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micls
27/01/2009, 10:59 AM
exactly - deal was done in early 80's Funny how some on this site seem to make out it was a recent deal of some sorts. .

:confused: Where?

passerrby
27/01/2009, 12:41 PM
You're a funny guy :D :D :D

did you hear the one about the only club refused a prem licence 2008 due to its playing surface and then had to replace same surface to obtain a licence for the 2009 season who came on to this thread complaining about other grounds pitches. stones and glasshouses my son

Jersey Cow
27/01/2009, 2:15 PM
Giller to take over Drogs managerial role?!!??

Celdrog
27/01/2009, 3:39 PM
Irrelevant. The FAI own the ground, even though there are conditions attachedExactly - just as the bank own everyone's home.:rolleyes:

Louth4sam
27/01/2009, 4:19 PM
did you hear the one about the only club refused a prem licence 2008 due to its playing surface and then had to replace same surface to obtain a licence for the 2009 season who came on to this thread complaining about other grounds pitches. stones and glasshouses my son

If the same tests that were applied to our pitch were applied to Monaghan's cabbage patch i'm sure it would have failed to. Your pitch is an absolute disgrace. Bumpy and overgrown is an understatement.

micls
27/01/2009, 4:25 PM
Exactly - just as the bank own everyone's home.:rolleyes:

Em no.....

Im sure you know full well the difference but in just in case.

In a mortgage, a bank loans you money. You use the money yo buy a house. You owe the bank money. Of course if you don't pay, the bank can go after your assets i.e. the house.

In your situation, you sold your ground to the FAI. Yes there were conditions, the fact that it would only be sold to help you buy a new stadium.

Its quite simple, if you owned United Park you probably wouldnt be in examinership. You'd have it as an asset that can keep you alive.

Your club might go to the wall on Thursday because you dont own United Park.

But if you wanna believe differently work away

shelbourne1904
27/01/2009, 4:56 PM
Has it struck anyone as kindof odd that the government has had no input into this at all.Here we have an industry that employs people who pay their taxes,or are supposed to anyway,in difficulty.If jobs go the taxes will be lost and labour will have to be paid out.Why are they not involved in some supportive manour as they would in any other industry.Ironic that it is they who are the major threatening debtors in the Drogs case.
I havent even mentioned the fact that if the league was finacially supported the anual leaue winners might be able to compete in Europe and would maybe fill the empty hotel rooms when the visiting teams come to play in the champions league.In other countries its called tourism income?
Buit I suppose we dont need the money that other countries relish.Ours has to be bringing Americans to castles.Money is Money no matter what the scvource??

John83
27/01/2009, 5:05 PM
The government has much bigger problems than the league right now.

A face
27/01/2009, 7:30 PM
The government has much bigger problems than the league right now.

Exactly, they are prepared to let SMEs go belly up even when they are trying to keep up with a thriving demand, not having ring fenced any money to help support them.

John83
27/01/2009, 7:41 PM
Exactly, they are prepared to let SMEs go belly up even when they are trying to keep up with a thriving demand, not having ring fenced any money to help support them.
That and they might bankrupt the country with whole the banking thing. Y'know, trivial stuff like that.

Celdrog
27/01/2009, 9:26 PM
In your situation, you sold your ground to the FAI. Yes there were conditions, the fact that it would only be sold to help you buy a new stadium.
Keep believing Micls - why don't you ask Paul Doolin - he knows

micls
27/01/2009, 10:17 PM
Keep believing Micls - why don't you ask Paul Doolin - he knows

Keep believing what? It doesnt make a tap of difference to me either way.

Im simply looking at the facts. You cant sell the ground to save your club because you dont own it. If you owned it you could.

Simple really....

A face
28/01/2009, 9:31 AM
Keep believing Micls - why don't you ask Paul Doolin - he knows

Maybe its you who needs to keep believing Celdrog, heres a little song to help you ...

P_0h5CpNkoQ

dcfcsteve
28/01/2009, 10:07 AM
Has it struck anyone as kindof odd that the government has had no input into this at all.Here we have an industry that employs people who pay their taxes,or are supposed to anyway,in difficulty.If jobs go the taxes will be lost and labour will have to be paid out.Why are they not involved in some supportive manour as they would in any other industry.Ironic that it is they who are the major threatening debtors in the Drogs case.
I havent even mentioned the fact that if the league was finacially supported the anual leaue winners might be able to compete in Europe and would maybe fill the empty hotel rooms when the visiting teams come to play in the champions league.In other countries its called tourism income?
Buit I suppose we dont need the money that other countries relish.Ours has to be bringing Americans to castles.Money is Money no matter what the scvource??


Even if the government had the slightest interest in helping the league out - which they don't - there wouldn't be an ounce of public sympathy for bailing out a league that most of the country at best ignore, and at worse look down on, that has got into trouble not through any change in market conditions or due to the credit crunch - but purely and solely because it can't run itself anything close to sensibly.

I wouldn't even support a government bail out for an industry like that.

pineapple stu
28/01/2009, 10:12 AM
Exactly, they are prepared to let SMEs go belly up even when they are trying to keep up with a thriving demand
Clubs are trying to keep up with thriving demand? Come on. Even for you, that's ridiculous.

A face
28/01/2009, 10:49 AM
Clubs are trying to keep up with thriving demand? Come on. Even for you, that's ridiculous.

You're doing that thing again ... twisting the words. It works most of the time for ya Stu ;)

pineapple stu
28/01/2009, 10:55 AM
No, I quoted you word for word. There's no club in this league beating customers away with a stick. There's no club in this league "trying to keep up with a thriving demand".

Jersey Cow
28/01/2009, 11:03 AM
I agree with Pineapple Stu, youre talking DUNG "AFACE"....
And as for your Celdrog, I am right behind you kid as every genuine fan is also that the Drogs come out and I for one "BELIEVE" they will as well as keep their Premier Division status!

A face
28/01/2009, 11:09 AM
No, I quoted you word for word. There's no club in this league beating customers away with a stick. There's no club in this league "trying to keep up with a thriving demand".

Stu, i didn't mean to imply that any club was in that position. I was commenting on the inaction of the government to assist SMEs in the business community (not football clubs).

A face
28/01/2009, 11:17 AM
The government has much bigger problems than the league right now.

To which i said .... Exactly and then supporting the notion that they couldn't give a toss about the league


Exactly, they are prepared to let SMEs go belly up even when they are trying to keep up with a thriving demand, not having ring fenced any money to help support them.


And as for your Celdrog, I am right behind you kid as every genuine fan is also that the Drogs come out and I for one "BELIEVE" they will as well as keep their Premier Division status!

I would be too, but i hope your not confusing the debate of Drogs owning or not owning their ground (how many posts was there on it?) with me wishing Drogs well in court/examinership/licensing/etc. .... especially since what our club has gone through recently. Dont even try and presume that i wouldn't wish them well.

pineapple stu
28/01/2009, 11:37 AM
Stu, i didn't mean to imply that any club was in that position. I was commenting on the inaction of the government to assist SMEs in the business community (not football clubs).
Fair enough. Putting it in a thread about football clubs kind of implies that the SMEs you were talking about were football clubs.

I don't think any business in the country is struggling to meet thriving demand either, mind.

A face
28/01/2009, 11:41 AM
Fair enough. Putting it in a thread about football clubs kind of implies that the SMEs you were talking about were football clubs.

I know, i should have read over it before posting, i'll always doing it though :o


I don't think any business in the country is struggling to meet thriving demand either, mind.

I would have thought so as well but we're wrong apparently. A few businesses that need to expand with demand cant because the cant secure funds from banks or government.

micls
28/01/2009, 12:30 PM
And as for your Celdrog, I am right behind you kid as every genuine fan is also that the Drogs come out and I for one "BELIEVE" they will as well as keep their Premier Division status!

You've lost me...the discussion was about if they own United park or not :confused:

Scrufil
28/01/2009, 8:12 PM
What is an SME?

KianD
28/01/2009, 10:31 PM
What is an SME?

Small to Medium Enterprise.

Northern Light
28/01/2009, 11:01 PM
Kinda like Finn Harps so:p

Billy Lord
28/01/2009, 11:02 PM
Even if the government had the slightest interest in helping the league out - which they don't - there wouldn't be an ounce of public sympathy for bailing out a league that most of the country at best ignore, and at worse look down on, that has got into trouble not through any change in market conditions or due to the credit crunch - but purely and solely because it can't run itself anything close to sensibly.

I wouldn't even support a government bail out for an industry like that.

I agree, because the government and the public have, historically, every right to pour nothing but bottomless scorn on the LoI. How about LoI clubs deciding to run themselves efficiently and then looking for financial support in order to progress once they have realistic and attainable development plans? Surely that's not too much to ask?
It's at least a more dignified form of begging.

Duffman
28/01/2009, 11:28 PM
Untrue to say that no one complained about Monaghans pitch in the past, Gareth Cronin certainly did last season. Back on topic though Oriel would be the obvious place for DUFC to rent, how their fans would take to playing in a "bouncy castle" would be interesting. Would Morton Stadium not be more accessible to DUFC? Possibly closer as well than Oriel.

Celdrog
29/01/2009, 4:19 AM
I think you'll find the closest ground for us to play in next season is United Park. All will revealed in the next few days ............

wexfordned
29/01/2009, 10:02 AM
I think you'll find the closest ground for us to play in next season is United Park. All will revealed in the next few days ............

If Drogs get to play premier division football in that kip next season & with the same board of directors we might as well put Borat in charge of FAI licencing

Mr A
29/01/2009, 10:04 AM
Their court hearing is going well according to posts on Drogs forum. Looks like they will survive.

Dodge
29/01/2009, 10:21 AM
Their court hearing is going well according to posts on Drogs forum. Looks like they will survive.
I doubt anyone is celebrating yet. Fingers crossed for them though

Ash
29/01/2009, 10:52 AM
Ruled in favour of Drogs according to their messageboard

pineapple stu
29/01/2009, 10:54 AM
Was on their messageboard during the week that their proposed budget for 2009 was cut from E500k to E250k. I assume that was what the judge was looking for last week when she adjourned.

Have the Revenue had their say yet? Can't imagine they're too happy with this continuing to happen in the current climate.

Mr A
29/01/2009, 11:00 AM
Revenue did not object. Very strange.

micls
29/01/2009, 11:01 AM
Revenue did not object. Very strange.

Yeah I thought the same. They must just not like us given that Drogs owed them more...

Congrats lads, its a great feeling.

Dodge
29/01/2009, 11:05 AM
I'd assume have revenue have got the idea that clubs simply can't give them anymore. PLus it'll look bad to see Revenue actively wanting companies to close down...

Good news for Drogheda, lets hope they sort themselves out

Jersey Cow
29/01/2009, 11:06 AM
Delighted for the Drogs, hopefully a harsh lesson learned!

pineapple stu
29/01/2009, 11:10 AM
Good news for Drogheda, lets hope they sort themselves out


+1
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carrickharp
29/01/2009, 11:14 AM
Glad to hear you survied Drogs.

micls
29/01/2009, 11:17 AM
Hoey saying they are a premier division club for next year.

Presume that means they ahve sorted united Park or somewhere else to play?

iceman
29/01/2009, 11:20 AM
Revenue adopted a neutral stance. Had to be pressed by the judge if they were objecting. They replied with one word - ...No.

shep
29/01/2009, 11:27 AM
Delighted for you,and for Vincent Hoey,regardless of what people think of the way things went,Vincent is a true fan who has pumped personal money in for years,i have had the fortune to know him through work for the last 7 years.Congratulations...Now for the premier licence and the return of the Louth derby!!!

garyderry
29/01/2009, 12:26 PM
Revenue adopted a neutral stance. Had to be pressed by the judge if they were objecting. They replied with one word - ...No.

were will you guys be playing next season?

Buile Shuibhne
29/01/2009, 12:27 PM
Some questions:

Media reports say that Drogs had debts of over 700k, but that supporters/the club fundraised over 300k?

How much of the 300k is hard cash in the bank and how much is based on 'pledges'?

How much is being paid out to creditors including the Revenue?

IIRC the playing are getting 90k now, with more to come further down the road? Have the players actually been paid the 90K now - or in the next couple of days before Jan 31st deadline?

What's the total amount of the write-off after all creditors' settlements are totted-up?

pete
29/01/2009, 12:36 PM
Have the Drogs Directors resigned yet?

Dodge
29/01/2009, 12:37 PM
All questioned will be answered in tomorrow's papers as the court preceedngs aren't in camera.

or at lest the details of previous clubs have been published (ROvers, Cork)

charliesboots
29/01/2009, 12:37 PM
Some questions:

Media reports say that Drogs had debts of over 700k, but that supporters/the club fundraised over 300k?

How much of the 300k is hard cash in the bank and how much is based on 'pledges'?

How much is being paid out to creditors including the Revenue?

IIRC the playing are getting 90k now, with more to come further down the road? Have the players actually been paid the 90K now - or in the next couple of days before Jan 31st deadline?

What's the total amount of the write-off after all creditors' settlements are totted-up?

Get yourself down to the High Court central office and bespeak the file Fintan

manic da hoop
29/01/2009, 12:40 PM
Media reports say that Drogs had debts of over 700k, but that supporters/the club fundraised over 300k?

How much of the 300k is hard cash in the bank and how much is based on 'pledges'?

How much is being paid out to creditors including the Revenue?

The Examiner's fees alone would be close enough to that figure, if the Rovers settlement is anything to go by.

SeanDrog
29/01/2009, 12:45 PM
Some questions:

Media reports say that Drogs had debts of over 700k, but that supporters/the club fundraised over 300k?

How much of the 300k is hard cash in the bank and how much is based on 'pledges'?

How much is being paid out to creditors including the Revenue?

IIRC the playing are getting 90k now, with more to come further down the road? Have the players actually been paid the 90K now - or in the next couple of days before Jan 31st deadline?

What's the total amount of the write-off after all creditors' settlements are totted-up?

Oh great endless nit picking on its way. Aren't we in for treat.

Dorgs enter examinership and judge is satisifed with efforts etc and allows them out of examininership, creditors all agree to terms and life goes on - all legal and as per due process.

But hey this is Ireland there has to be some detail in there to moan about - conspiracy, conspiracy I tell ya ....