Idiocy

[ShnaeGuevara715]

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/lenihan-we-didnt-notice-the-downturn-1574408.html

Hmm had another link from the 2 weeks ago, the one where Brian Cowen said he didnt realise how bad things were until just then. The Indo seem to put up these articles on the home page criticising fianna fail then all of a sudden vanish into thin air.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/lenihan-admits-vat-error-cost-us-8364700m-1673385.html

Please leave any other links or articles highlighting the stupidity!

[mypost]

No surprise there.

A lot of people didn't realise, or chose not to believe the dire circumstances we were in until their planes arrived home after their holidays.

This recession has been going on for over 2 years. The first indicator was when house prices started falling, then the construction industry lost thousands of jobs. Then the wider economy lost jobs. By the Lisbon ref, there were 20k people signing on per month. The government didn't recognise the difficulties at the time. Finally, we entered recession officially, and the fall of Lehman Bros./banking crisis meant the government had to admit the inevitable.

Now, 30k people are signing on per month. The government is attempting to link our woes with the Lisbon ref this year, as the solution to all our problems. Reality is Lisbon didn't cause them, nor will it solve them, the government has with it's reliance on the construction industry. Now it's smashed, all the innocent people who missed out on the boom, now have to pay the bill for the recession, with draconian and counter-productive tax increases every few months, long after the battle for Lisbon ends.

[ShnaeGuevara715]

Big news article on the news today that Biffo has acquired 130 million dollars worth of trade agreements from America. Absolutely ludicrous seen as though thats worth what, 90million euro or somethin?

But hey it COULD develop into being worth couple of hundred million in a few years when we pull out of recession. Just think that 700mill we've lost since October.

Credit rating has been downgraded too today and if you read the statement it said it was mainly because of the incompetence of the regulator and the protection of the golden circle and all the anglo irish stuff. RTE had it down as an inevitability due to the global recession. Wrong. Local incompetence AGAIN

[Royal rover]

all in all the anglo thing has made us look like gangsters - it's easy to say it now though we all need to blame someone, Berty has walked away from this smelling of roses and will be remembered by many as a great man, people saw the slow down - did anyone think it would of been as bad as this i don't think so - the whole idea the ireland was a knowledged based economy was a farce- what we really had was a country hell bent on buying that 2nd/3rd property in longford town centre or bulgaria - you had young lads coming out of consrtuction jobs earning 1200 a week- the country is and will be in ruins for the next 20 years at least -

[Newryrep]

Berty has walked away from this smelling of roses and will be remembered by many as a great man,......on jobs earning 1200 a week- the country is and will be in ruins for the next 20 years at least -

Disagree with this, history will not view him kindly at all bar the GFA, a finance minister without a bank account, a Taiseocht who explained away various sums in his account as winnings from the bookies, great opportunity for the country ****ed away

[pete]

Disagree with this, history will not view him kindly at all bar the GFA, a finance minister without a bank account, a Taiseocht who explained away various sums in his account as winnings from the bookies, great opportunity for the country ****ed away

I think history will view the Irish electorate less kindly as we elected him even when we knew all you mention. At least with Haughey we had the excuse that didn't know what was happening... :(

[Den Perry]

I'm just saving my money to get out of this place...its so bloody corrupt

[Den Perry]

I'm just saving my money to get out of this place...its so bloody corrupt

having said that, I don't mean to sound unpatriotic...I love my country, but not the people who run it

[Newryrep]

I think history will view the Irish electorate less kindly as we elected him even when we knew all you mention. At least with Haughey we had the excuse that didn't know what was happening... :(

wouldnt disagree with the above

[OneRedArmy]

I haven't met a FF voter yet who blames Bertie or his cronies, in any real way, for whats gone on, at least enough to make them not vote for them next time.

Has anyone else met a repentant Fianna Fail'er? Do they exist?

All I hear from them is "the other crowd are worse".

This country really annoys me sometimes.

[pete]

Has anyone else met a repentant Fianna Fail'er? Do they exist?


They don't exist. Look at the way they latched onto the Golden Circle 10 as if they were to blame for all our ills. Also Dempseys speech trying to make Bank Executives the scapegoats not that they need me to defend them.

[kingdom hoop]

They don't exist. Look at the way they latched onto the Golden Circle 10 as if they were to blame for all our ills. Also Dempseys speech trying to make Bank Executives the scapegoats not that they need me to defend them.

Yeah I remember that speech a few weeks ago. It was coincident with a fiery appearance by Martin Cullen on Questions and Answers, signaling a noticeable change in Government tack as they sought to distance themselves from the situation. It was if Cowen jolted awake in his sweaty jocks one night to suddenly realise FF might possibly, somehow, be implicated in presiding over a disastrous regulatory regime over the past decade or so. No, no, it was the bankers who done it. It's all their fault.

[Macy]

They've been at that from the start - none of it was our fault, it was all global conditions and circumstances. You'd expect it from them. Hopefully the electorate will remember, not only at the next election, but any subsequent ones where a new Government has to take tough decisions.

Former FF staffer, FF candiadate and all round RTE FF party spokesman Noel Whelan has suggested there will be this year. FF are probably about to cut and run, and hope that the electorate have short memories and will blame the cuts caused by their mismanagement on those that come in to clean up the mess...

I should clarify, they should and must go. However, their logic won't be national interest or that any Government needs a mandate for the cuts that are going to happen, it'll be the same old self serving party interest ahead of national interest.

[ShnaeGuevara715]

What way would people, as in you yourself, vote, if an election was held tomorrow?

I'd say Labour, Green myself probably.

Joe Higgins isn't my constituency :p... :(

[Macy]

I'd say Labour, Green myself probably.
Greens are part of the problem. It's Government policies and inaction that is the problem, and the Green's share the collective responsibility. They won't get a preference from me next time around (instead of the quite high one they've got the last few times).

[Dodge]

I think it was bernard O'Donoghue who spoke last month that Fianna fail should consider leaving government as if things continue "we'll get murdered at the polls" (paraphrasing)

FF's sole aim is to get elected. There are few policies...

[eamo1]

Fianna Fail are an extremely well oiled machine when it comes to elections.They will tell you EVERYTHING you want to hear and then do F**k all about it.They will get a good pasting in the local elections though but relatively speaking that doesnt mean much.They will gladly take the hit in these elections rather then a General Election.By the time the next election comes they will have invented some spin to make them seem heroic:rolleyes:.

What has helped them has been the general public view thats out there
that "the opposition cannot provide a real alternative".That statement isnt totally inaccurate though.