One trick / on your bike Trap moanfest

[irishfan86]

Just watched the game there.

While Bulgaria enjoyed the better possession, we were better defensively and generated the better scoring opportunities.

We were better than them in the first and last third of the pitch, but they clearly won in the centre.

Ultimately, our midfield was impotent, and our attacking players missed a number of promising opportunities.

That said, with the way our defense is playing, I wouldn't rule out getting something off Italy.

[honeymonster]

I think its business as usual for many Irish fans(?) and pundits who love to jump on a managers back a soon as there is one slight slip.

When we strip it down to the bare bones, we are half way through the group with 11 points from 5 games, if we nick a point on Wednesday SA2010 is back on track. Think the Bulgarians failure to win a game yet indicates that they are likely to drop points against the likes of Montenegro, Georgia and possibly Cyrpus on Wednesday?

If you offered me 11 points from 5 games under Stan I would have bitten your limb off! Lets not stop believing just yet!

Wednesday night, 1-1, Kevin doyle! COYBIG!!

[SilkCut]

[quote=greendeiseboy;1132268]
If you can't see an improvement over Staunton then give up watching football.

Spot on. I sometimes wonder what the hell is wrong with us as a nation, who do we think we are? Brazil? Wake up and see us for what we are, a team of journeymen with the odd top class player who are beginning to punch above their weight again. We are second in our group behind the world champions. Not even David Blaine could turn us into world beaters overnight.

[papa-j]

Does anybody actually remember San Marino away 1-2, cyprus away 5-2. The late equaliser in slovakia/slovenia who cares which one!! It was not that long ago. Wake up - its not pretty but we have a chance. Dont kid yourselves we are not a quality side. We are functional with functional players and we are doing better than we should expect. This is a league, we are nearly half way through and we are second. Cop on you gloryhunting, rose tinted glasswearing, sky sport loving, dunphy quoting...................

[tetsujin1979]

This whole thread (and any movement to get Trapattoni out of the manager's job) is pretty insulting. He's a massive improvement on a joke, and an uninspiring choice. Neither of the previous 2 managers would have gotten a better result against Bulgaria (Kerr never beat anyone higher than Albania. Staunton - please).
We're second. We're seven points clear of third. We're organised. We haven't lost.

Bolton play the most dire, inspid, insulting football known to creation. They qualified for Europe with Kevin Davies as their main striker.

Get over it.

[danonion]

Trappattoni might get us to the World Cup, but there is a very good chance that he will not.

I feel that Trapattoni has picked a system that really doesn't suit out players. The role of the two defensive midfielders under Trappatonni is a tactical error. No matter how unglamourous that role is, it is NOT one that can be carried out players of limited ability. That is the role of a confident, aggresive midfielder. A flatter midfield 4 suits our players better in several ways.

A flat midfield 4 is supported by industrious defensifly sound wide-men.

Compare:

Kilbane_Holland_Kinsella_G. Kelly

vs.

Hunt_______________McGeady
______Whelan__Andrews

I don't feel that Whelan and Andrews can support these two guys on the wing, when they have to provide the creativity.

Holland and Kinsella were certainly better players that what we have now, but McCarthy understood their limitations. That is why he selected KK and Gary Kelly on the wong. Kevin Kilbane had pace, an enormous work-rate and the attributes of a fb. Gary Kelly was a pacy fullback who knew how to stick the ball in the box. Both of them were capable of helping out the central midfielders when needed.

I also don't feel that the players he selected for the defensive mf role are even the best available. Andrews is an attacking midfielder in a lot of ways. He could be useful going forward - especially if widemen could cover defensivly. Whelan is just not a very sound player imo. Lee Carsley is better destroying stuff in the center. I reject statements like "he was part of an irish midfield that could not control games and now his legs are gone" because whether or not it can happen in football manager or fifa or whereever this notion that he can't cope because he's 35 has stemmed from, I believe that Lee improved as a player into his 30s. His last season with Everton was one of his best. His form with Birmingham is excellent. He merits a place in the squad.

Clinton Morrison would love to play and would be a good option off the bench.

To crystalize my point, Trap may get us there but if he doesn't he will have to shoulder heavy blame because he is ignoring options available to us.

No matter what does or does not happen under the hot South African sun in the summer of 2010, we can be reasonably assured Trap won't be our manager after the tournament. Surely McCarthy is in with a shout?

[irishfan86]

No matter what does or does not happen under the hot South African sun in the summer of 2010, we can be reasonably assured Trap won't be our manager after the tournament. Surely McCarthy is in with a shout?

If we qualify for the World Cup, I'd say Trap will be offered a new contract.

If he doesn't take it, I'd say Brady would be offered the job.

Would Mick even take the job if he was offered it?

[mypost]

When Italy defend resolutely, with all the genuises at their disposal, it's called art.

When we do it, it's because we're crap. :rolleyes:

The bigger picture is in the table. In the last campaign, we had 10 points after 6 games with 8 goals conceded. This time, we have 11 points from 5 games with 3 goals conceded and are unbeaten.

If people can't see the progress in that, then they can't be helped. :(

[Deckydee]

Cestlavie, you are absolutely correct it is healthy to have a debate. However when you start a thread titled "On your bike Trap and Co." immediately after just one bad result (even though at the start of qualifying we probably would have taken it) you should really expect to get hammered. This knee jerk reaction suggests you know very little about football. For example, it seems obvious you don't recall watching the dross served up by Jack Charlton's teams which we all loved and followed passionately because it was successful. Do you remember the game v's Egypt in 1990? Worst game of football ever played anywhere on this planet at any time in history!!! It felt like the end of the world but we still went on and made the 1/4 finals. Trap is by far and away the most experianced and qualified manager we have ever had, to be looking to sack him know is quite simply ridiculous. We are in 2nd spot in a group containing the world champions, did we ever expect to finish top?? We are in a very healthy position so relax, stop worrying about Reid and Ireland and get behind our team. That way when we qualify (Via the playoffs) you will not feel guilty about cheering them on in SA.


I agree with 'Silkcut' AND 'Cestlavie' here. I agree with 'Silkcut' when he says that we have a top class manager and he is doing he best with the squad that we have, but I also have to agree with 'Cestlavie' when he/she says “Is there something wrong on this website that if you start a debate you get lambasted for making a point”

Absolutely spot on there, I could not agree more. There are several people here who believe that because they have a lot of posts that they can dictate the run of a thread. I feel sorry for these people, maybe as opposed to building posts they could start building muscles? I believe that this site should encourage people to speak their mind, and everyone should be allowed to have and give their opinion. Remember that opinions are like *******s, everyones got one.
If you are an Irish supporter and you pay out a fortune every year to go see them play by using trains, busses, darts, petrol/diesel, on official shirts, training gear, flags and scarfs, not to mention driving half way across Belgium to find an Irish pub that gives priority to the Irish supporters as opposed to the English (good luck) I think that without a doubt you have an opinion!

I don’t agree with Mr 'Cestlavie' says but has every right to say it. Calling him a ‘moron’ for doing so is nothing short of internet bullying.

Now my opinion:

Beggars cannot be choosy. We simply don’t have the talent! Trap is doing the best he can with what we have. We are second only by two points against a team that are the world champions!! Its so much better than the last time so at least that is an improvement

P.S – If you want to see how bad things are for other countries look at Belgium for Gods sake! Two of the best players in the Premiership and look at the rubbish that they serve up for their ‘supporters’

It could be a lot worse people, a lot worse

[ainsie]

Trappattoni might get us to the World Cup, but there is a very good chance that he will not.

I feel that Trapattoni has picked a system that really doesn't suit out players. The role of the two defensive midfielders under Trappatonni is a tactical error. No matter how unglamourous that role is, it is NOT one that can be carried out players of limited ability. That is the role of a confident, aggresive midfielder. A flatter midfield 4 suits our players better in several ways.

A flat midfield 4 is supported by industrious defensifly sound wide-men.

Compare:

Kilbane_Holland_Kinsella_G. Kelly

vs.

Hunt_______________McGeady
______Whelan__Andrews

I don't feel that Whelan and Andrews can support these two guys on the wing, when they have to provide the creativity.

Holland and Kinsella were certainly better players that what we have now, but McCarthy understood their limitations. That is why he selected KK and Gary Kelly on the wong. Kevin Kilbane had pace, an enormous work-rate and the attributes of a fb. Gary Kelly was a pacy fullback who knew how to stick the ball in the box. Both of them were capable of helping out the central midfielders when needed.

I also don't feel that the players he selected for the defensive mf role are even the best available. Andrews is an attacking midfielder in a lot of ways. He could be useful going forward - especially if widemen could cover defensivly. Whelan is just not a very sound player imo. Lee Carsley is better destroying stuff in the center. I reject statements like "he was part of an irish midfield that could not control games and now his legs are gone" because whether or not it can happen in football manager or fifa or whereever this notion that he can't cope because he's 35 has stemmed from, I believe that Lee improved as a player into his 30s. His last season with Everton was one of his best. His form with Birmingham is excellent. He merits a place in the squad.

Clinton Morrison would love to play and would be a good option off the bench.

To crystalize my point, Trap may get us there but if he doesn't he will have to shoulder heavy blame because he is ignoring options available to us.

No matter what does or does not happen under the hot South African sun in the summer of 2010, we can be reasonably assured Trap won't be our manager after the tournament. Surely McCarthy is in with a shout?

Thankyou for a reply on what the OP was about , Trap as a 1 trick pony (or so it appears) Its meant to be a discussion on what maybe could be done or what options are open to him not a get out trap thread.

Go to the other thread to discuss Trap out.

To the people name calling , go to the other thread and call names

[the doc]

I agree with 'Silkcut' AND 'Cestlavie' here. I agree with 'Silkcut' when he says that we have a top class manager and he is doing he best with the squad that we have, but I also have to agree with 'Cestlavie' when he/she says “Is there something wrong on this website that if you start a debate you get lambasted for making a point”

Absolutely spot on there, I could not agree more. There are several people here who believe that because they have a lot of posts that they can dictate the run of a thread. I feel sorry for these people, maybe as opposed to building posts they could start building muscles? I believe that this site should encourage people to speak their mind, and everyone should be allowed to have and give their opinion. Remember that opinions are like *******s, everyones got one.
If you are an Irish supporter and you pay out a fortune every year to go see them play by using trains, busses, darts, petrol/diesel, on official shirts, training gear, flags and scarfs, not to mention driving half way across Belgium to find an Irish pub that gives priority to the Irish supporters as opposed to the English (good luck) I think that without a doubt you have an opinion!

I don’t agree with Mr 'Cestlavie' says but has every right to say it. Calling him a ‘moron’ for doing so is nothing short of internet bullying.

Now my opinion:

Beggars cannot be choosy. We simply don’t have the talent! Trap is doing the best he can with what we have. We are second only by two points against a team that are the world champions!! Its so much better than the last time so at least that is an improvement

P.S – If you want to see how bad things are for other countries look at Belgium for Gods sake! Two of the best players in the Premiership and look at the rubbish that they serve up for their ‘supporters’

It could be a lot worse people, a lot worse

Wrong he was a good manager, but he is only here for one last big pay day!

The only reason he has been see at grounds recently was to head off any criticsm for not getting out and seeing players doing well,when he had no intention of picking them.

How he can still pick the likes of McShane and Bruce is beyond reasoning!

[mypost]

Wrong he was a good manager, but he is only here for one last big pay day!

As was Jack Charlton.

2 years ago, we were crying and bawling over why we're not in contention for qualifying.

2 years later, we're still crying and bawling, when we have a serious chance of qualifying, and climbing the world rankings.

You'd swear we were Brazil. :rolleyes:

[gaiscíoch]

After watching that game a few things are now obvious to.
Firstly the "Irish Supporters" People leaving for half time with 10mins left in the half and then 15mins before full time.
It's a disgrace. Why do people bother going if they have no interest?
A few clowns booing Mc Geady?

We are in the best position we have been in for years and we still aren't happy.
Granted it was a terrible performance! but woeful defending by Kevin Kilbane we would still be top of the group.

Which would we prefer to be playing beautiful football and getting beaten or keeping it tight and waiting for the breaks?

One thing we need to do is keep possession better. We gave away too much ground unfortuneatly we didn't seem technically able to hold onto the ball?

We are missing (I think anyway) 5 players who would should be starting for us.
2 Full backs
Left Midfielder and 2 central midfielders.

Roll on Wednesday lets hope we can get something from the game.

[Stuttgart88]

Which would we prefer to be playing beautiful football and getting beaten or keeping it tight and waiting for the breaks?I agree to an extent but I'd also query whether the question is that straightforward and whether there's a third way - play constructive proper football and take teams on at home? Bulgaria were there for the taking and we wasted 74 minutes of the game in this regard.

Just like billsthought's (where is he?) Spanish mate at the Brazil game who said "that isn't even football, it's hoofing" that's all we did on Saturday. It just wasn't football and I think there's a middle ground between Trap's pragmatism and foolhardy attacking football. Razor rightly said that the easiest way to defend is to keep the ball. If you were to look for a positive it's that without the ball we are well set up. It's just a shame this is for 70% of the match.

Anyway, here's hoping it was a particularly bad day at the office rather than anything more fundamental (my glass is back to being half full again).

[OwlsFan]

My point is he is a stubborn ould lad that has one way of playing and only one way to coach. I believe that the coach sets the mentality of the team and this team started the game trying not to lose.

This is the first post in the thread and I just wonder where this negative tactics thing about Trap comes from? I don't see any negative tactics in playing 2 forwards and 2 wingers. If you want negative tactics, he would be playing 5 in midfield and just one up front.

The problem is we don't have players who can keep the ball, especially the 2 full backs who gave the ball away on numerous occasions. I have little doubt they are being played for their physicality in what is otherwise a small team.

Before people mention Andy Reid, he is not getting his game in a struggling Sunderland team and if he were to play, I think we would have to revert to 5 in midfield but who do you then drop, Doyle or Keane ?

Trap plays an attacking formation. Trouble is the team is full of mediocrity and he is trying to paper over the cracks. A new manager would also have to do the same.

Be loyal. Don't abandon the ship at the first sight of an iceberg!

[carloz]

My only complaint against Trap is he complete unwillingness to use subs when it is painfully obvious that they are needed in a game. I refuse to critisize his tactics too much, they are the tactics he has used to great effect for 30 years. People fail to realise that we have a central midfield with under 10 caps between them, and a central defensive partnership that are in their first campaign together. These things take time.

[Stuttgart88]

Trap plays an attacking formation. True but there are other attacking formations. When he was appointed I was excited by the prospect of at least a subtle difference to the age old 4-4-2. What we've got is as rigid a 4-4-2 as we've ever had.

Our biggest problenm in a weird way is that our best attacking midfielders are wide players and, as you allude to, Duff, Keane and Doyle are undroppable - McGeady less so in my opinion but I see the point in playing him as he can clearly do damage. If each is fit then fine, but Duff was out and McGeady wasn't really at it.

What I'd like to see is a narrower midfield, mobile & confident full backs who can at least develop play and at best (if required) provide the width. Did anyone notice the positions the Bulgarian full backs took up in the second half? Even without the ball they were stationed 40 yards from our goal.

The above would still allow 3 from the abovementioned attacking players to make a fuss upfront - in any number of ways. Ther'es less pressure on a midfield two and there's a smaller gap between midfield and defence. Andy Reid would be ideal to patrol this gap.

Shape is only on paper anyway I suppose. I just wish the players themselves were better and smarter in possession.

[jmurphyc]

Saturday's game wasn't great and I don't particularly like the football that is being played. I don't have a problem with having a defensive set up, but I do think we need to have far more possession of the bal. No matter how well set up a team is defensively, inviting that much pressure onto us will inevitably lead to mistakes and potentially a goal. I also don't agree with all of Trap's decisions in terms of players to use. Andy Reid is the main gripe with me as I do think his inclusion would give us a better chance in games.

However, Trap is still relatively new to the job and so far we've been getting results. I dread to think of where we'd be with Staunton in charge right now. We're a LOT better now and we are still in the driving seat for a play off berth. I also really think we're missing Steven Reid right now. I think his presence was fundamental to the way that Trap intended us to play and sadly there's nobody out there who is anywhere remotely as good in his role.

The criticism is far too soon IMO. There's no harm in constructive criticism, but to say that he should leave after little more than a year in the job and only halfway through the qualification campaign is ridiculous. It's that kind of knee jerk reaction that put us in the position that we're currently in.

[the doc]

Trapp has just been on Sky Sports News defending his decision not to change his team or squad.

He cites Chelsea and Man Utd saying they keep settled squads, well Trapp they also get rid of any player not up to the required standard, unlike you!

This bloke has lost the plot!

[OwlsFan]

My only complaint against Trap is he complete unwillingness to use subs when it is painfully obvious that they are needed in a game. I refuse to critisize his tactics too much, they are the tactics he has used to great effect for 30 years. People fail to realise that we have a central midfield with under 10 caps between them, and a central defensive partnership that are in their first campaign together. These things take time. But what subs can he bring off the bench? He only brough Keogh on because McGeady had shipped a knock. Hunt for Duff was the only change he likes to make but since Hunt started, not too many other match changing subs he could make.

[an_ceannaire]

Petrol from Limerick to Dublin return, 65 Euro
Over night hotel for 2 139.99
Match tickets for two appx 150 quid

Just to watch that miserable excuse for a match, horrible horrible football, brutal performance, a manager who leaves it till injury time to bring on any sign of a sub.....

And ye think ye can have a go for someone who is 355 quid out of pocket voicing their displeasure....

The players were USELESS, the manager was worse.

Stop being so bloody precious about it!!
BOOOOOO!!!

[osarusan]

But what subs can he bring off the bench? He only brough Keogh on because McGeady had shipped a knock. Hunt for Duff was the only change he likes to make but since Hunt started, not too many other match changing subs he could make.

All true.

But I do think Andy Reid should be in the squad and on the bench. His exclusion suggests to me that in Trap's mind, there will never be any situation on the pitch where Ireland would benefit from a player who can pass the ball.

[dynamo kerry]

nonsense. Booing a draw against decent enough opposition is a rubbish response.

Besides what did you expect? free flowing, inventive football from a team that hasn't produced it in god knows how long? Especially with Duff out, mcgeady hobbled and the two boys in centre mid.

We're all disappointed in the result. booing doesn't help anyone and increases the negative feeling around an already becoming quite a negative experience. It's not the iffy football that would drive me away from going to ireland games. It's booing.

However, I won't sssh you if you do it right next to me, I simply won't join in.

[carloz]

But what subs can he bring off the bench? He only brough Keogh on because McGeady had shipped a knock. Hunt for Duff was the only change he likes to make but since Hunt started, not too many other match changing subs he could make.

Im well aware that or bench is extremly average, but Trap has called these players into the squad so he should have the courage to put them into action. Hunt was dead on his feet for the last 20 minutes and was giving nothing to the game. Bringing on anyone would have been an improvement. Every game it seems to be the same, one sub with about 2 minutes left. It will be a big ask for the same 11 to play 90 minutes in Bari

[jmurphyc]

Trapp has just been on Sky Sports News defending his decision not to change his team or squad.

He cites Chelsea and Man Utd saying they keep settled squads, well Trapp they also get rid of any player not up to the required standard, unlike you!

This bloke has lost the plot!

And what's he supposed to do, replace a player who is not up to standard with one that's even worse? He can't sign players, so by and large he has to make do with what he currently has. Also, the term "lost the plot" is one of the most overused and mind numbingly stupid terms in football. He could probably talk to you and bore you to death about football for days until you finally "lose the plot".

[jmurphyc]

Why did you go then? It was obvious that this game was hardly going to be full of excitement before the match. Did you go with the sole intention of booing? If you bought overpriced tickets to the theatre and found that not only was it boring, but that the actors and director clearly weren't up to scratch would you boo?

[elroy]

RUBBISH............no one is forcing you to go. I understand you are annoyed at been out of pocket but keep your money and stay at home. Im going to Italy tomorrow, all in all going to cost me €500+, but i dont expect a pretty game, in fact im hoping for a dull boring game, but ill give it my all supporting the team no matter how good or bad things are going.
Your a spectator not a supporter. Its easy support a successful team, its when the going is tough that the real support is needed. Funnily enough this team is doing quite well. Imagine if we were performing like wales (Similar size country etc) for example!!!

[Jicked]

Well then you're not a supporter, you're someone out to get a return for what you financially put in. That's not what being a real supporter is about. You take the good with the bad.

I could see why someone would boo the Staunton era when it was clearly a protest at the mismanagement of the FAI and the refusal of Staunton to quit, despite knowing he wasn't up to the job just to ensure a big pay-off, but booing the first time because we only drew with a side seeded above us is laughable.

[Stuttgart88]

You pay to go to a game in the full knowledge that we can lose or play badly. If you want guaranteed entertainment rent a DVD or something, you'll have a better chance of getting what you want.

I was gobsmacked by how bad the performance was. I'd spent a few hundred coming back from London but not once did I feel the inclination to boo. Never have and never will.

Of course you have the right to do anything you want but in my mind it'd mark you out as a prat if you booed the team off.

[kev mcq]

Petrol from Limerick to Dublin return, 65 Euro


:eek: Shouldn't have brought the Range Rover

[FarBeag]

And what's he supposed to do, replace a player who is not up to standard with one that's even worse? He can't sign players, so by and large he has to make do with what he currently has. Also, the term "lost the plot" is one of the most overused and mind numbingly stupid terms in football. He could probably talk to you and bore you to death about football for days until you finally "lose the plot".


McShane should not be playing football full stop. It appears that in Trapps view he is our second best right back in the country. There are a few Irish right backs out there eg , Foley, Kelly, Coleman, even Steven Carr all of whom are tons better that Ginger. Change him and this is a start to improving the team. Leave O' Shea and Dunne as they have formed a strong partnership. Left back with Kilbane is our next weakest link. Put Delaney in there for now and move Killer to Hunts current position. Whelan has to go and replace him with Gibson for now alongside Andrews. Leave Doyle and Keane where they are.Andy Reid should be in the squad as a plan B for Trapp who clearly does not appear to have one. There you are a couple of simple changes strengthens the team without any interruptions to the formation.

[the doc]

And what's he supposed to do, replace a player who is not up to standard with one that's even worse? He can't sign players, so by and large he has to make do with what he currently has. Also, the term "lost the plot" is one of the most overused and mind numbingly stupid terms in football. He could probably talk to you and bore you to death about football for days until you finally "lose the plot".

We all know he's not picking our best 24 players, so whats with the "He has to make do" rubbish!

[Stuttgart88]

Your mate St Ledger wouldn't have made a jot of a difference.

Of those that might have, they were probably all in the squad bar Andy Reid and nobody can be under any illusion that he's out for disciplinerary reasons. Finnan, Ireland and Steven Reid are unavailable. Maybe Lawrence or Delap. Personally I think Garvan has something to offer the senior team but it's a marginal call as it is with a few other Championship players.

But St. Ledger? No difference.

[the doc]

Your mate St Ledger wouldn't have made a jot of a difference.



Would of made more of a positive contribution than McShane!

The Saint is comfortable on the ball and gets forward and supports the midfield, he does this when playing at CB and RB.

[Fizzer]

Petrol from Limerick to Dublin return, 65 Euro
Over night hotel for 2 139.99
Match tickets for two appx 150 quid

Just to watch that miserable excuse for a match, horrible horrible football, brutal performance, a manager who leaves it till injury time to bring on any sign of a sub.....

And ye think ye can have a go for someone who is 355 quid out of pocket voicing their displeasure....

The players were USELESS, the manager was worse.

Stop being so bloody precious about it!!
BOOOOOO!!!


Stay at home next time you fool

[Drumcondra 69er]

God knows what sort of opinion would have been pinging round the internet had it been invented in Jack Charlton's first campaign after drawing nil all at home to Belgium and Scotland and going one down to Luxembourg when they were one of the biggest minnows in the game. Funilly enough that was all forgotten come Summer 88.

[osarusan]

Price of electricity to watch the game on TV : a few cents.

Glass of tap water I drank while watching the game : 0 cents.

Calories burnt while shouting at the TV : 100

Calories burnt while shaking my head in a resigned manner : 50

Calories burnt while throwing my eyes up to heaven : 50

Number of curses produced over 90+ minutes of game : unknown

[Stuttgart88]

Would of made more of a positive contribution than McShane!

The Saint is comfortable on the ball and gets forward and supports the midfield, he does this when playing at CB and RB.Yeah but Foley is a better right back and WAS in the squad.

[dublinred]

Trapp has just been on Sky Sports News defending his decision not to change his team or squad.

He cites Chelsea and Man Utd saying they keep settled squads, well Trapp they also get rid of any player not up to the required standard, unlike you!

This bloke has lost the plot!

Agree, picking McShane and then keeping him on for the full ninety when he was brutal is beyond belief , would love to see Coleman get a run in the team but not sure he would fit in with traps plans as he likes to attack and frequently goes past the half way line.

[Stuttgart88]

Don't you think there are others ahead of Coleman, even if he is a very good young full back?

[LFCSixty/Eighty]

To all the people defending Trap, i want to ask one question.

Why is he unquestionable? Why are his actions infallible?

This might give you a clue!!

[the doc]

Yeah but Foley is a better right back and WAS in the squad.

So play Foley, instead of McShane! I just don't understand how McShane keeps getting picked.

[mypost]

Petrol from Limerick to Dublin return, 65 Euro
Over night hotel for 2 139.99
Match tickets for two appx 150 quid

And ye think ye can have a go for someone who is 355 quid out of pocket voicing their displeasure....

You're the bigger eejit for paying that much for fuel and accommodation. Fuc driving and hotels. IE were running trains back to Limerick after the game!!!! :rolleyes::eek:

Our next two home games are in Limerick. I'll go if IE are running trains back to Dublin after the game. I hopefully won't be paying €50-70 for match tickets and I certainly won't be paying for accommodation. Might be able to do the whole gig for about €50 max, less still if there are buses running in either direction. And it's the same distance as you've done.

[LFCSixty/Eighty]

While searching the net trying to find clues as to why we shouldn't be surprised by what we are seeing regarding Traps baffling decision not to play anyone creative in midfield, I found this interesting article dated June 20th 2004.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article447692.ece

In it, it has quotes from a certain midfield general, Gennaro Gattuso who gives an interesting insight into the mindset of the man some people dare not question and how he viewed someone like Pirlo, who incidentally was Man of the Match on Saturday night.

"Gattuso had been grumpy. He felt he and Pirlo should have reprised their AC Milan partnership against the Danes and, with Marcello Lippi or Fabio Capello expected to take over from Trapattoni after the tournament, he hasn’t been keeping his trap shut. “I’d always play Pirlo but Trap says his first concern is to avoid losing goals. The truth is that we didn’t know what we were doing out there, everyone should know his role and have precise responsibilities. Trap spoke to us for five minutes before training after the Denmark game but he didn’t say anything particularly interesting. Having top-class players isn’t enough, we need organisation too.” The headlines offered the same advice. Trap, We Need Pirlo said one, No Gameplan, No Leader, another'

I think this for me pretty much sums him up, he DOESN'T want creative players. Andy Reid or for that matter, anyone that can actually pass the ball, might as well hang their boots, as long as Traps in charge. If he has the audacity not to play Pirlo, who surely, nobody can argue is still one of the most astute passers of a football in the world, what chance do they have.

Watching Ireland on Saturday night was depressing, even if we had won. It was the fact that there was no control, no thought behind our game.

I expected a lot more from Trap when he took the job, now I realize that we have gotten exactly what we paid for.

[Lionel Ritchie]

Our next two home games are in Limerick. I'll go if IE are running trains back to Dublin after the game. I hopefully won't be paying €50-70 for match tickets and I certainly won't be paying for accommodation. Might be able to do the whole gig for about €50 max, less still if there are buses running in either direction. And it's the same distance as you've done.

I take it you're getting into the match for free then because Dublin-Limerick on the choo-choo is over fifty bucks on it's own

[NeilMcD]

I take it you're getting into the match for free then because Dublin-Limerick on the choo-choo is over fifty bucks on it's own

It depends you can book it for 15 euro one way online if you like for the 10 o clock and the 12 o clock trains to Limerick from Dublin

and the same the other way.

[Sligo Hornet]

It depends you can book it for 15 euro one way online if you like for the 10 o clock and the 12 o clock trains to Limerick from Dublin

and the same the other way.


The beer must be very poor in Milan (or are you in Bologna now?) if you are posting here Neil!!:D

[NeilMcD]

Would you believe I missed my flight Sunday morning so getting my original one tomorrow to Bologna. No big deal really, one flight had to be a waste so it was Milan. Knee was killing me after the game Sat night and standing up for all of it.

[mypost]

I take it you're getting into the match for free then because Dublin-Limerick on the choo-choo is over fifty bucks on it's own

If you take advantage of the special offers, it's a quarter of the price, and the buses wouldn't be much more than it. And there's the flight option too. There are bargain prices around for travelling this country if you look for them.

[Metrostars]

I think this for me pretty much sums him up, he DOESN'T want creative players. ....

So why are the likes of Duff and McGeady playing? These are very defensive players, right?