Predictions for next season

[Breifne]

The club have negotiated a deal with Shels, and will play all their home games in Tolka Park next season. After that is anyones guess. But for the duration of this season, that is definite.

[dortie]

Originally posted by Breifne
The club have negotiated a deal with Shels, and will play all their home games in Tolka Park next season. After that is anyones guess. But for the duration of this season, that is definite.


So where are Rovers playing....? Tolka too ? 3 teams in one ground ?

[thecorner]

Originally posted by dortie
So where are Rovers playing....? Tolka too ? 3 teams in one ground ?

who are rovers

are they still in existence:D :D

[Breifne]

Don't know what the situation is with Rovers, anything is possible. the agreement with Shels was only for the last few games of the season (i could have misunderstood), but i'm sure that they will have something sorted.

don't forget Belgrove also play in Tolka Park, so its pretty busy there at the moment.

Rovers have a number of choices

Tolka Park
Richmond Park (hardly going to happen)
Dalymount
Belfield (also highly unlikely)
Bray

can't really see any other viable option.

[TheRealRovers]

Originally posted by dortie
So where are Rovers playing....? Tolka too ? 3 teams in one ground ?
The Showgrounds. There's only one fu*king Rovers

[Slash/ED]

1. Shels
2. Cork
3. Bohs
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4. Longford
5. St Pats
6. Drogheda
7. Derry
8. Rovers
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9. Dublin
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10. Waterford

The top three should be pretty close though and could goto any of them. I think Waterford could really plumit with all the controversy there at the moment.

[TommyT]

Originally posted by Breifne

Tolka Park
Richmond Park (hardly going to happen)
Dalymount
Belfield (also highly unlikely)
Bray



Bray UDC have already turned us down. Belfield can't cos of the rules, Richmond won't. Anyone who knows anything about football in Dublin should cop that they're all more likely options than Dalyer.

CHF are playing on Thursdays in Tolka we'll be Friday's

[Macy]

Originally posted by Breifne
the majority of the defence expected to re-sign with the Vikings, Robbie Horgan, Wes Byrne & Thomas McGauley should all be around next term,
With all due respect to Weso, he wasn't premier standard when he came up with us, don't see him being up to it now.....

[joeSoap]

Cork City (Fenn great signing, plus one or two more on the way in key positions)
Bohemians (Not as excited and distracted by Europe as they were last season.)
Shels (false championship last season imo)
St Pats
Longford
Shamrock Rovers
Waterford
Derry
Drogheda
Dublin City
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UCD
Finn Harps
Bray
Galway
Kildare
Sligo
Limerick (unless by some miracle, we are able to keep our players, and a mystery benefactor arrives)
Dundalk
Athlone
Cobh
m-Monaghan
Kilkenny
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All subject to change before kick-off subject to transfers, injuries, serious diseases, alcohol poisoning in the off season etc......

[Breifne]

Originally posted by Macy
With all due respect to Weso, he wasn't premier standard when he came up with us, don't see him being up to it now.....

Wes had a few hairy moments this term, one in particular away to Dundalk, where he just seemed to lose it. every touch every pass went astray, but for the most part, hes a couple of years older, little bit wiser, and I think this came at the right time for most of the Viking lads.

McGauley, Crowley have been round for a while, and deserve the opportunity, i don't think its fair to slam someones chances yet. Give him a couple of games at the very least. I think our defence was rock solid last season, (expect in the 3-0 drubbing by Finn Harps), 24 goals conceded is pretty impressive. both waterford, Drogheda and Derry survived conceding more than twice that.

We have addressed the strikers issue, signing Philip Hughes, with another one or two to come in before the start of the season, (haven't heard anything official), but i think we will have enough to survive. Remember eight place is the target. everyone involved with the club would be delighted with that next season.

This season we did overshoot our expectations, but thats a good thing, and the club are now where they hoped to be after three years. News Kids on the Premier Division Block. With the experience of Robbie Horgan, Toccy (if he stays) coupled with a couple of new signings, mixed with the best of last years crop, it should be a good season for the Vikings.

We're not going to set the worl alight, but the top of the bottom half would be nice, somewhere around sixth or seventh. somewhere that leaves us in a realistic position to aim for european football over the following two seasons.

(before people get on here and start laughing at this, please note that i said aim to survive and then build towards european football over the following three seasons.) I'm not talking about us winning the league next season. Just looking back to Rocky's original plans three years ago, pretty impressive, but after two messed up years, the plan is back on course. Heres Hoping

For what its worth here is my guess for the final placings

1. Bohemians
2. Shels
3. Cork (although only a few points behind)
4. Pats
5. Longford Town
6. Shamrock Rovers
7. Dublin City
8. Drogheda United
9. Derry City
10. Waterford

[wws]

the rovers board will have to ask bohs to share dalymount again, its just a matter of when

[pineapple stu]

Originally posted by Macy
Do the other colleges pay the players' scholarship, or do the clubs pay the scholarship? That's the difference.

You mean you don't know yourself? So your rant is completely unfounded by your own admission?:rolleyes:

[Macy]

Rhetorical Question - the other clubs fund theirs, the tax payer funds yours...

[WeAreRovers]

Originally posted by wws
the rovers board will have to ask bohs to share dalymount again, its just a matter of when

Off all the nonsenical rubbish you've posted in your time that takes the biscuit.

As for predictions

1) Shels
2) Bohs
3) Cork
4) Pats
5) Longford
6) 7) 8) Waterford/Drogheda/Rovers (mid table ****e in no particular order)
9) Derry
10 Dublin City

1st Division

1) Harps (Don't know or care after that)

KOH

[wws]

yeah like they have a myriad of viable options
and why on earth wouldn't day?
give me one good reason of why now was any different to last time?

[TommyT]

Originally posted by wws
give me one good reason of why now was any different to last time?

Last time Bohs were in a far worse financial mess.

In the 80s while it was the match to win there was far less violence. Rovers away to Dundalk, Limerick or Waterford were far worse.

Pats and Shels were a joke (similar to Bray now) both clubs needed each other far more than now. Though that season was to see pats renaissence.

McNamara and the Rovers board behaved in an ungrateful and embarrassing manner once Bohs sold the ground to the FAI, though most of the Bohs committeemen of that time will have moved on by January.

There's four.

[WeAreRovers]

Thanks Tommy, saved me having to explain it in simple language for him. ;)

KOH

[wws]

havent given me one good reason why the current rovers board would not use dalymount

im waiting

i'll put in simpler language:

bray : ruled out

richmond: ruled out

tolka: something IS going to give and that is rovers tenuous tenancy there

santry: cant see it happening, and theyre having their own problems at present due to the end of a fas scheme

UCD: ruled out

dalymount: ???

[WeAreRovers]

Originally posted by wws
havent given me one good reason why the current rovers board would not use dalymount


Eh, it's not up to the Rovers board. The current Rovers board would "use" anywhere but they're not in a position to tell any other club that Rovers will be using their facilities - especially not our arch rivals.

KOH

[wws]

I cant see bohs having a problem with it to be honest
and the rivals bit is only a minor detail, especially if you've nowhere in dublin to play

anyway its the only logical alternative left, thats all I'm saying, simple deduction

[derm]

Cork City to win some silverware and a real shot at title, tho' probably too early.

Waterford could collapse due to board (mis)management - Reynolds to leave next season (easy prediction or what?:rolleyes:)

Derry will have problems but should stay up

Rovers to struggle, fighting relegation unless they get some financial help

Shels could end up midtable, again unless they get financial help

Bohs should weather financial difficulties better and be serious title contenders

St. Pats / Longford for Europe

Harps for playoff heartache again :confused:

[TommyT]

Originally posted by wws
I cant see bohs having a problem with it to be honest
and the rivals bit is only a minor detail, especially if you've nowhere in dublin to play

anyway its the only logical alternative left, thats all I'm saying, simple deduction

I'd put Santry and Drogheda ahead of Dalymount

[WeAreRovers]

Originally posted by wws
I
the rivals bit is only a minor detail


Easy knowing you don't follow Rovers or Bohs. Our rivalry is very strong and runs very deep. And things have changed a lot since the last time. Give us a shout when Pats have a rivalry the same as Rovers/Bohs. You'll probably begin to understand then.

If you think Chippie or Gartlan hate Rovers you should talk to some of the old codgers up at Dalymount. Now that's real hatred.

KOH

[pineapple stu]

Originally posted by Macy
Rhetorical Question - the other clubs fund theirs, the tax payer funds yours...

Can very easily be argued that we pay for ours by way of the free advertising we give the College - having so many sports teams at a high level in their various leagues is a huge draw for the College when students are applying.

Your point that we don't raise our own money implied that we're completely dependent on the College for funding, which isn't true.

If you're so worried about the Government funding clubs, I presume you're going to be giving your half million grant back? That's easily more than the value of the Scholarship scheme over our league existence, and for nothing in return either.

Anyway, this is going completely off topic...

[TheRealRovers]

Originally posted by WeAreRovers
Our rivalry is very strong and runs very deep.
What are you talking about WeAreShams? The rivalry with Bohs and Shams is very mild compared to many European rivalries. Its just fans from both clubs trying to over hype the situation or thugs from both clubs looking for nothing more then a fight . I don’t think there is any real hatred between both set of fans like Celtic & Rangers or Ajax & Feyenoord where fans have been killed.
Btw why do Shams hate Bohs so much anyway forgetting a few small incidents over the last few years?

[Carlin]

Originally posted by TheRealRovers
What are you talking about WeAreShams? The rivalry with Bohs and Shams is very mild compared to many European rivalries.

I think you under estimate the level of hatred between Bohs and the scum. Just because there isn't 60,000+ attendances at the matches like in other big European rivalries, doesn't mean the rivalry is any less fierce.


Originally posted by TheRealRovers
I don’t think there is any real hatred between both set of fans like Celtic & Rangers or Ajax & Feyenoord where fans have been killed.


Fans don't need to be killed for hatred to exist. There is definitely deep hatred between us & the Hoops filth. Without meaning to be patronising, I think you have to be a Bohs or Rovers fan to understand it. I hate everything to do with them and I'm sure it works both ways.

[A face]

Oh Great .... there hasn't been a "lets glorify fighting amoung fans way out of proportion" thread here in a while ..... :rolleyes:

[Dr.Nightdub]

As regards where are Rovers gonna play, it wouldn't surprise me to see the FAI lean on Bohs to take in Continuity Home Farm and then Rovers stay in Tolka. Whether Rovers could afford the rent is another matter.

I wouldn't rule out Richmond entirely. I reckon Andy O'C would consider it, but every game would be policed like Red Star v Dynamo Zagreb.

Speaking of eastern Europe, I think a return to Santry's the most likely outcome. It's probably not up to UEFA-licence scratch, but I'm becoming more and more convinced the licence rules aren't gonna be applied next season, not if they're talking about dishing out €2.5m to bring the four Euro qualifiers up to scratch midway through the season.

[TommyT]

Originally posted by Dr.Nightdub
It's probably not up to UEFA-licence scratch, but I'm becoming more and more convinced the licence rules aren't gonna be applied next season, not if they're talking about dishing out €2.5m to bring the four Euro qualifiers up to scratch midway through the season.

Doc there are two sets of uefa rules. one the licencing rules for our top division (1500 seats etc) and another for uefa competitions. For example Djurgardens had to play Rovers at the rasunda and if Pats had been playing Hibernians of Malta they'd have had to do so at Tolka or Dalyer.

That said only 6 teams in the whole league have 1500 or more covered seats so their not going to apply those rules either.

[Dodge]

Anyone find it funny when Rovers fans hate Bohs so much they can’t even admit how much they hate them. We’ve had Rovers fans on here before saying that at various previous times Drumcondra, Shels, Waterford and Limerick have been Shamrock’s greatest rivals.

So WaR (or TommyT) what is it? Has it always been Bohs (and therefore you can’t move in with them) or do you rivals periodically change and there’s nothing really to stop you miving back there?

BTW I think club officials should rise above us petty fans and I’d have no proplem if our board worked closely with Shels, Bohs or Rovers if it meant my club would go forward.

[wws]

Originally posted by WeAreRovers
Easy knowing you don't follow Rovers or Bohs. Our rivalry is very strong and runs very deep. And things have changed a lot since the last time. Give us a shout when Pats have a rivalry the same as Rovers/Bohs. You'll probably begin to understand then.

If you think Chippie or Gartlan hate Rovers you should talk to some of the old codgers up at Dalymount. Now that's real hatred.

KOH

went to many rovers matches at dalymount as it happens, and yes I see it happening again, I'll give u a shout at the next rovers home match there

[TommyT]

Originally posted by Dodge
at various previous times Drumcondra, Shels, Waterford and Limerick have been Shamrock’s greatest rivals.

So WaR (or TommyT) what is it? Has it always been Bohs (and therefore you can’t move in with them) or do you rivals periodically change and there’s nothing really to stop you miving back there?


No one's ever denied that the Bohs rivalry only took off in the 70s. When Shels went to **** and Drums left the league. There was also a deep seated rivalry with Waterford from the days when Rovers used to win the Cup and they'd win the league. I think Limerick was more of a hooligan rivalry than a football one, sort of a Millwall-Cardiff in pre-contraception Ireland.

[Dodge]

Originally posted by TommyT
No one's ever denied that the Bohs rivalry only took off in the 70s. When Shels went to **** and Drums left the league. There was also a deep seated rivalry with Waterford from the days when Rovers used to win the Cup and they'd win the league. I think Limerick was more of a hooligan rivalry than a football one, sort of a Millwall-Cardiff in pre-contraception Ireland.
Exactly. So if the rivalry is that new, it can easily be "toned down" for the purposes of them leasing their ground to you. Again.

Don't think it'd happen just saying that those who are calling it a ridiculous idea should maybe think a little about it

[TommyT]

Originally posted by Dodge
Exactly. So if the rivalry is that new, it can easily be "toned down" for the purposes of them leasing their ground to you. Again.


The reason's why not were listed by me above. Sorry to sound like a ***** but it's obvious you don't understand.

[Bald Student]

Originally posted by Macy
Rhetorical Question - the other clubs fund theirs, the tax payer funds yours...

The taxpayer does not fund any of the sports in UCD. They are funded by the registration fee payed by the students at the start of term and to a lesser extent by the income from the bar in the sports centre in UCD.

[candystripedkid]

In my honest opinion:

1)Bohemians
2)3)4) Shels,Super City and Cork City (no particular order)
5) St. Pat's
6)Longford (too much is being expected of them presently)
7)Shamrock Rovers
8)Drogheda United
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
9)Waterford utd
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10) Dublin City

Division 1

1)Bray Wanderers
2)Finn Harps
3)UCD
4) Kildare County

Waterford to win the final beating Finn Harps in the final after extra time.:D :D :D

[dancinpants]

1)Bohs 2)Shels
3)Cork 4)ST Pats
5)Derry 6)Longford 7)Shams 8)Drogheda 9)Waterford 10)Dubs

[dancinpants]

And UCD to beat Waterford in the play-offs AET

[Neil]

I'd just like to say....

WATCH LONGFORD.

[Dodge]

Originally posted by TommyT
The reason's why not were listed by me above. Sorry to sound like a ***** but it's obvious you don't understand.
Relax I was just winding you up :rolleyes:

[bohs til i die]

Originally posted by wws
I cant see bohs having a problem with it to be honest
and the rivals bit is only a minor detail, especially if you've nowhere in dublin to play

anyway its the only logical alternative left, thats all I'm saying, simple deduction


Bohs, and Bohs fans [especially the members] will have a major problem with Rovers using Dalymount. I dont want th
at shower using our ground

Why should we take them in ??

[Dodge]

Originally posted by bohs til i die
Why should we take them in ??
Christmas spirit.


And the fact you've done it before...

[bohs til i die]

Originally posted by Dodge
Christmas spirit.


And the fact you've done it before...

we took them in once before, and we should never take them in again.

I dont think the league will suffer if rovers vanish. Bohs letting rovers play in dalymount is helping them and I dont want to see Bohs help them.

[liamon]

Originally posted by bohs til i die

I dont think the league will suffer if rovers vanish. .

I dunno. I think the Scum still attracts the biggest crowd of any visiting team at Turners X. They don't bring many fans, but we turn out to shout at them.

And I don't think it's a good idea for any of our premier division teams to fall apart. The league is struggling enough as it is.

[derm]

What may happen is that Rovers will merge with a "smaller" Dublin club - maybe Dublin City / U.C.D. This would be good in that a stronger team would emerge and one less Dublin team would be in de league.

[A face]

Originally posted by derm
What may happen is that Rovers will merge with a "smaller" Dublin club - maybe Dublin City / U.C.D. This would be good in that a stronger team would emerge and one less Dublin team would be in de league.

If need be .... but i agree, we cant lose any teams.

And lads .... if they move to Tallaght at all, they will take off i'd say.

[Ringo]

Dublin City won't be getting taken over by anyone. You’ll see some of the older clubs going first. If you look at Cork City, they have the name & county colours & it works well. None of the other Dublin Clubs have a Dublin identity. There fan bases are dropping & in some cases their run by committees who can’t make a decision to save there lives.

[Macy]

Originally posted by Ringo
Dublin City won't be getting taken over by anyone. You’ll see some of the older clubs going first. If you look at Cork City, they have the name & county colours & it works well. None of the other Dublin Clubs have a Dublin identity. There fan bases are dropping & in some cases their run by committees who can’t make a decision to save there lives.
Pats, Shels, Rovers and Bohs do have a dublin indentity, and above all a very important factor that Dublin City are missing - a history....

[Ringo]

Why do some of you guys get so hung up on history. Who cares. Stop living in the past. to people outside soccer or new to irish soccer this means nothing & they don't have a Dublin identity, only because you know their from Dublin, doesn't give them an identity. The problem with soccer in Dublin , is that its too fragmented. the history of clubs prevents new fans joining this old click. So you have the Southside fans of Shels travelling over to Tolka on the northside, Northsiders not following them & Shamrock rovers are in a similar position.

[Dr.Nightdub]

Riiiiiiight....so someone who follows Home Farm Everton / Fingal / Dublin City / Continuity Home Farm would know all about identity?