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Our season is going to pieces before our very eyes.
We do not deserve 3rd spot the way we are playing.
We were total toilet last night and I don't care what excuse Dolan gives us in todays Echo , that level of performance is unacceptable by players wearing the Cork City colours.
His team selection isn't doing thses players much favours either but they are under performing on top of it.
According to some on this Forum George cannot be criticised.
He was rubbish last night. :eek:
Now he wasn't alone there of course.
Kevin Murray was worse and shouldn't be playing centre midfield.
John O'Flynn should not have come on last night, he didn't look up to it and was hobbling at the end, hope there is no damage done.
I hope Hoggie was injured and not dropped as he has been one of our most consistant performers this season.
Why has Dolan signed these Nigerians if he is not going to give them a game ?
We have not won a home game since August 22nd, Dolan needs to get the finger out, lose the excuses and start getting some results, fast.
Hard to disagree with any of that.
Ozymandias
05/11/2003, 9:29 AM
I agree totally..It is now to easy for teams to get a result at the cross.....
ccfc till i die
05/11/2003, 10:08 AM
Denis Behan and Kevin Murray were an absolute disgrace to the city jersey last night. Why Dolan rates Murray so highly is a mystery to everyone, he did his usual disappearing act last night and what little he did, he did wrong,
tiktok
05/11/2003, 10:09 AM
i thought last night was one of K Murray's better games, but he's a central defender at heart so a midfield of him and Conor is not going to be creative. It's not his fault if the manager keeps picking him while it's obvious to the rest of us that he's not quite ready yet, why he's not being developed from the bench is beyond me, especially with Benno available.
If hoggy was injured where the hell is alan carey, isn't he our right back cover? Flynn shouldn't have been expectd to put an hour in when he was clearly nowhere near full fitness.
Kearney should have come off instead of O'Grady (bringing nwanko on), I'm a big fan of liams but he was clearly fading with twenty minutes to go last night and a pair of fresh legs running on that wing could have yielded a goal.
only players to come out with any credit were woods and Behan IMO.
patsh
05/11/2003, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by tiktok
only players to come out with any credit were woods and Behan IMO.
Behan is simply not up to it.
Woods played well, thought Greg put in a major effort, Georgie did a lot of ball winning, but was poor otherwise, Dan steady, the rest..........:(
Thought Behan did very well when he came on last night.
It was an atrocious team performance.
If we dont win against Shams friday its all over id say. Im sure the lads will raise their games anyway. If they cant, well that will be a shame.
Gawd last nite was grim. Think it was the worsty City performance
ive seen this season. Really they were all sh!te. Doyle was worse, Kearney is lightweight, Flynny was far from fit and shouldnt have played for an hour IMO. As for the midfield that started?? Awful.
That said I thought we improved when Behan came on up front
and George dropped deep. We played with a little bit of
guile then and I think with Flynny on the way to match fitness things can only improve.
BTW Im totally sick of Devine dawdling over the kick/throw outs. He just seems incapable of making going for the quick option.
Anyway roll on Friday....hopefully things will get better
brendan
Éanna
05/11/2003, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by tiktok
only players to come out with any credit were woods and Behan IMO. :confused:
Woods was having a duel with Coughlan to see who could play worse. The two of them were brutal. kearney had an off day and Kevin Murray just simply should not be playing centre mid. I feel sorry for him, but people are gonna start turning on him very soon unless dolan does the sensible thing and drops him. How he can justify playing coughlan or K murray ahead of benno I don't know. Coughlan must be the worst signing we've made since we brought hartigan back- why the hell did dolan have to sign him. Woods just doesn't look interested any more- he should be released asap
Originally posted by Éanna
:confused:
Woods was having a duel with Coughlan to see who could play worse. The two of them were brutal. kearney had an off day and Kevin Murray just simply should not be playing centre mid. I feel sorry for him, but people are gonna start turning on him very soon unless dolan does the sensible thing and drops him. How he can justify playing coughlan or K murray ahead of benno I don't know. Coughlan must be the worst signing we've made since we brought hartigan back- why the hell did dolan have to sign him. Woods just doesn't look interested any more- he should be released asap
Woah there Éanna, a bit OTT. Derek is good at certain aspects like heading crusemisiles out of the sky. I'd have him on the bench but to say he's like Hartigol is a bit much.
Billy Woods tends to go through good and bad form, he had been playing very well until recently at left back.
I'd agree with what you say about Benno and Kevin Murray.
liamon
05/11/2003, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by BOF
That said I thought we improved when Behan came on ........BTW Im totally sick of Devine dawdling over the kick/throw outs. He just seems incapable of making going for the quick option.
I thought Behan player reasonably well when he came on. He's young and will need to develop a bit, but he did ok.
Likewise K. Murray, though Benno is clearly a far better player.
Our super keeper was bloody slow to come off his line and collect the ball last night as well. And he looked uncomfortable when Longford whipped in crosses. Super keeper. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by liamon
Our super keeper was bloody slow to come off his line and collect the ball last night as well. And he looked uncomfortable when Longford whipped in crosses. Super keeper. :rolleyes:
Yes, superkeeper, its just his distribution is cráp. I wouldnt swap him for anyone in the league.
tiktok
05/11/2003, 3:44 PM
Originally posted by Gary
his distribution is cráp. I wouldnt swap him for anyone in the league.
how about a keeper who's as good and who's distribution isn't crap........Connor, Williams, Adamson.
I'm a fan of Devine, and i think he does a good job, but he's one of the best in the league, not THE best.
He was away in dreamland for most of last night as well, on at least three occasions D Murray had to clear ball that should have been Keepers.
Originally posted by tiktok
how about a keeper who's as good and who's distribution isn't crap........Connor, Williams, Adamson.
Adamson has the worse distribution of any keeper in the league, I'd say EVEN Pats fans would admit that.
Originally posted by razor
According to some on this Forum George cannot be criticised.
He was rubbish last night.
Fair enough George didn't have one of his better games last night but to say he was rubbish is bang out of order. He still tried his heart out as he always does and out of all the players on the pitch last night he looked like he wanted to win it the most.
Originally posted by SÓCcfc
Woah there Éanna, a bit OTT. Derek is good at certain aspects like heading crusemisiles out of the sky. I'd have him on the bench but to say he's like Hartigol is a bit much.
Billy Woods tends to go through good and bad form, he had been playing very well until recently at left back.
I'd agree with what you say about Benno and Kevin Murray.
Explain to me so, what the point was in signing him? IMO, you should only sign players that are better than what you have, or who have the potential to be better. Derek is not better than Dan, or Benno, Mickey Buckley looks better in the U21's too. He won't improve, in fact I think he's a shadow of the player he was 5 or 6 years ago. So why sign him?! Pointless.
As for Woods. His good games usually consist of him deciding he will run with the ball and having a few decent shots on goal. His bad games consist of him wandering around in his own penalty area totally out of position, leaving his man unmarked, getting in the way of his fellow defenders, trying to kill wingers, falling on his arse and hoofing the ball straight to the nearest opponent. And he has more bad games than good. Another player who might do a job on the bench, but no way is he the left back for a league-winning side.
Originally posted by liamon
I thought Behan player reasonably well when he came on. He's young and will need to develop a bit, but he did ok.
Likewise K. Murray, though Benno is clearly a far better player.
Our super keeper was bloody slow to come off his line and collect the ball last night as well. And he looked uncomfortable when Longford whipped in crosses. Super keeper. :rolleyes:
Agree with you about Behan, Murray just isn't a midfielder- full stop. As for Devine, I think he's been excellent. he had a few dodgy moments last night, but everyone does sometimes. When was the last time he cost us a goal?
I mentioned about Billy Woods ages back and got slated on here for it.I do not think he is good enough to be playing left back.Maybe cover on the wing but not in defence...
Even though at first i was happy to see Derek back i am now changing my mind.Its true we should never bring in players that are not better than what we got here and unfortunately he isnt.Alan Bennett was doing well in there and Derek has looked awkward and slow and very prone to mistakes since his return.
Kevin Murrays situation is strange.Bennett on the bench and has a lot more experience that playing Murray out of position and out of his debt in the centre.Isnt it important to make sure we get into Europe?
Whats going on with these Nigerians?Are they not good enough?If not get rid of them and stop wasting the clubs money and bring in a proper central midfielder.Something we have needed since Reynolds left:confused:
Originally posted by razor
Our season is going to pieces before our very eyes.
We do not deserve 3rd spot the way we are playing.
We were total toilet last night and I don't care what excuse Dolan gives us in todays Echo , that level of performance is unacceptable by players wearing the Cork City colours.
His team selection isn't doing thses players much favours either but they are under performing on top of it.
According to some on this Forum George cannot be criticised.
He was rubbish last night. :eek:
Now he wasn't alone there of course.
Kevin Murray was worse and shouldn't be playing centre midfield.
John O'Flynn should not have come on last night, he didn't look up to it and was hobbling at the end, hope there is no damage done.
I hope Hoggie was injured and not dropped as he has been one of our most consistant performers this season.
Why has Dolan signed these Nigerians if he is not going to give them a game ?
We have not won a home game since August 22nd, Dolan needs to get the finger out, lose the excuses and start getting some results, fast.
It's funny the way the "fans" at the back left of the Shed are only ever heard when things are going bad. Moaning ****s.
littlehops
05/11/2003, 9:03 PM
Originally posted by Neil
It's funny the way the "fans" at the back left of the Shed are only ever heard when things are going bad. Moaning ****s.
Did I miss a major change in Irish society or is free speech banned?
Are people investing time, money and hope in their local football team not entitled to get upset when a bunch of players they know have ability and potential are underperforming?
If you're happy with the way the season is going, fair play to you. But other people aren't happy. They've as much entitlement to express their opinions as anybody else.
Dunno if I should add some crass name-calling here with words starred out, but, hey, sure aren't you entitled to your opinion too?
Neil...i have to admit i am surprised with your post.It does not really matter whether people agree with comments or not but its about fans giving there opinion on club matters.Of course people are unhappy with whats going on at the moment.City are not playing to well but i am sure things will change soon.But still ALL FANS are entitled to there opinion of the club,manager or the players.Its only fair isnt it?I have met you before and you are a sound guy, but i hope you see that we are all City fans whatever is said.We can complain on this forum but i can tell you we will all be right behind the team at every game we attend.I am sure we will make Europe and then some of us can come on here and complain that we did not beat AC Milan or whoever by 10 clear goals....:)
Originally posted by Neil
It's funny the way the "fans" at the back left of the Shed are only ever heard when things are going bad. Moaning ****s.
Very Harsh Neil, Very Harsh.
Where I stand in the Shed is irrelevant you can usually hear me every game, ;)
whether it be good or bad, I pay my money and speak my mind.
I give credit where its due and am totally entitled to give out when things are bad.
Granted some of my pals in the Shed may be a tad more cynical than myself but everyone is entitled to their say.
I presume by putting the word "fans" in inverted commas its a mark of respect for those older & wiser members.
We'll put it down to a bad day in the office.
:o
Éanna
06/11/2003, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by RedX
I mentioned about Billy Woods ages back and got slated on here for it.I do not think he is good enough to be playing left back.Maybe cover on the wing but not in defence...
Even though at first i was happy to see Derek back i am now changing my mind.Its true we should never bring in players that are not better than what we got here and unfortunately he isnt.Alan Bennett was doing well in there and Derek has looked awkward and slow and very prone to mistakes since his return.
Kevin Murrays situation is strange.Bennett on the bench and has a lot more experience that playing Murray out of position and out of his debt in the centre.Isnt it important to make sure we get into Europe?
Whats going on with these Nigerians?Are they not good enough?If not get rid of them and stop wasting the clubs money and bring in a proper central midfielder.Something we have needed since Reynolds left:confused:
Spot on. As for the nigerians, I think they're gonna need a while- new country, new style of football, new everything really, they have to settle first.
As for what Neil said, I agree 100%. There's a certain group in that corner of the Shed who you never hear being positive. The only time they open their mouths is to bitch and whine. I know people have a right to their opinion, but I wish they'd give some credit when its due as well.
niamh
06/11/2003, 10:11 AM
Derek is a good player but like every player has his strengths and weaknesses. Everyone has a bad performance and suddenly it was wrong to sign him again??
I don't think so. Derek's return has made the squad stronger. We need Bennett in midfield where neither Derek or Dan can play.
That's what I thought would happen but for some reason, i just didn't think of Kevin Murray! :rolleyes:
Dodge
06/11/2003, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by SÓCcfc
Adamson has the worse distribution of any keeper in the league, I'd say EVEN Pats fans would admit that.
Terrible. he's still the best keeper in the league though.
thecorner
06/11/2003, 10:19 AM
every club seems to think they have the best keeper in the league
Dodge
06/11/2003, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by thecorner
every club seems to think they have the best keeper in the league
No, most think pats have (http://foot.ie/t10803.htm)
razor
06/11/2003, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by Éanna
but I wish they'd give some credit when its due as well.
I'm sure Pat Kelly is saying exactly the same thing.
;)
Éanna
06/11/2003, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by razor
I'm sure Pat Kelly is saying exactly the same thing.
;)
LOL :D Touché :) In fairness, I did say nice things about his little boy after the cup final :cool:
razor
06/11/2003, 10:46 AM
I should hope so, after he getting his hilites done specially and everything.
;)
Originally posted by niamh
Derek is a good player but like every player has his strengths and weaknesses. Everyone has a bad performance and suddenly it was wrong to sign him again??
Piffle. he isnt a good player, no where near good enough to play in a team with European aspirations. The guy weakens our team. he is ok in the air, no better or no worse than Murray/Bennett/Napier/Deccie Daly. His distribution is woeful, his tracking is shít.
Yes, id have him in the squad, but not a first team regular. Has he played a good game since coming back? Ill think you'll find that the answer to that is NO!
liamon
06/11/2003, 12:38 PM
Dunno bout that Gary,
Did he play well in any game since he came back?
He played well on his very first game back.
I think Derek is a lot stronger in the air than any of our other defenders.
But he is slow and can't pass the ball at all.
Benno might be a better option.
Originally posted by Gary
Piffle. he isnt a good player, no where near good enough to play in a team with European aspirations.
The guy weakens our team. he is ok in the air, no better or no worse than Murray/Bennett/Napier/Deccie Daly. His distribution is woeful, his tracking is shít.
Yes, id have him in the squad, but not a first team regular. Has he played a good game since coming back? Ill think you'll find that the answer to that is NO!
City are hardly playing like a team with European aspirations.
You'd prefer to see Daly back?? Napier is gone. Bennett is needed in midfield, where he came from btw.
His debut V Rovers. Did alrite against UCD until he was sent off. I haven't seen any recent games.
Originally posted by razor
Granted some of my pals in the Shed may be a tad more cynical than myself but everyone is entitled to their say.
True. But it's pathetic to hear "Dolan OUT"'s and booing of the players off the pitch after a bad result (and admittedly a poor display). Ever player out there gives 100% (we've long since got rid of people like Hartigan) and booing them off the pitch does no-one any good. The thing is if ye are really that upset with things at the moment yeshould be booing the players and shouting Dolan Out every game, not just after the poor results.
Redx, point taken, and I agree we're all entitled to our opinion. Only a few games left - lets get behins the team and..... See ya in Estonia or somewhere next summer!:cool:
A face
06/11/2003, 6:06 PM
Originally posted by Neil
True. But it's pathetic to hear "Dolan OUT"'s and booing of the players off the pitch after a bad result (and admittedly a poor display). Ever player out there gives 100% (we've long since got rid of people like Hartigan) and booing them off the pitch does no-one any good. The thing is if ye are really that upset with things at the moment yeshould be booing the players and shouting Dolan Out every game, not just after the poor results
A point well made .... Razor, you have to admit.
thecorner
06/11/2003, 6:15 PM
Originally posted by Gary
no better or no worse than Deccie Daly
this is a joke right
waiting for the punchline
:rolleyes:
Originally posted by Gary
Piffle. he isnt a good player, no where near good enough to play in a team with European aspirations. The guy weakens our team. he is ok in the air, no better or no worse than Murray/Bennett/Napier/Deccie Daly. His distribution is woeful, his tracking is shít.
Yes, id have him in the squad, but not a first team regular. Has he played a good game since coming back? Ill think you'll find that the answer to that is NO!
Have YOU ever anything good to say??? :o :p
Hello Pot, my name is Kettle. Im very pleased to meet you!
:rolleyes: :p :o
Originally posted by Neil
True. But it's pathetic to hear "Dolan OUT"'s and booing of the players off the pitch after a bad result (and admittedly a poor display). Every player out there gives 100% (we've long since got rid of people like Hartigan) and booing them off the pitch does no-one any good.
I don't have anything to do with the Dolan Out stuff, I believe in giving the man a chance, (even if he does turn out to be a bluffer)
My issue is that I don't believe some players are giving 100% and the only way that we have as fans of letting them and Dolan know we are not happy is vocally. If I think they've given their all then I'll let them know that too. It works both ways.
Ironically enough speaking of Hartigan, I saw him play at centre half for Avondale last Saturday and he was brilliant. Up front never really suited him but he looks so comfortable at the back.
He went to the back a few times for City though didn't he? Def once anyway towards the end of a game. I think Hartigan up front was trying to copy the Quinn/Cascarino tactic Ireland had. The problem was City had no Aldridge or Robbie Keane.
thecorner
08/11/2003, 2:22 AM
Originally posted by razor
Ironically enough speaking of Hartigan, I saw him play at centre half for Avondale last Saturday and he was brilliant. Up front never really suited him but he looks so comfortable at the back.
big differnce between msl and loi
he started as a centreback with City and I don't think anyone ever had a problem with him playing there. I think he first played up front in the Intertot against Liege, where he had a fine game too, but over time I think it became apparent that he wasn't really suited to the position though he did get on the scoresheet a bit
Originally posted by Gary
Piffle. he isnt a good player, no where near good enough to play in a team with European aspirations. The guy weakens our team. he is ok in the air, no better or no worse than Murray/Bennett/Napier/Deccie Daly. His distribution is woeful, his tracking is shít.
Yes, id have him in the squad, but not a first team regular. Has he played a good game since coming back? Ill think you'll find that the answer to that is NO!
agreed. I think at best he deserves a place on the bench. he has made dan murray a worse player IMO.
as for what razor said, it was evident again on friday. I have no problem with people being upset at a perceived lack of effort or whatever, I've done it myself. My problem with some of those people is that you never hear them when things are good. They only open their mouths to say negative things. Thats what annoys me
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