The Rock Returns

[max power]

after an 8 month absence the rock returned to RAW on monday night to bring back the rock and sock connection, will he stay for long this time, and will foley be an wresltemania XX. i think foley will be at wrestlemania XX in the garden, which by the way i'm going to !!!! and i think he will face the rock or undertaker will comt to the raw brand for revenge on kane ????

[UCD_4_Life]

He won't be around for long - he's got about five movies to do in the next twelve months.

[A face]

Originally posted by UCD_4_Life
He won't be around for long - he's got about five movies to do in the next twelve months.

Delighted !! ..... might see less of the fool.

[max power]

all going straight to video, just like the rundown that i seen in the states in sept and no sign of it here yet, good movie and as normal vince was the ex producer

[max power]

fool, at least you could call him an ass clown

[Gary]

For one thing Max, people avoid looking at wrestling sites so we can enjoy Raw (if possible, its utter drivel these days) and SD. so try not and post spoilers here.

One the topic at hand, the Rocks return is another attempt to get Raws ratings up and its admission. Raw is a horrible bad shoew these days, which tottally encompasses sports entertainment . The level of performer is shockingly bad. The fact that Goldberg and HHH are main eventing PPV after PPV is indicitive of how bad its gone. Then u look down the card, you see a guy like Jericho/Christian/RVD totally wasted. And another thing, it was seen last time Rock returned that he works so much better as the arrogant heel. Its entertaining, and he brings the best out of everyone. Not too mention he does well at putting over new talent.

Raw is still WWE main show. No wonder its stock and attendences and buy rate is going so far down hill. Its boring. Foley is boring. Austin is boring (once a legend), HBK is boring. Raw has let its talent go stale, and its a shame. Then u look across at Smackdown and its outstanding. None of the real HUGE names are there, but damn, they put on a heck of a show. Lookingat talent like Brock, Benoit, Kurt, Cena, Eddie. It makes for a great show. Great in ring work with a promo here and there, rather than the other way around, like the way Raw has become.


Oh and BTW Max, if u are going to XX, i hate you.

[A face]

Anyone seen the Lemmings version of Wrestling .... apparantly it is very realistic.

[max power]

gary a lot of what you said i agree with, but foley isn't boring, hes the only bit of life in the show in the last while, bret hart is on the way back (sorry) and there are talks on going with sting to get him, i do feel if the undertaker comes it might do something and i have a feeling the old dark undertaker will return once more.

[joeSoap]

Originally posted by max power
bret hart is on the way back (
He's the guy whose brother got squashed like a bug when the chain snapped off a steel cage and he plummeted to a 100 ft drop to his death...then his opponents thought it was part of the act so they started waylaying into him with a flurry of boots before they realised that he was brown bread....Great TV!!

[max power]

no joe it wasn't as evil as that, a lowering device malfunctioned and he was bounced off the ground a few times and died, sad loss, owen hart was a real talent.

[sadloserkid]

I loathe The Rock for much the same reason as I loathe a lot of americans - all brash mouth and no substance. That people's elbow is just brutal!!! Brutal I tell you!

[Ruairi]

Originally posted by sadloserkid
That people's elbow is just brutal!!! Brutal I tell you!

Ya but it's funny when you do it at four in the morning on the way home.

On concrete.

My own personal favourite is a rock bottom through a hedge.

[sadloserkid]

Personally I'd go for a Swanton Bomb off the roof of the Shed onto a couple of mattresses that have been dragged into the back garden for precisely that purporse.

:)

[max power]

the Swanton Bomb has been done in that way many years ago when foley was a teenager, get the footage, he jumped from the top of his garage into a load of cardboard boxes, better than any move i've ever seen in the ring, the only real legand is flair wooooooooooooooooooooooohh !!!!!!!!!!

[joeSoap]

Goalkeeper: Yokazuna (nothing would pass him)
Defence; Andre The Giant, Undertaker, Kevin Nash, Batista.
Midfield: Benoit, Mr Perfect, Kurt Angle, X-Pac
Strikers: HHH, Stone Cold.
Subs, Rikishi (GK), Hogan, Bret Hart, Ted Dibiase( need money for transfers) Honky Tonk Man and Randy Savage.

4-4-2 formation based on a goalkeeper so big he takes up the entire frame, defenders so big you can't get round them or beat them in the air. A quick, strong midfield, and brute force, ignorance and no little skill up front.:D :D

[max power]

i can't believe cena isn't in there , word life !!!! that guy is gonna be big, very big, good on the mic , good moves, a bi tof comedy i think he's the next angle !!!

i wouldn't have hogan anywhere near that team, i can't stand him.

what about sid ????? and flair woooooooooooooooohhhh !!!!!

[SÓC]

Com'on how can you have a team of WWE superstars without the greatest WWE team of all time, Im talking Shaun Michaels and Marty Janetti (spelling?).

I'd go with

Earthquake

Angle, Andre The Giant, The Big Show, Bret Hart

Koki Beware*, John Cena, The Undertaker, Tatonka+

Michaels, Janetti



*(I think that was his name, he was Owen Harts tag team partner for years, did alot of off the top ropes stuff. A smallish/medium build black guy)

+(Not sure of the spelling, Native Americian Indian, he invented the Freddy Ljungberg red streak)

I've gone for a quicker team, I think I could really hurt your team down the wings especially:D

[max power]

well think sting should be in there somewhere, what a talent, he would really get raw back on track.

jimmy sucka as well and for those high flying, risk taking tackle, foley has to get a place in midfield.
and i'd make the hurricane the reporter on the sideline,

[joeSoap]

and its gotta be managed by Bobby 'The Brain' Heenan, with a whole bevy of cute physios and masseuses such as Trish Stratus, Stephanie McMahon, Terri, Miss Elizabeth and Tori.....slobbering Homer Simpson Style at the moment......mmmmmmmmmmm

[sadloserkid]

Originally posted by SÓCcfc
Marty Janetti (spelling?).

Koki Beware*
*(I think that was his name, he was Owen Harts tag team partner for years, did alot of off the top ropes stuff. A smallish/medium build black guy)

Tatonka+
+(Not sure of the spelling, Native Americian Indian, he invented the Freddy Ljungberg red streak)

The rockers were Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty if I'm to be pedantic about it. As a tag-team they were flashy but never won the tag titles and Jannetty's solo career petered out pretty quickly once his fued with Michaels died down and he had to get by on his own. Janetty can't make your team!!!

Koko B. Ware was a midcarder for years, teamed up with The British Bulldogs back around Wrestlemania IV I think. When the New Foundation disbanded due to Jim 'The Anvil' Neidhart picking up a long term injury B. Ware was drafted in to form a tag-team with Owen 'The Rocket' Hart (as he was then known) called High Energy. They hung around the tag division for a couple of years without ever making a big splash before Owen Hart moved up the singles ladder and Koko headed onto the independent circut.

Your native american was called Tatanka and initially at least he looked to be on the cusp of big things. He set off on a massive unbeaten run, turning over Razor Ramon a couple of times before eventually losing a match against Finnish journeyman Ludwig Borga (who was unbeaten himself for ages). I think Tatanka even had a short spell as Intercontintal Champ before it all went downhill. As the 90's moved on, the WWF was trying to get away from the comic-bookish goodies and baddies scenario so for some reason they turned Tatanka into a heel. He sold out to 'Million Dollar Man' Ted DiBiase for lots and lots of money, incurring the wrath of just-turned heel Lex Luger. He vanished off the map virtually overnight afterwards...

[SÓC]

Originally posted by sadloserkid
The rockers were Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty if I'm to be pedantic about it. As a tag-team they were flashy but never won the tag titles and Jannetty's solo career petered out pretty quickly once his fued with Michaels died down and he had to get by on his own. Janetty can't make your team!!!


Ah but did you ever see the match between Jannetty and Michaels when Michaels was just starting to get big in his solo career and Jannetty came out of the crowd to shock Michaels. I think (not certain) Michaels was the Intercontintal Champ at the time. Were they not called the Rockets?

Didnt both the Rockets/Rockers and High Energy both hold the tag team titles for some time?

I'd have to have the 1-2-3 Kid on the bench, cant believe I forgot about him earlier! What ever happened to him?

Other journey men to make my bench would be the Model Rick Martel (I think that was his name)

The Repo man- always reminded me of the ham burgler

Virgil - nearly won the title off Bret Hart

Jake the Snake

[max power]

jake ended up as a coke head, very sad.

[sadloserkid]

Originally posted by SÓCcfc
Ah but did you ever see the match between Jannetty and Michaels when Michaels was just starting to get big in his solo career and Jannetty came out of the crowd to shock Michaels. I think (not certain) Michaels was the Intercontintal Champ at the time. Were they not called the Rockets?

Didnt both the Rockets/Rockers and High Energy both hold the tag team titles for some time?

I'd have to have the 1-2-3 Kid on the bench, cant believe I forgot about him earlier! What ever happened to him?

Other journey men to make my bench would be the Model Rick Martel (I think that was his name)

The Repo man- always reminded me of the ham burgler

Virgil - nearly won the title off Bret Hart

Jake the Snake

I didn't see that match you mentioned, my favourite Jannetty match was against Michaels at the Survivor Series shortly after Jannetty returned from the injury Michaels inflicted upon him to terminate their friendship.

The Rockers (not The Rockets definately) were never tag-team champions, I'm 100% sure of that. I never remember High Energy having the gold either but I'll concede that they made have had a short reign in the mid 90's when the tag division was at its weakest. Now, as for the others you mentioned...

1-2-3 Kid became X-Pac and I presume you know the rest? D-Generation X, Cruiserweight titles et al. He got fired some time last year though for a liack of discipline and focus.

Rick Martel was a fine technical wrestler and as one half of Strike Force a tag-team champion with Tito Santana (later El Matador) in the 80's. Not the greatest of mic workers though and held back by his innane character.

The Repo Man was another whose gimmic stopped him from ever making a real splash. He was actually originally in Demolition, one of the best tag-teams ever to grace the WWF but never got above the bottom end of the card in The Repo Man Guise. nice catch phrase though - "What's mine is mine and what's your is mine too!" :)

Virgil actually fueded with The Repo Man. Initially he was Ted Dibiase's Bodyguard but turned face when he tired of The Million Dollar Man treating him like a slave (notice how the black guy was a virtual slave? The WWF in the 1980's didn't do subtlety) He had a brief reign as Million Dollar Champion (not much of a career highlight really) before sliding back down the card and into oblivion.

Finally Jake 'the Snake' Roberts. Initially an adored face, he spent years around the upper-mid card without ever really winning much (if anything) in the way of titles. Turned heel in what was his best story by far, when he sabotaged the wedding of 'Macho Man' Randy Savage and Ms.Elizabeth (who later died of a suspected overdose while living with Lex Luger). Also fueded with the Undertaker and Andre The Giant at vaious stages in his career, had a 'blindfold' mask with Rick Martel years ago and turned face again as his career wound down. Outside the ring he hit drugs in a big way and was arrested several over non-payment of child support running to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Glad I could help! ;)

[joeSoap]

You're an even bigger bottomless pit of useless '80's trivia-tripe than I ever thought imaginable:D :D
Any thoughts on more of those '80's cult classics such as The A-Team, Knight Rider, Magnum, etc etc??

[UCD_4_Life]

A few things on SLK's post:

You're right, The Rockers were never tag champions. Well they did win them once but the WWF decided to forget that the match ever took place (the ropes broke early on and the match ended up being really embarrassing).

1-2-3 Kid was initially fired from the WWF because of drug problems, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall managed to get him a job in WCW where (under the name "Syxx") after a decent early run his career tailed off and he was eventually sacked as a punishment to Hall and Nash (who basically did whatever they pleased). He asked for his release from WWE but he could easily get his job back when you consider that he's best friends with Triple H.

I loved "The Model" Rick Martel gimmick!

Virgil was later in WCW as the nWo's lackey "Vincent".

What ruined Jake Roberts as much as anything was a botched guitar spot with the Honky Tonk Man in the late eighties. Whereas in modern times they use shoddy balsa wood that'll break really easily (and actually look good) back then they used real guitars. Jake took a real guitar over the head from the utterly clueless Honky (who hit him full whack) and suffered serious neck injuries, eventually becoming addicted to painkillers. It didn't help that you worked like three hundred dates a year with the WWF back then, either. Since then Roberts has become a complete and utter bum (child support, crack etc.).

He's basically the Paul McGrath of the wrestling world. An absolute genius who let his demons get the better of him.

[sadloserkid]

UCD_4_life, my respect for you has just rocketed! :)

Ok, then, how about the 5 most underused wrestlers of the last 15 years or so?

I'll say:
1. Bradshaw
2. Adam Bomb
3. Raven
4. Hakushi
5. Crush/Kona Crush

[Ruairi]

ooohhhh... a wrestling 11...lemme see....

Kane

Matt Hardy Brock Lesnar Undertaker Chris Jericho


Shawn Micheals Stone Cold Bret Hart Rey Mysterio



Kurt

Cena

Subs: Christian, Benoit, Nash, HHH, RVD, Orton, Flair (bit of a Patsy Freyne I'd say)

Manager: Mick Foley
Asst: Bobby Heenan
Physio:Paul Bearer
"Director Of Football" *cough* Vince McMahon
Masseur: Stacey Kiebler
Eye Candy/Cheerleaders: Steph, Victoria, Sable, Trish

Kane on goal, he'd scare the **** outta me if I was one on one with him, two big centre halves, two attacking full backs, two flair players on the flanks(mysterio in the "Liam Kearney" role), Stone Cold breaking up play in midfield, Bret Hart linking up with Kurt and up front Cena knocking 'em in.

Can't see me...

[steven17]

wreastling is all well and good but what is really the best gimmick of this era is la resistaince with the "rick the model martel"type movements and the dance is just unreal eh eh.(in french arrogance)

[sadloserkid]

Originally posted by steven17
wreastling is all well and good but what is really the best gimmick of this era is la resistaince with the "rick the model martel"type movements and the dance is just unreal eh eh.(in french arrogance)

Each to their own I'm sure but I think la Resistance is just pathetic anti-French post-War on terror crap that the WWE haven't been dumb enough to churn out since the Bolsheviks. (Wasn't it Wrestlemania V where the Bolsheviks 'sang' their national anthem to a chorus of boos, Gorrilla Monsoon spouting petty bile and a sneal attack from the always impressive Hart Foundation?) The anti-american angle last year wasn't much better, just another attempt to draw in the rednecks... :rolleyes:

[tetsujin1979]

Didn't the WWE try something similar during the Gulf War, having Sargeant Slaughter ally himself with the Iron Shiekh, who was an Iraqi?

[sadloserkid]

Originally posted by tetsujin1979
Didn't the WWE try something similar during the Gulf War, having Sargeant Slaughter ally himself with the Iron Shiekh, who was an Iraqi?

That's true yeah. Sgt.Slaughter teamed up with General Adnan and Colonel Mustafa (one of which was previously the Iron Sheik) and it all came crashing down when they lost a handicap match aginst Hulk Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior (a true legend of the Charlie Nicholas school)

[UCD_4_Life]

Not to mention that Slaughter and the WWF got death threats not long after the angle started!

Underrated folk:

1. Ted DiBiase - The best wrestler who never won a World Title in my view.

2. Val Venis/Sean Morley - Can do it all, if only they'd drop the awful gimmick (which hasn't been over in five years).

3. Goldust - Again, he can pretty much do it all and was one of the best workers in WWE this year. Shame that he's being released in January.

4. Scott Hall/Razor Ramon - Could've been a World Champion several times over if he hadn't let the drink get the better of him.

5. Eddy Guerrero - Great wrestler, very popular...should be involved with the likes of Lesnar and Angle at the top of the card.

Honourable mention: Chris Benoit, TAKA, Funaki, Marty Janetty, Jake Roberts, Spanky...

[Gary]

In fact that gimmick "worked" so well was that they (WWF) had to move a wrestlemania (9 i think) from an open air arena to a (70k capacity Vs 6.5k i believe)smaller indoor one for fear of a sniper or some loon carrying in a gun would try and shoot slaughter.


Underused talent:
Benoit : please give the man the belt for a few months, he can make anyone look talented in the ring. What he lacks on the mic is more than made up for in in-ring ability. His matches with Jericho and Kurt are just breathtaking.

Jericho : Ok, he held the belt for a bit and was first ever undisputed champ, but he never had a clean win as champ, even resorting to using a chair to beat recent TE1 winner Maven. Needs a proper run as champ as he CAN carry the company out of its curret slump.

Scott Hall : Hey yo, alone that is genius. Pity he is a p**s head. Should have had a better career than he did.

Rick Rude : Never given the title even though he was the undispurted top heel for yrs. (rip)

Owen : What a performer Owen Hart was. Certainly the greatest wrestler never to be champ. He had it all, mic skills, technical skills, versatility between face and heel. Wrestling truly lost out the day he died (which brings me to the IGNORANT post made by some moron earlier. OWENS death was not actually captured on camera, even though it happened on Live PPV television. he died instantly from the fall, not in fact as how described earlier. I know becoz i saw said PPV live).

Eddie Guerrero : The man is a genius. Greattechnique, great mioc skills, high flyer. A main event between himself and benoit/Jericho/ Angle would be the perfect end to WM XX.

Up and coming:
Cena : Future top heel and face written all over him, just needs to brush up on his actual in ring technique.

Orton: The new Ric Flair. Will go on to be the greatest heel of them all. His arrogance, his look makes him hateable enough as it is. Again, just needs to harness his in ring skills, and we havbe a top performer for many many yrs to come.

Over rated:
Hogan. Always found him BOOOORING
Goldberg. I hate power wrestlers
Brock Lsnar: Too big, pity because he is a great WRESTLER
Austin. Carried the company for yrs, but his gimmick is just over played lowest common denominator rubbish.


True Legends

Angle : The man doesnt know how to have a bad match. Needs to be a heel to realise his full potential.

Rock: While his moveset is kinda bad, his mic skills and comedy are outstanding.

Taker : please bring back the deadman (Rumble?!?). The fact that this guy has been top of the company for yrs and yrs and has only held the title 4 times (5?) is testament to this guys work ethic. Will always put ove r new talent.

Bret : Simply put, the greatest ever

HBK : Simply put, the greatest showman of them all.



Thats me anyway.