerial presence led to the goal.
He criticized the Doyle substitution even though he was having a serious off day. Who does he expect to come off the bench, Torres, Messi or Ronaldinho?
An absolute c***.

[Kingdom]

Dunphy has become more outlandish lately. Starting to think the guy is bi-polar. Souness is certainly decent. Kenny Cunningham is also very knowledgable, articulate and has played a hell of a lot more international football than Dunphy.

Ever since he had the audience eating out of his lámh on the Late Late debating prior to the last general election. It was his "are you serious?" in half yank accent that topped off the performance for me the other night.

Ironic that Souness is the best pundit on RTE right now. The man is liberated when he comes on Irish tv. The night he took Dunphy down a peg on Champions Lge night was beautiful.
I'd like to see Darragh Moloney or Peter Collins present, with Gilesy, Souness, and Cunningham doing analysis, perfect trio for giving the opinion of the different generations.

[ParkLife]

Ironic that Souness is the best pundit on RTE right now. The man is liberated when he comes on Irish tv. The night he took Dunphy down a peg on Champions Lge night was beautiful.
I'd like to see Darragh Moloney or Peter Collins present, with Gilesy, Souness, and Cunningham doing analysis, perfect trio for giving the opinion of the different generations.

Totally agree..then we might have some educated, expert opinions to listen to.
What I love about Souness is when Dunphy spouts some sort of Sh*te, the look on Souness's face...as if to say "is this guy for real?"..lt's like he can't believe the words coming out of Dunphy's mouth!!

[Duggie]

Ever since he had the audience eating out of his lámh on the Late Late debating prior to the last general election. It was his "are you serious?" in half yank accent that topped off the performance for me the other night.

Ironic that Souness is the best pundit on RTE right now. The man is liberated when he comes on Irish tv. The night he took Dunphy down a peg on Champions Lge night was beautiful.
I'd like to see Darragh Moloney or Peter Collins present, with Gilesy, Souness, and Cunningham doing analysis, perfect trio for giving the opinion of the different generations.

for the love of God no...never please please

[Scram]

Does anybody else think the PRE match discusion was good, especially the analysis of the CM performance against Bulgaria?

YES

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Originally Posted by Reality Bites
Dunphy and Giles have entertained and provoked talking points for years now, but after Wednesdays ill-informed, amateur bar stool musing after what amounted to one of the great away Irish performances, should RTE be looking for fresh intelligent younger faces with more savy and reasoned arguments.

I have always enjoyed RTEs no holds bar post match analysis and found it refreshing compared to the banal counter parts in SKY and the English terresterial channels, but there comes a point and I think Wednesday night performance by Dunphy was that point when thoughtful insightful intelligent analysis is overtaken by incoherent agenda driven drivel, I am not going to get into specifics but almost everything Dunphy said was wrong.. Whelan stayed silent bullied into submission I suspect and Giles acquiesence was as predictable as his matching grey suit and grey hair..
Having said all of that who should RTE replace these relics of a bygone era with..personally I don't think there is much talent out there but any suggestions as alternatives are welcome!

qoute: SCRAM

Absolutely not, Dunphy is spot on and great value. Typical Irish attitude, anyone speaking the truth should be silenced, that's why this country is in such a state. Keep you heads in the sand and long live the recession.

They say that Deja Vu doesn't strike twice (they don't really say that!) but I am reminded of the brief period of optimism after the 1-0 wins over Wales and Slovakia with Stan in charge when suddenly everything was "GRAND". We all know how that turned out!

The fortunate 1-1 draw v Italy though welcomed, is not any indication of any progress. It was a very random performance, bizarre in many aspects and if anyone thinks that it points to anything that we can rely on going forward, they are sadly disillusioned.

[Umberside]

I never knew Souness left. Why is he gone?:confused:

[Calcio Jack]

I'd keep Giles and Dunphy and add Roy Keane ... we'd win the pundits world cup with that panel !!

[Brendan 82]

Dunphy's "analysis" was disgraceful on Wednesday night after the match. This article sums up my thoughts on it:

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/traps-the-new-charlton-for-ohso-grumpy-dunphy-1696738.html

He accused Caleb Folan of not being up to it at one point and then when the emails were read out agreed with the viewer that said his aerial presence led to the goal.
He criticized the Doyle substitution even though he was having a serious off day. Who does he expect to come off the bench, Torres, Messi or Ronaldinho?
An absolute c***.

Good article. This line says it all for me:

"Really, it was like eavesdropping on a clutch of bitter old codgers on bar stools at closing time. "

Could not agree more

[mypost]

Absolutely not, Dunphy is spot on and great value. Typical Irish attitude, anyone speaking the truth should be silenced, that's why this country is in such a state. Keep you heads in the sand and long live the recession.

It was a very random performance, bizarre in many aspects and if anyone thinks that it points to anything that we can rely on going forward, they are sadly disillusioned.

Did Dunphy hack into your profile??

There was no truth in what was said last Wednesday. It was a snivelling, whinging, incoherent scattergun set of rants from a person unqualified to analyse the modern game, and incapable of accepting that we have made great progress with the current coach.

The international team was the butt of jokes 18 months ago, it isn't anymore. ED hasn't realised that yet.

[SkStu]

i think the best panel would be

Giles - grumpy and poker faced
Hand - nervous energy and enthusiasm
Souness - stone cold, impartial, realism

[backstothewall]

I'd keep Giles and Dunphy and add Roy Keane ... we'd win the pundits world cup with that panel !!

I agree on Keane.

Without Brady saying "Its hard for me becasuse he's a friend of mine but i think he should go" we would have ben looking at Staunton still having the job. But without Dunphy I don't think he would have said it.

There is a balance to the panel at present in terms of the 2 quieter considered one, and the incoherant loudmouth. When Souness is there in place of Whelan its even better imho.

But i think Roy Keane in place of Dunphy would serve to make the loudmouth opinionated one a bit more coherant, though i don't think he would take his job given that Dunphy did his book. So I would replace Giles with Keane, have them both on the panel for a while and then replace Dunphy with someone more considered. Maybe the likes of Cunningham, Gary Kelly, or, if he would do it, the best man for the job...

OOh AAH PAUL MCGRATH, OOh AAH PAUL MCGRATH.

Would also like to see injured players and the like to give an insight into the squad. Steve Finnan or Damian Duff for the last games for example

[Jicked]

That's ridiculous, the 1-0 wins over Wales and Slovakia were preceeded by two of the worst Irish performances of all time, Cyprus and Netherlands at home. No-one, at all, thought everything was grand, anyone with half a footballing brain could see everything about Staunton's set up was a horror show. If you thought things were grand after those wins then it probably shows just how out of touch you are to be negative about our position and performances in this group thus far.

[Stuttgart88]

Slovakia at home was a decent enough performance. Wales at home was daibolical. We were outplayed for large parts of the game by a Championship midfield and Dunne was bailed out by Given on one notable occasion.

[weldoninhio]

I agree too - keep him - I totally agreed with what he said on Wednesday and Christ there's enough blandness around out there already. Just because you don't agree with his opinions doesn't mean he shouldn't have a voice, it's a concept called free speech - who do you want to do it Daniel O'Donnell or Stephen Gately all meek in the corner saying we were great all the time? :D

Some people on here think that you only have the right to free speech on this forum if you agree with everything they say CJ. They think that the higher their post count, the more right they have to be here over someone with fewer posts.

I agreed with Dunphy in everything he said too. Whats going on with Clap Trap is a modern day version of The Emporers New Clothes.

[sligofan4ever]

One thing I find funny about Dunphy is that he wanted Trappatoni to be appointed Ireland manager, since his first match in charge have we heard one good word about him from Dunphy ? On Wednesday Trapatoni may have proved alot of doubters wrong (only one game where we played at our I know) but you would think he would have complemented the performance by the team and tactics by the manager.

[NeilMcD]

Some people on here think that you only have the right to free speech on this forum if you agree with everything they say CJ. They think that the higher their post count, the more right they have to be here over someone with fewer posts.

I agreed with Dunphy in everything he said too. Whats going on with Clap Trap is a modern day version of The Emporers New Clothes.

He contradicts himself so many times over the course of the coverage it is embarassing. He said that Trap has never seen Noel Hunt play which is untrue and he said it was fact. He has done this a few times in relation to this issue. His dismissive attitude to Traps subs the other night was low level tv and would fit in more in the playground to be honest.

Oh just out of interest, who on here quoted their post count as a back up to an argument.

[weldoninhio]

He contradicts himself so many times over the course of the coverage it is embarassing. He said that Trap has never seen Noel Hunt play which is untrue and he said it was fact. He has done this a few times in relation to this issue. His dismissive attitude to Traps subs the other night was low level tv and would fit in more in the playground to be honest.

Oh just out of interest, who on here quoted their post count as a back up to an argument.

I never said that anyone used it as back up to their arguement, i said that they think they have more right to be here. Just yesterday there was a thread set up be Stuttgart88 ripping into me and telling me i should leave the forum because i don't agree that Trappatoni is great and Robbie Keane is a hero.

Clap Trap has been to no Reading matches from what i can gather, and Hunt had only played 40 minutes for Ireland before Wednesday. How can putting him on not be a gamble???

[NeilMcD]

Trap has been to Reading games and he has seen Hunt playing.

[weldoninhio]

Trap has been to Reading games and he has seen Hunt playing.

What Reading games has he been to??

[NeilMcD]

Not sure of the opposition but I saw him in the crowd when I was watching Goals on Sunday one morning.

[weldoninhio]

Not sure of the opposition but I saw him in the crowd when I was watching Goals on Sunday one morning.

Thats a very convincing arguement. But i stand by my assertion that he has never been to watch Reading play. As far as i know the only Championship match he has gone to watch was PNE vs Burnley on 17th January.

[4tothefloor]

Typical Panel discussion over the past 20 Years

O'Herlihy introduces the discussion with some over the top statement, Dunphy makes a few over the top personal attacks, Bill laughs, Giles pulls on the side of his jacket and agrees with Dunphy and says it's all about getting the ball down and passing, the gombeen in the middle (other than Souness) agrees with the other two, DUnphy then contradicts himself, Bill laughs, Giles pulls on the side of his jacket and repeats it's all about getting the ball down and passing, Dunphy agrees with Giles and makes another outrageous statement, Bill laughs, the gombeen in the middle agrees with Giles, one clip of 10 seconds (from hours of football) is shown to emphasise their point, Dunphy then makes a joke, Bill laughs, Giles pulls on the side of his jacket, says he doesn't want to repeat himself but that it's all about getting the ball down and passing, DUnphy agrees with Giles, Bill laughs, has a dig at Charlton and says it's time for a break.

The match then goes totally to what they predicted and Dunphy says it's because the opposition are the worst on the planet, Bill laughs etc etc
"Giles pulls on his jacket" :p:p

[NeilMcD]

Thats a very convincing arguement. But i stand by my assertion that he has never been to watch Reading play. As far as i know the only Championship match he has gone to watch was PNE vs Burnley on 17th January.

http://www.readingfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10306~1550441,00.html.

Do you still stand by that and is this a convincing argument.

[weldoninhio]

Trap has been to Reading games and he has seen Hunt playing.

Ok i can admit when i'm wrong, he saw Noel Hunt come on as a sub for 29 mins in the Reading 0 - 0 Preston match and threw him on for 40 minutes against Poland. Thats almost a full match worth of football he has seen him play.


It was never a gamble.

[NeilMcD]

Who said it was not a gamble. I think it was a gamble but a calculated one based on the fact that Doyle was out on his feet and that Cannavaro had him in his pocket. Also Dunphy criticised Trap for being negative and defensive and then has a go at him for taking a gamble.

[gaiscíoch]

Ok i can admit when i'm wrong, he saw Noel Hunt come on as a sub for 29 mins in the Reading 0 - 0 Preston match and threw him on for 40 minutes against Poland. Thats almost a full match worth of football he has seen him play.


It was never a gamble.


There was me thinking Trap actually took the training with the Irish team?
My God this Trappatoni fella is fraud. Why did we ever put him in charge?
He is a bad joke?

Oh thats right he has us second in the group and still very much on course to quailfy for the world cup and also talking very confidently about what he is doing.:mad:

[weldoninhio]

Neil McD? So at home to a pretty average Bulgarian team its ok to stick with dull defensive team we have had since the start of the campaign but away to Italy is the right time to take a massive gamble??

Axeman - Training is a completely different situation to a match.