Club or Country

[Bosco]

Just wonderin to myself which comes first in a fans life.I would have to say club and i presume most people wud to but i'm curious so....

[Xlex]

110% club....

no time for the over paid career merchants or ólé ólé celtic merchants...

[Shed End John]

Originally posted by Bosco
Just wonderin to myself which comes first in a fans life.I would have to say club and i presume most people wud to but i'm curious so....

Club by a short head. I do love going to Lansdowne Road and watching the boys in green on TV as well.

[Plastic Paddy]

Despite being a rabid Celtic fan, it's my country first, every time. I'm sure many other 2G would see it the same way.

:D PP

[Shed End John]

Originally posted by Plastic Paddy
Despite being a rabid Celtic fan, it's my country first, every time. I'm sure many other 2G would see it the same way.

:D PP

Then again Celtic aren't an Irish club.
:eek: Opening soon at a forum near you..............MAJOR can of worms.:D
Will give Celtic a right shout against Bayern tonight, though, especially given what's at stake for them.

[WeAreRovers]

Club, club, club all the way. As a great Hoop once said, "I'd rather see Rovers win a corner than Ireland win the World Cup" Simple as that!

KOH

[Shed End John]

Originally posted by WeAreRovers
Club, club, club all the way. As a great Hoop once said, "I'd rather see Rovers win a corner than Ireland win the World Cup" Simple as that!


Like that's any way intelligent.
Naturally, we're all going to feel THAT bit closer to our club because being from Cork, Dublin or wherever we see our club as being THE representative of our city, town or region. However, it's hardly fair to discount/forget the huge part that international football (the Country) has played in ALL our lives over the past 15 years or so. It is in fact something I could NEVER see myself doing, which is why I'll cheer Ireland on as well as my beloved City.

[ccfcgirl]

i would have to say club first

[WeAreRovers]

Originally posted by Shed End John
Like that's any way intelligent.


What's that supposed to mean? Shamrock Rovers give me a sense of belonging and have done for all my life whereas Ireland and the legions of muppets who follow them mean nothing to me. It's a matter of opinion and damn all to do with intelligence.

I've had similar conversations with other football fans who accused me of being unpatriotic but they soon shut up when I asked them did they follow the Irish cricket/badminton/tiddlywinks teams.

KOH

[ger121]

Club for me. For the week to week action there is nothing better. However I do enjoy going to lansdowne to see Ireland play.

[TheRealRovers]

Club
I agree with WE Are Shams on this one. Rovers give me a sense of belonging more then going to lansdowne Rd to see Ireland play

[WeAreRovers]

Originally posted by TheRealRovers
Club
I agree with WE Are Shams on this one.

Only a fan of the other SRFC would get away with that. :)

KOH

[TheRealRovers]

Originally posted by WeAreRovers
Only a fan of the other SRFC would get away with that. :)

KOH
;)

[Bosco]

Originally posted by Shed End John
Then again Celtic aren't an Irish club.
:eek: Opening soon at a forum near you..............MAJOR can of worms.:D
Lets not start this again but yes you would be expected to support your country over a foreign team

[Beavis]

Like the 2G irish,I don't feel I belong to any particular part of Ireland,but Ireland as a whole becos the oul pair are from Waterford and Kildare,so it's natural to just feel irish.

Maybe it's different if all your roots are in a particular region then maybe you feel more apart of that than of the country as a whole.

However,the players of a club will move if a more lucrative offer is available to them but your countries players are their for the duration of their playing career.

[Dodge]

Club. Yeah I'd celebrate if Ireland won the world cup but I don't get depressed after each loss.

Pats on the other hand control my life...

[Plastic Paddy]

Originally posted by Shed End John
Then again Celtic aren't an Irish club.
:eek: Opening soon at a forum near you..............MAJOR can of worms.:D


Then again I don't support an eL club. :eek: I've tried games at the Showgrounds, Terryland Park and St. Mel's Park (all being local to various branches of my family in Ireland) but - although enjoying each - came away unscathed by attachment.

As for the can of worms you mention, John? The lid can stay on - I haven't seen Silvio in these parts for weeks, and he's the one with the can opener. ;)

:D PP

[liamon]

Originally posted by Beavis
the players of a club will move ... but your countries players are their for the duration of their playing career.

For the duration of their playing careers? Gary kelly, Dean Kiely, Roy, Shearer, etc.? But that's another can of worms.

Anyway, for me, it's club football by a mile. Then again, I'm not particularly patriotic.

[pete]

Club.

Hard to get too worked up about 4-5 International games a year compared with 40 odd club games.

[James]

Originally posted by Dodge
Club. Yeah I'd celebrate if Ireland won the world cup but I don't get depressed after each loss.

Pats on the other hand control my life...

exactly (oh god agreeing with a dub!!)
when ireland lost in switzerland it was like fcuk it anyway no euro championships.. for a few days..
but city losing the league cup final to SPA kids .. still hurts, and i wasnt even at the match :ball:

[Dodge]

Originally posted by James
but city losing the league cup final to SPA kids .. still hurts, and i wasnt even at the match :ball:
Jesus, you'll be totally fücking depressed when I tell it was only the Semi final...:)

[James]

schit yea SPA v longford in that final also
felt like a cup final though i'll bet with all the atmosphere from the SEI :)

[Rebel Bhoy]

I guess the FAI realise that many people will chose club over country and are trying to create a club like atmosphere at Lansdowne with the section dedicated to eL fans. Personally I have to go with my club. As others have said on here, their club is a better representation of who you are than the national side. The Irish teams display in Switzerland left me numb. I didn't care any more because it seemed that the players didn't either. Following Celtic I can honestly say that I have never felt like that....in the post Viduka era anyway

[Dodge]

Originally posted by James
schit yea SPA v longford in that final also
felt like a cup final though i'll bet with all the atmosphere from the SEI :)
Yeah we always make a big effort for the U21s...

[Seanie]

Originally posted by Dodge
Club. Yeah I'd celebrate if Ireland won the world cup but I don't get depressed after each loss.

Same here

[Dodge]

Originally posted by Conor74
For me it's country before club. No big patriotic thing - I have as little interest in seeing Ireland win a rugby match as I have in seeing Munster win one.
Could be because they don't represent your area.

Everytime Pats fans sing about Inchicore my pride swells (settle down all you schoolkids...) Everytime a news report takes about celebrations in mcDowells, the same thing. I think it also helps being so close to the players. Having a drink with one of your idols definitely beats the TV stars from the national team

[Coltron]

Its country for me, if one of the drogs got the the call (any minute now) I think Id be happier watchin him play for Ireland than agianst another eL (yes, safe atlast) team. I think that if we were more successfull internationally the tide might turn.

[Dodge]

Conor, you talk too much... :)

Its natural for Cork City fans from Cork to have more affinity with the team than Kerry people, just like Man U fans from Manchester... In no way am I saying you're not a proper Cork fan, just that on this point of club v country, its natural tha locals have more of an emotional attachment to their local club side...

If an eL team was set up in your local Kerry town and became moderately succesful, would you start supporting them? Just wondering

[Rebel Bhoy]

Then I suppose Dodge you are getting into the whole argument about changing clubs. If the whole thing about Wimbledon going to Dublin had come to fruition, then would folk from Dublin have stopped supporting their respective eL clubs, or indeed Man Utd, Liverpool, etc because they would be a 'Dublin club'? I am not so sure they would have.
I hope not to change the focus of this discussion away from club Vs country too much but I was born are reared in North London but have always followed Celtic my reasoning is that Celtic are a club that represent (to me) the Irish diaspora of which I am a part far more than Tottenham or Arsenal ever could, even in spite of the large numbers of immigrant support that these two clubs attract.

[Robinski]

Club for me. Nothing like going to matches week in week out and supporting the team.

I love Lansdowne too but it has to be Club first.

[Dodge]

Originally posted by Rebel Bhoy
Then I suppose Dodge you are getting into the whole argument about changing clubs. If the whole thing about Wimbledon going to Dublin had come to fruition, then would folk from Dublin have stopped supporting their respective eL clubs, or indeed Man Utd, Liverpool, etc because they would be a 'Dublin club'? I am not so sure they would have.

There's no way they would have... but then thats bringing something into an area where football already exists. Not the same as in Conor's case...

[Rebel Bhoy]

I guess you are right but there is still the whol thing of changing allegiances. I'm a bit uncomfortable with that. Did you hear about the two brothers, one supported Man Utd and the other Man City. The City fan needed a bone marrow transplant and the brother was a match. he would only give it up if the city fan subscribed to MUTV and pledged allegiance to United!!

[Plastic Paddy]

Originally posted by Rebel Bhoy
I hope not to change the focus of this discussion away from club Vs country too much but I was born are reared in North London but have always followed Celtic my reasoning is that Celtic are a club that represent (to me) the Irish diaspora of which I am a part far more than Tottenham or Arsenal ever could, even in spite of the large numbers of immigrant support that these two clubs attract.

Bang on. Couldn't have put it better myself... hold on, are you me in disguise? :D

:D PP

[pete]

I think a lot of european countriers have people who travel to International games & then club supporters. Holland & to a lesser extent maybe Italy are good examples. It doesn't mean the two don't meet but people tend to be one or the other...

[Dodge]

Originally posted by Conor74
and just hope to God that the circles in which they move are sufficiently removed from the professional team you follow so that your loyalties will not be tested.
OFF TOPIC but did anyone see that Seinfeld episode where George tries to stop his "worlds colliding" Probably my favourite..

Honest answer Conor. Myself I was born within 3 minutes of Richmond Park so I had no choice.

[WeAreRovers]

Originally posted by Dodge
OFF TOPIC but did anyone see that Seinfeld episode where George tries to stop his "worlds colliding" Probably my favourite..
.

"You're killing independent George!" Classic. Although "Serenity Now!" might just be my favourite. Seinfeld - the greatest sitcom ever, no contest!

KOH

[pete]

Originally posted by WeAreRovers
"You're killing independent George!" Classic. Although "Serenity Now!" might just be my favourite. Seinfeld - the greatest sitcom ever, no contest!
KOH

Whats the episode where George tries to leave meetings on a high? Course theres alos the 2 part JFK-esque "back & to the left" episode which not seen in long time...

Check out 'curb your enthuasism' on TG4 just before midnight wednesdays if ya miss Seinfeld. Best show on tv now! :D

[Enda M]

it has to be the club