List of Givens record as under 21 coach

[bwagner]

Guys does anyone have list a list of the games he has had so far ??

[DeLorean]

I took a sconse but couldn't find anything. That FAI website is brutal, surely that kind of information should be available there.

[Closed Account]

Soccerscene.ie has a list of results

http://soccerscene.ie/ss21/matches.php

I think Sean McCaffrey may have managed a couple of games during Givens tenure.

[back of the net]

We get it, nobody likes Don Givens. There doesn't need to be a weekly bitch-fest about it. :rolleyes:

he asked for a list not a stupid comment

[Stuttgart88]

The stats mightn't prove anything. At one stage they were on a record unbeaten run of 12 or 13 games when the likes of Elliott and Paddy McCarthy were in the team. Since that run ended we've been brutal though.

[A face]

Can it easily be said that he is the worst U21 manager in the history of Irish football? I think it could be but i wouldn't want to do the guy an injustice. A list of his record would make interesting reading.

[Razors left peg]

Can it easily be said that he is the worst U21 manager in the history of Irish football? I think it could be but i wouldn't want to do the guy an injustice. A list of his record would make interesting reading.

I dont think Maurice Setters had a great record as a U21 manager either. It doesnt seem to be a job that the FAI take seriously. I would love us to employ an up and coming young manager that has ambitions to one day be the senior manager, something like England have done with Stuart Pearse. Someone like Kenny Cunningham if he had ambitions to be a manager would be ideal in my opinion

[tetsujin1979]

Jason McAteer is doing his coaching badges...
I'm just saying, is all...

[A face]

It doesnt seem to be a job that the FAI take seriously.

Agreed, giving the job to Givens first day and then leaving him in the position when Ireland and his mother could see he was brutal are two reasons that confirm that point as well. Just a job for the boys it seems.


Jason McAteer is doing his coaching badges...
I'm just saying, is all...

:p

[eirebhoy]

If he had us controlling games like the 2 against England last year then I wouldn't care too much about results. It's the rubbish performances like the one in Montenegro that's the problem.

[Junior]

Jason McAteer is doing his coaching badges...
I'm just saying, is all...


Jason and Roy - Dream Team??

[A face]

If he had us controlling games like the 2 against England last year then I wouldn't care too much about results. It's the rubbish performances like the one in Montenegro that's the problem.

The guy is a complete and utter disaster and adds nothing to the game. Its pure and simple 'a job for one of the boys'. We are cursed that he even went near the job.

[bwagner]

NIce of him to leave out Scott Davies is doing great stuff at Aldershot ( 8 goals )

[chimpster]

NIce of him to leave out Scott Davies is doing great stuff at Aldershot ( 8 goals )

Scott Davies has been called into the U21 squad and travelled to Cork today (not sure who he has replaced). Hope he gets a run, he's a class player.

[John83]

I dont think Maurice Setters had a great record as a U21 manager either. It doesnt seem to be a job that the FAI take seriously. I would love us to employ an up and coming young manager that has ambitions to one day be the senior manager, something like England have done with Stuart Pearse. Someone like Kenny Cunningham if he had ambitions to be a manager would be ideal in my opinion
I hear Steve Staunton is unemployed at the moment.

[Razors left peg]

I hear Steve Staunton is unemployed at the moment.

wouldnt it have been better to test him out as u21 manager first rather than making the Seniors his first job in management

[John83]

wouldnt it have been better to test him out as u21 manager first rather than making the Seniors his first job in management
If they'd thought about that route, they'd probably have promoted Don Givens to the senior job at the time. Count your blessings. ;)

[Razors left peg]

If they'd thought about that route, they'd probably have promoted Don Givens to the senior job at the time. Count your blessings. ;)

Point taken:D:D

[Razors left peg]

I just got a text from a mate saying that Don Givens has told Keith Treacy that he will never play for him again. Im out of the country and I cant find anything online about it so just wondering what the source is and what the reasons are? How many young players does this fella have to fall out with before the FAI realise he is a dinosaur and cant deal with young lads today

[the doc]

I just got a text from a mate saying that Don Givens has told Keith Treacy that he will never play for him again. Im out of the country and I cant find anything online about it so just wondering what the source is and what the reasons are? How many young players does this fella have to fall out with before the FAI realise he is a dinosaur and cant deal with young lads today

Here Here!

Theres a few players in the Championship sufering because of similar uncalled for vendettas.

When will this idiot realise that it's the players clubs who don't allow or want their players to play in certain game and at key stages of the season.

He's becoming a law unto himself! :mad:

[the doc]

If they'd thought about that route, they'd probably have promoted Don Givens to the senior job at the time. Count your blessings. ;)

Thought they already had!

[Paddy Garcia]

I just got a text from a mate saying that Don Givens has told Keith Treacy that he will never play for him again. Im out of the country and I cant find anything online about it so just wondering what the source is and what the reasons are? How many young players does this fella have to fall out with before the FAI realise he is a dinosaur and cant deal with young lads today

Givens strikes again....

http://www.eleven-a-side.com/acrossthewater/news.asp?n=36221

[Drumcondra 69er]

Givens strikes again....

http://www.eleven-a-side.com/acrossthewater/news.asp?n=36221

The man is clearly an arse, how he's still in a job is utterly beyond me.

Treacy told the Irish Daily Star: “There were crossed wires somewhere along the line and I’ve been made out here as a bad boy. I rang Don when the squad for [February’s] Germany game came out and apologised about the whole situation.

“That wasn’t good enough for him – he told me he’d never play in his team again and put the phone down on me.

“I’m finding this very hard to take. Playing for my country means everything for me and I’ve been doing it since I was 14.”

[carloz]

So thats Tracey, McCann, Stokes, Ireland.
Im sure there is more. Maybe its actually Givens that has the problem and not all these youngsters. His man management is a bloody shambles and that alone should be a sackable offence. Im not even going to go into his results.

[irishfan86]

The guy sounds like a nutcase.

[the doc]

So thats Tracey, McCann, Stokes, Ireland.
Im sure there is more. Maybe its actually Givens that has the problem and not all these youngsters. His man management is a bloody shambles and that alone should be a sackable offence. Im not even going to go into his results.

Add St Ledger to that list too!

[Irish_Praha]

So thats Tracey, McCann, Stokes, Ireland.
Im sure there is more. Maybe its actually Givens that has the problem and not all these youngsters. His man management is a bloody shambles and that alone should be a sackable offence. Im not even going to go into his results.

There was also such a "misunderstanding" with David Connolly when Givens was caretaker boss after McCarthy left (against Greece i think). So he hasn't just had problems with the youngsters. Connolly would have been about 25 then.

Come to think of it that was 6 and a half years ago. Is he going to be U-21 boss until his retirement?:eek:
He's 59 now so another 6 years of this sh!te?

I just had a look at his career on his wiki page and you would have to say that it looked like a good appointment at the time, with his Arsenal youth academy experience, but he has been anything but good over the last 8 to 9 years.

[Razors left peg]

Givens strikes again....

http://www.eleven-a-side.com/acrossthewater/news.asp?n=36221

Ah for Christ sake that is beyond a joke. The mans jobs to develope young players in this country and he seems to be better at just alienating them.It really is a serious situation and it needs to stop

[irishfan86]

It's really too bad that Ireland playing legends like Stan and Givens have ruined their reputations by being horrible managers- I just wish Stan had admitted that he wasn't up to it after the bad start, or that Givens would have walked away by now.

The U-21 team is a springboard for the senior team, and its importance should not be underestimated.

[bwagner]

Ritchie Foran to back in the day

[seanfhear]

Don Givens would cause a riot in a creche ! !

[Blue-Army]

So thats Tracey, McCann, Stokes, Ireland.
Im sure there is more. Maybe its actually Givens that has the problem and not all these youngsters. His man management is a bloody shambles and that alone should be a sackable offence. Im not even going to go into his results.
He's gonna live off of tonights result for the next 2 years!

[tetsujin1979]

Was flicking between this and the Munster - Warriors game tonight.
Atrocious conditions, but still a good (if slightly undeserved) win over a technically sound Spanish side. The result is slightly more impressive considering the players that were missing - McCarthy, Treacy(sigh), Scannell, and I'm pretty sure Stokes is still eligible.
The opening goal from O'Shea was extremely fortunate, the Spanish keeper punched clear the ball from a free kick. Unfortunately it hit the defender standing in front of him and O'Shea hit it with his knee to force the ball home. The second goal was far superior, with O'Shea involved again. The West Ham target beat 2 men on the near side, before chipping the full back to release the speedy Sheridan. A quick, low cross from the Celtic striker was dummied by Garvan for Judge to smash home, for a two goal cushion.
The Spanish got one back from a cleared corner, a long shot into a crowded area rebounded to their striker who finished from close range, despite calls for offside.
It could have been more, as Garvan had a shot from the half way line that only just cleared the crossbar. A bizarre own goal was narrowly averted for the Spanish when, following a save low down from the keeper, the full back decided to hammer the ball back to him only for the Spanish number one to react and clear the ball with an outstretched leg.
Waterford's Eddie Nolan got the home town decision for the MOTM, although I thought O'Shea was the other main candidate.
A fine win, and sets the group of players up for Tuesday's qualifer with the Turks.

[Blue-Army]

Waterford's Eddie Nolan got the home town decision for the MOTM, although I thought O'Shea was the other main candidate.
He was definately MOTM! He had a great game. O'Shea was good in flashes too though.
There were scouts there from Chelsea, West Ham and Man Utd (Fergie's brother)....all looking at O'Shea afaik.

[tricky_colour]

Didn't Don Givern have a bust up with one Stephen Ireland?

[tetsujin1979]

Fair enough, like I said, I was flicking between it and the Munster game, just everything positive seemed to go through O'Shea. Nolan was definitely far superior to his partner in central defence, Dennehy.
Didn't think much of Meyler or Gleeson either tbh, both gave away possession needlessly a few times.

[Maroon 7]

He was definately MOTM! He had a great game. O'Shea was good in flashes too though.
There were scouts there from Chelsea, West Ham and Man Utd (Fergie's brother)....all looking at O'Shea afaik.

Aye I don't think he'll be at Galway United after this Summer although you never know. We should get a decent price for him though hopefully.

[Irish_Praha]

Didn't Don Givern have a bust up with one Stephen Ireland?

Not exactly. Again as caretaker boss for a friendly against Brazil Givens was asked about Ireland and he said he wouldn't pick him because it was up to him to make the first move.

[Blue-Army]

Didn't Don Givern have a bust up with one Stephen Ireland?
Think that was Brian Kerr...

[tetsujin1979]

Givens didn't have a bust up with him, but when he picked the squad for the Brazil game he said he wouldn't pick Ireland unless he contacted Givens first.

[Crosby87]

So why is this guy still in charge then? Why does he have a position? Instead of taking anonymous swipes why dont you people do something about it? Money talks, and emails to the FIA. Come on now.

[SkStu]

if he sent an email to the FIA he'd be making a grand pix of himself.

[seanfhear]

Think that was Brian Kerr...
No it was Don Givens in a Brian Kerr face mask because he just could not fall out with enough young Irish footballers in his own skin at that particular time !

[Stuttgart88]

I see Givens has had a falling out with Keith Treacy now (or is this old news?). He was quoted in papers as saying that there are now no big egos in the squad. There are now no players with a fair bit of Premiership experience either. I could easily pick an XI of introverted people with little self regard. I expect they'd be pretty shyte though.

[Stuttgart88]

http://www.examiner.ie/sport/ididkfaugb/

Givens brands pundit Dunphy a ‘clown’
By John Riordan

DON GIVENS yesterday branded Eamon Dunphy a "clown" for the pundit’s charge that his period in charge of the Irish U-21s has been "disastrous and he should be shown the door".

Givens is preparing for what he regards as his side’s biggest game in years as the U-21 European Championship qualifying campaign kicks off this evening in Turner’s Cross with Group Two top seeds Turkey the visitors.

Shamrock Rovers defender Ian Bermingham was called in to the squad yesterday morning and drafted straight in at left back following the forced withdrawals of Seamus Coleman (ankle) and Michael Liddle (groin). Other than that change, Givens has kept faith with the team that defeated Spain 2-1 at the RSC on Friday.

"Any time you manage to beat one of the big nations is very satisfying for all of us but especially the lads," said Givens yesterday. "Following on from the German performance, it was very good, so I’m delighted.

"Turkey are going to be fairly similar to Spain. Not the biggest physically, but very quick, technical players. We coped well in Waterford and I’m hoping for a similar performance.

"There might not be as much individual talent as with past groups but as a group, they’re great to work with. In the past, we might have had three or four really strong players.

"Now it’s a hard job to pick 18 if everyone is fit. I wouldn’t say that out of this group, with the exception of Eddie Nolan, that there would be anyone ready to step up. Maybe we’ll get to keep this group together for a little while so it will be an advantage for us in that way."

Much to the chagrin of Dunphy, Blackburn midfielder Keith Treacy remains out in the cold as a result of not showing up for the 3-0 friendly victory in Lithuania last October.

While the player himself has suggested that "mixed wires" led to his no-show, Givens has stood firm over his refusal to bring him back to the fold. Dunphy, in his newspaper column, said it "beggars belief" that Givens is still at the helm accusing the FAI of handing the former international a "job for life".

"I wouldn’t respond to any criticisms from Eamon Dunphy. I would respond to criticism from what I would call proper football people.

"For instance, if Johnny Giles had written that article, I’d have a bit more respect (for it) and had a bit more thought about it. But not that other clown who says things to be controversial, he’s made a living out of it.

"He picked it up from the paper the day before which was total crap anyway. The Keith Treacy thing was all lies. Eamon’s just jumped on it and run with it again.

It wouldn’t upset me in the slightest what he says because sometimes he says it to spark up a little bit. It might upset me if someone like Gilesy said it. But not Eamon," he concluded.

Meanwhile, centre forward Alan Judge will go into tonight’s game relieved by his first goal in a green shirt, the strike which turned out to be the winner against Spain.

"It was brilliant to get a goal finally," he said. "Jay O’Shea showed great feet, Cillian (Sheridan) sent a great ball in and once I saw (Owen) Garvan in front of me, I knew he’d listen. It took a lifetime for the ball to come to me.

"(The pitch) wasn’t in the best of condition. You could see it all night people were having trouble when the ball was coming at them. With the amount of time I had especially, it could have taken a bounce either way. I was very grateful that I managed to get the ball in the net."

Ireland team v Turkey: S Redmond (Eastwood Town); B Moloney (Notts Forest), E Nolan (Preston, capt), D Dennehy (Hereford), Ian Bermingham (Shamrock Rovers); S Gleeson (MK Dons), O’Garvan (Ipswich Town), D Meyler (Sunderland); A Judge (Plymouth Argyle), J O’Shea (Galway), C Sheridan (Motherwell).

[cheifo]

Is the Turkey game on live anywhere?