Tralee Dynamos FC

[legendz]

If the status quo has always been accepted there'd never be any change. If the current league is a lock out and their are regions with out a club. While maybe not this year, the long term will have to see the introduction of a proper third tier.

Dynamos were never going to automatically get the support of the county. It's a two way bridge what will have to be built in time should Dynamos eventually gain league status. If they had got in this year my advice would've been for the club to set up soccer camps around the county in Listowel, Dingle, Tralee and Killarney and work with clubs in those areas to promote the game as well as the club. Dynamos will have to work for the support but they need league status first.

[culloty82]

Going by today's Kerry's Eye, Dynamos were rejected because "their financial projections were unrealistic" and "the stand and pathway needed significant development". They plan to continue in the U-19 league next season and re-apply in 2013, but can they put in the necessary work to achieve a licence entirely on their own? It doesn't seem likely that the Kerry League team will be revived in the near future outside of the Oscar Traynor Cup, but what is most important, whichever option is taken, is that Kerry soccer continues to work towards securing League of Ireland status, preferably by 2013.

[kerrysock]

but what is most important, whichever option is taken, is that Kerry soccer continues to work towards securing League of Ireland status, preferably by 2013. +1 here.

[sadloserkid]

I'd applaud Dynamos for continuing in the U19 League. Would have been easy to slink off into the night and not look back.

[kerrysock]

I'd applaud Dynamos for continuing in the U19 League. Would have been easy to slink off into the night and not look back.

Can Dynamos continue in the u19 league if they have no senior team in the LOI, since the a-championship was abandoned? Im assuming they can finish out this season but are not eligible next season...

[Sam_Heggy]

Can Dynamos continue in the u19 league if they have no senior team in the LOI, since the a-championship was abandoned? Im assuming they can finish out this season but are not eligible next season...

Nothing to stop them, other clubs have done it down through the years in the Under 21 league.

[legendz]

LEAGUE OF IRELAND: Tralee Dynamos launched its "400" club at a well attended meeting in the Carlton Hotel. Jason Fitzgerald (Chairman), Colm Clifford (General Manager), Richard Wong (Commercial Manager) & Ger Moloney (Infrastructure) all spoke about Tralee Dynamos plans for League of Ireland Division 1 soccer. If you are interested in being part of the "400" club contact any member of the board.

Many thanks to everyone who attended and contributed to a very healthy debate on the merits of Tralee Dynamos joining the National League. At the end of the meeting it was agreed that the 400 Club has the full backing of the club.

400 CLUB: To join or find out more about the 400 club you can contact any club officer listed below alternatively contact info@traleedynamos.com


Jason Fitzgerald - Chairperson

Richard Wong – Commercial Manager
Sheila Fitzgerald – Secretary
Colm Clifford – General Manager
Ger Moloney – Infrastructure
Noel White – 1st Team Manager
Brian Fitzgerald – Supporters Liaison Officer
Pa Daly – Legal
Edgar McGrath – Finance
Declan Meehan/Joe Meehan – Youth Officers

So that should satisfy the FAI concerning the budget, whether the commitments on Cahermoneen will suffice seems to be the last issue.


From Dynamos website:
400 CLUB DAY 4: Black blocks sold so far after the 1st 10 members returned mandate forms. General manager Colm Clifford expressed delight with the number of blocks sold for the 400 club after 3 days from a couple of members. He urged all members to do their best over the coming weeks to help the club achieve its target to bring League of Ireland football to Tralee for the 1st time in the clubs history. League of Ireland is now in its 92nd without any Kerry participation this is something that has to be addressed with over 4000 people playing soccer in Kerry.


League of Ireland represents a huge motivation for all our younger players to aspire to Colm said. Colm concluded saying we have 400 blocks to sell, this a challenge for everyone interested in the development of soccer in Kerry.

Buy a block for as little as 4.81 a week or 20 euro’s a month. We also have business opportunities at 100 euro’s a month. For any other alternative amounts please contact any of the board members listed below. Direct debit form click here (http://traleedynamos.com/Tralee Dynamos direct debit form.pdf)



Contact: Colm Clifford General Manager at 087-2526212, Richard Wong Commercial Manager at 0867805544, Noel White 083-1165199, Jason Fitzgerald 087-7711430

Didn't copy the accompanying diagram, but to date 74 out of the required 400 "blocks" have been sold.



Been reading the following article from last Sunday's Indo:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/trusting-their-own-abilities-3038877.html

The 400 club formed at the beginning of the year, I take it that it's not a Trust?


Established clubs are better placed to form Trust's. Would there be any possibility of such a movement within Kerry for League of Ireland football to get off the ground. The powers that be at times, would they consider it?

[kerrysock]

Would there be any possibility of such a movement within Kerry for League of Ireland football to get off the ground. The powers that be at times, would they consider it?
If under the Kerry banner maybe, under the Dynamos banner...not a hope.

[legendz]

If under the Kerry banner maybe, under the Dynamos banner...not a hope.

So what do you think? Is the best way of LoI football getting off the ground in Kerry a 400 strong group of people with the same vision for Kerry soccer? While the odds for that in established regions is decent, it'd be tough to get off the ground in a new region. It would be fantabulous though. 400 people committing to a cause would really drive something on.

[culloty82]

Certainly given the number of clubs spread throughout the county, finding 400 people prepared to invest time and money in a LoI club should be feasible, but given that €200k is the reported benchmark, you'll need significant corporate support on top of that, perhaps a big sponsor like Fexco, Lee Strand, Jerry Kennelly, etc.

[legendz]

Certainly given the number of clubs spread throughout the county, finding 400 people prepared to invest time and money in a LoI club should be feasible, but given that €200k is the reported benchmark, you'll need significant corporate support on top of that, perhaps a big sponsor like Fexco, Lee Strand, Jerry Kennelly, etc.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/trusting-their-own-abilities-3038877.html

The nuances between them might vary slightly from club to club. Rovers, for instance, is a private company limited by the guarantee of the 470 members who pay €650 annually for the privilege. Cork City is a co-operative society which is more in line with the model promoted by Supporters Direct in the UK. The value systems underpinning them aren't substantially different, however. That is the crucial point.

The simple math not taking into account tax is €200k / 400 members = €500 per member. Is that unattainable? It would take that commitment.

[1dynamos]

I will pledge 2k to get the ball rolling...Go League of Ireland soccer for Kerry.....money where my mouth is lol................

[legendz]

That's enough for 4 members. 1% down, 99% to go!!!

[kerrysock]

The simple math not taking into account tax is €200k / 400 members = €500 per member. Is that unattainable? It would take that commitment.
No chance!, Dynamos were trying to start up a 400 club, anyone know how many members they got?
I cannot see them ever getting 400 people to sponsor 500 EUR a year!

[1dynamos]

Kerrysock is you match my offer we are closer again. Don't worry about the back stabbers. We could make it happen....

[Battery Rover]

Any truth in the rumours that they are to return to the Kerry League and withdraw from the Under 19s next season.

[culloty82]

Returning to the Kerry League, yes, but they want to continue in the U19 set-up after the relative success of this season.

[legendz]

Are they still looking at making an application to join the league next season? It's hard to take the league seriously when there's such little attempt to have the league connected more nationally.

[culloty82]

Dynamos have announced their withdrawal from the U19 League - seems a weird decision, as with the money saved by not playing First Division, expense can hardly be the reason.

[sadloserkid]

Suppose they don't see any point if there's nowhere for the players to go afterwards but back to local football. Sad to see but wouldn't blame them.

[legendz]

Can only imagine it's the reason outlined by sadloserkid. The Kerry League didn't bother with the League Cup this year either. Is this the end of the road as far as LoI aspirations?

[culloty82]

With Quinn and Guthrie among an increasing Kerry contingent at Limerick, a lot of Dynamos players could well join them if there is no progress next year, making the Shannonsiders the "local" LoI club by default?

[sadloserkid]

With Quinn and Guthrie among an increasing Kerry contingent at Limerick, a lot of Dynamos players could well join them if there is no progress next year, making the Shannonsiders the "local" LoI club by default?

Derek O'Brien too. Off the top of my head, over the last few years, Sean Kelly, Stephen O'Mahony, James Sugrue, Dave Conway, Stephen Conway, Timmy Lynch, Chris Kearns and one other striker whose name totally escapes me have also all travelled up to us at one time or another.

[legendz]

With Quinn and Guthrie among an increasing Kerry contingent at Limerick, a lot of Dynamos players could well join them if there is no progress next year, making the Shannonsiders the "local" LoI club by default?

I defo would not go supporting Cork in any way, shape or form whatsoever!

[citybone]

They would prob prefer to have a first team in the LOI and no u19 team as you would get a small income from a team in the LOI. The u19 would be just expense with no income

[culloty82]

Apparently so, as the official reason given for pulling out is that the rest of the year will be spent upgrading Cahermoneen for 2013 Licensing. Certainly, this year's First Division suggests Dynamos wouldn't have been disgraced on the pitch, but as ever, developing a reliable funding structure off the pitch over the next nine months will be essential.

[kerrysock]

From what I have heard (from a few club members), the club is going through a complete change in direction.
With a new chairman now put in place, i have been told that there is a more general consensus to try to re-establish Dynamos as a powerful junior club and start investing in club facilities.

This means pulling out all national leagues, which they have done with the u19s. It also means that a number of elements in the club who have pushed for LOI are going to now feel somewhat isolated. A clash with the members that think LOI is the best way forward is on the cards.

By the way Im all for this. Dynamos need to start investing in club infrastructure and forget expensive LOI ventures for the coming years. Kerry soccer needs a strong Tralee Dyanmos!

[legendz]

The members that want LoI football, while Dynamos through and through they are I don't doubt, could they work with the KDL to form a Kerry Dynamos entity to focus on bringing LoI football to Kerry?

[kerrysock]

The members that want LoI football, while Dynamos through and through they are I don't doubt, could they work with the KDL to form a Kerry Dynamos entity to focus on bringing LoI football to Kerry?
Would love to see that happen, however I don't think it will! KDL are against putting forward a LOI team at present (and for the forseeable future)

[culloty82]

Killarney Celtic also voted two to one against entering the U19 League, so either we'll see Kerry clubs eventually lifting the Junior Cup, or a drift to senior clubs will begin in earnest.

[legendz]

13/26 counties without a team. It's no wonder the league does not take up much of a national discussion. Naturally soccer is not GAA locked to counties and this tends to be viewed as GAA mentality, but you'd imagine for the growth of the game, the FAI would have a strategy to have about 75% of counties represented. You'd be talking about an additional 6 or 7 clubs.

[nigel-harps1954]

13/26 counties without a team. It's no wonder the league does not take up much of a national discussion. Naturally soccer is not GAA locked to counties and this tends to be viewed as GAA mentality, but you'd imagine for the growth of the game, the FAI would have a strategy to have about 75% of counties represented. You'd be talking about an additional 6 or 7 clubs.


You'd also be talking about taking a fanbase from an additional 6 or 7 clubs.

[kerrysock]

You'd also be talking about taking a fanbase from an additional 6 or 7 clubs.
Fanbase? What fanbase? - For example how many Kerry people would travel to Eircom league games to support Limerick/Cork on a weekly basis? - Pretty much nobody. Numbers attending most eircom league games are very low in any case.

[nigel-harps1954]

Fanbase? What fanbase? - For example how many Kerry people would travel to Eircom league games to support Limerick/Cork on a weekly basis? - Pretty much nobody. Numbers attending most eircom league games are very low in any case.


Considering there's no such thing as an Eircom league, I'm not surprised ;P

On the other hand, the point he made is not regarding Kerry, I'd love to see a Kerry team. It's the 26 county thing that would never work.

Take is this way, Galway, Sligo and Athlone cover most of Connaught for a support base. Sligo having north Mayo, and Galway having south Mayo. (Okay, Galway not currently in the league but they will return). Sligo also take support from South Donegal, and Leitrim.

In Ulster, Finn Harps look after Donegal, Tyrone and even as far as Fermanagh for those who don't follow the Irish League.
Derry take in the whole of Derry county, and Inishowen in North Donegal as well as even spreading into what would be Finn Harps territory of as far as Letterkenny/Lifford.
Monaghan have a relatively small support base, but at least Monaghan county is covered.

Leinster. Safe to say Dublin and Louth are covered. Drogheda and north Dublin teams would cover Meath.
Kildare was proven not to work, Kilkenny is a dead duck but would love to see them back.
Wexford Youths are still finding their feet, but are slowly growing and taking interest from the South East.
In the midlands you have Athlone and Longford covering that.

Munster. Safe to say again Cork and Waterford are covered. Very little argument elsewhere seeing as Limerick would also take in a good brunt of Clare support with close proximity to the border.



This leaves Kerry, Carlow, Laois, Tipperary, Offaly and Cavan.

Carlow and Kerry already had LOI bids turned down and I don't see the others happening. Aside from Cavan there's no argument for a football team in a big GAA area like Offaly, Tipp or Laois.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Just based on personal experience, having plenty of family in the county, very few Clare people care for Limerick FC.

[Dodge]

Just based on personal experience, having plenty of family in the county, very few Clare people care for Limerick FC.

Thats not ground breaking. Very few Limerick people care for Limerick FC.

[sadloserkid]

Most clubs probably do pull in a few oddballs from their hinterlands but it's utterly disengenuous to suggest that the trickle of people from Clare, Kerry and Tipperary who find their way to Jackman Park (for example) represent anything significant. Most Irish people don't care about football (unless it's on the telly). There isn't one club in the country who have anywhere near a decently sized, strong, captive audience be that local or otherwise.

On the Tralee/Kerry situation I'd have been surprised if they couldn't pull in a couple of hundred and in several cases in this league that has been enough to survive (eg Monaghan in particular, Mervue and Wexford more recently).

[gufc2000]

Carlow and Kerry already had LOI bids turned down and I don't see the others happening. Aside from Cavan there's no argument for a football team in a big GAA area like Offaly, Tipp or Laois.
I think Cavan would come in under the Monaghan Utd banner of support, both these counties have a joint district league don't they?

I wouldn't regard Offaly or Laois as major GAA areas, certainly not on the same level as Tipperary anyways. Offaly and Laois would be no different to Westmeath, Wexford and other counties. Tullamore and Portlaoise have shown tentative interest in the recent past. No reason why there couldn't be a team from Tipperary, perhaps Clonmel or somewhere. Always wondered why Kildare County, never really took off, a team out on the commuter belt, growing population out there, would've been an ideal area for a team

[sadloserkid]

Kildare looked like they'd take off for the first few years tbf but when they stopped pushing for promotion and became awful the crowds wilted fairly badly.

[Martinho II]

clonmel town would have more goin for it than when thurles town were in the loi thirty yrs ago! ollie cahill is from clonmel and they always do well in junior football!

[NeverFeltBetter]

I think Cavan would come in under the Monaghan Utd banner of support, both these counties have a joint district league don't they?

I wouldn't regard Offaly or Laois as major GAA areas, certainly not on the same level as Tipperary anyways. Offaly and Laois would be no different to Westmeath, Wexford and other counties. Tullamore and Portlaoise have shown tentative interest in the recent past. No reason why there couldn't be a team from Tipperary, perhaps Clonmel or somewhere. Always wondered why Kildare County, never really took off, a team out on the commuter belt, growing population out there, would've been an ideal area for a team

I would. Just because the county teams aren't up to much right now doesn't mean they have any less of a commitment to GAA then Tipp or Kerry. From my own observation, the local scene in Laois is very strong.

As for Kildare, well its a commuter area with a substantial population of people not from the area. I live in Maynooth currently and a lot of the population (outside of students) are Dubs or from outside Kildare. If they have an interest in LoI, they follow teams from their "real" home, while the native locals might bring themselves to see Lucan or Leixlip United in small numbers. I certainly couldn't see the support for an LoI team sprouting up around here.

[culloty82]

Sounds strange that Kildare wouldn't be a runner, even if they re-entered as Newbridge Town, can't see anything happening in Offaly, as Tullamore were fairly reluctant to go down the semi-pro route. Agree that the Clonmel clubs would be a high enough standard, but they seem content with junior football, so ultimately you're left with Kerry, Carlow and possibly a Mayo team in terms of potential newcomers. The major question is how far new clubs could progress up the First Division table, given they'd have to stay amateur the first few seasons to build up their facilities - the bar to avoid finishing last doesn't seem to high, but catching Athlone, Harps and Waterford would be a different matter.

[legendz]

This leaves Kerry, Carlow, Laois, Tipperary, Offaly and Cavan.


Carlow and Kerry already had LOI bids turned down and I don't see the others happening. Aside from Cavan there's no argument for a football team in a big GAA area like Offaly, Tipp or Laois.


I did say the the league could do with an extra 6 to 7. You're breakdown matches that in terms of numbers. The FAI should be looking at getting league clubs in these areas as a focal point for the development of the game. Alas, it is not looking to do it.


I wouldn't expect a 26 county thing to work but definitely having a higher percentage of the country with a league club. As mentioned before, there are areas where the nearest clubs is a good drive away. More local clubs are needed with the help of promotion from local radio and papers.

[kerryfan]

A local reporter wrote a few weeks back in the Kerry's Eye paper that Dynamos 1st team (A-Championship team) should not be allowed back in to Kerry Premier A next season as they do not deserve to be on merit and should be made work their way back up through the divisions??? I think thats a bit harsh considering they left to play in the LOI representing the town and county. It is also rumoured that the Kerry league have informed the club that Tralee Dynamos 1st team (A-Championship team) will now be playing in the 3rd division of kerry soccer next season. Can somone from the club confirm what KDL division the Tralee Dynamos 1st team will be playing in next year??

[kerrysock]

It is also rumoured that the Kerry league have informed the club that Tralee Dynamos 1st team (A-Championship team) will now be playing in the 3rd division of kerry soccer next season. Can somone from the club confirm what KDL division the Tralee Dynamos 1st team will be playing in next year??
I was talking to some members of the KDL, and some Dynamos players and they are all saying Dynamos will be playing in the third tier next year. However it is not harsh in my view. Why should Dynamos get into the premier instead of the team who finished 3rd in Premier B?

They will have to work up through the divisions again, its the only and fairest way!

[Mr A]

I think that's outrageous. Surely a way could be found to accommodate them in the top tier? When clubs move up from the Donegal or Inishowen leagues to the USL they are accommodated in the top tier again if they drop out of the intermediate league.

This and some of the comments on here make me suspect that there's an element of resenting Dynamos for getting above their station in the attitude towards them in Kerry.

[kerryfan]

You dont think its harsh?? Come on Kerrysock, sure they left to play in a national league against big LOI clubs and done very well. They also gave loads local players from Kerry the chance to play at a higher level and better themselves. Are you saying that they should be punished for this and be made work their way up through the Kerry league lower divisions because the FAI scrapped the A Championship?? As far as I remember Dynamos are always the top side in Kerry and nearly every year they win the league or finish runners up. When Dynamos and Kilarney Celtic played in the MSL we had the same problem and the Kerry league accomadated them both when they returned. What makes it soo different now?? Surely the Park or any other team would love to try and win a league when Dynamos are represented in the league cause lets face it, its not the same otherwise.

[culloty82]

All I've to say on the matter is that the current KDL team was the Dynamos "B" team before the "A" team went senior, so if the "A" team went into Premier A, it would just be restoring the old status quo with the Park, Castleisland, Killarney Celtic etc in terms of having two teams in the league. In any case, with Tralee Celtic having withdrawn last season, another team will have to be added to Premier A.

[kerrysock]

You dont think its harsh?? Come on Kerrysock, sure they left to play in a national league against big LOI clubs and done very well. They also gave loads local players from Kerry the chance to play at a higher level and better themselves. Are you saying that they should be punished for this and be made work their way up through the Kerry league lower divisions because the FAI scrapped the A Championship??
I do think its unfortunate but it is the only fair option in my view as the 3rd placed team in premier B has much more of a right to get promoted than Dynamos. Also, If Dynamos had not neglected their KDL team they wouldnt be in this predicament. Dynamos and the KDL have a very poor relationship - it was never going to happen.

By the way if I had my way Dynamos would be back in Premier A as we all want the best teams in the top division but it looks like its dead in the water now...

[culloty82]

Congrats to Paul White on signing for Cork as their Under-19 keeper - still only 17, a good season could well see him break into the senior squad.