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bigmac
25/11/2008, 10:10 AM
By Emmet Malone in the Irish Times Nov 25th.



ON SOCCER: WHILE MOST of us who attended Sunday's FAI Cup final are gradually defrosting, the country's 22 senior clubs will be bracing themselves this week for a prolonged financial chill that may extend well beyond the winter break.

The economic downturn combined with the failure of the league as a whole to stay on course for its long-term growth targets has hit pretty much every club with many now looking at implementing budget cuts for next season.

The problems at individual clubs have been widely reported but Sunday's cup final went a fair way towards summing up the league's broader predicament. The quality of the game between Bohemians and Derry City at the RDS provided further evidence of the extent to which the "product" has improved in recent years but the fact just 10,281 ventured out to see what was arguably the most attractive pairing possible contest the final highlighted the problem of dwindling attendances.

The FAI continue to claim crowds jumped significantly last year and held steady over the course of this season but it's difficult to find a club director who will privately endorse the official line.

Then there is the assertion that about a third of the league's clubs are profitable. In fact, FAI chief executive John Delaney admitted last week some that make substantial trading losses are being counted as profitable as long as somebody makes good the deficit by the end of the financial year. It had to be pointed out to him the norm elsewhere - he brought up Chelsea which is a good case in point - is simply to consider the club to be loss making.

Delaney has also said recently he sees the league as being able to sustain no more than three or four fully professional teams, a major step back from when he was hailing the growing number of clubs going full-time at the start of this season as a sign of the real progress being made under the association's stewardship.

Consistency, though, is not exactly the leadership's long suit. Over the weekend, league director Fran Gavin was quoted as insisting "wage difficulties are not unique to the League of Ireland", before going on to insist "everybody running a business", is experiencing problems just now, it's just the papers make so much fuss over those encountered by clubs.

Setting aside for a moment the fact somewhere short of half of businesses generally have at some stage failed to pay, or still owe substantial back money to their employees, it's interesting to note back when he was head of the players' union, Gavin once observed being a professional footballer in Ireland is "about as insecure a livelihood as anyone could have".

His major change of role has, of course, required Gavin to look at things from a different angle. However, it still stands out that when dismissing out of hand a major initiative like the attempt to launch an All Ireland league by a credible third party this year, he observed that as "salary cost is the single biggest issue facing the League of Ireland", any proposal that "fails to mention the matter, let along tackle the problem, cannot be taken seriously".

In September 2005, on the other hand, when reacting to the initial proposal by Genesis a salary cap be introduced the then PFAI chairman said, "I have to laugh because the people proposing a wage cap are never the ones who are going to be affected by it".

None of which is to suggest in any way that Gavin and Delaney don't desperately want the league to prosper. Rather, it is to contend that their determination to stick to what is widely perceived an overly positive line is chipping away at their credibility, both amongst clubs and the wider public.

Over the coming weeks beleaguered club officials are going to be looking for reassurance from the pair that they can deliver a good deal more next year than repeated assurances that the problems currently being experienced are merely the inevitable upshot of a period of transition.

Sure, wage costs may be about to be addressed as 80 per cent of players find themselves out of contract and clubs take the opportunity to revise their spending downwards but if that, as many feel it inevitably will, has a negative impact on the quality of play, then crowds will be harder than ever to attract to games.

As it is, examples of the scale of the problem, both real and perceived, are everywhere. The well resourced highlights programme everybody had been crying out for all those years has, for instance, been attracting just 40,000 viewers in recent weeks. Despite narrowly missing out on promotion, Shelbourne's biggest single night's income this year came not from their largest league attendance against Limerick last Friday week but rather, by quite some distance, from their cut of the gate for a game between Liverpool and Manchester United "legends" staged at Tolka Park.

And now, in the first year of the trumpeted "pyramid system" Mervue United are pondering whether to accept the place in the league they have earned by beating Kildare County. Who could blame them? The fact is it's a chilly world out there for League of Ireland clubs just now and the FAI are increasingly perceived to be preoccupied with telling everyone how much colder it would be if it weren't for them.

Dodge
25/11/2008, 10:20 AM
"Credible" third party indeed.

The thinking behind their credibility is as flawed as any moves made by any clubs this year

bigmac
25/11/2008, 10:24 AM
"Credible" third party indeed.

The thinking behind their credibility is as flawed as any moves made by any clubs this year

Agreed - I think Malone was just using them as an example of Gavin's U-turn on salaries though. Can't remember him being overly enthusiastic about the proposals earlier in the year, though I'm open to correction.

Dodge
25/11/2008, 10:28 AM
Agreed - I think Malone was just using them as an example of Gavin's U-turn on salaries though. Can't remember him being overly enthusiastic about the proposals earlier in the year, though I'm open to correction.

Not sure about earlier in the year but he mentioned them on the radio a couple of weeks ago (Drivetime thing with Des Cahill, Fran Gavin and Stephen McGuinness)

blackholesun
25/11/2008, 10:32 AM
Pity most hacks cant write an article about the league without overdoing the doom and gloom or having a dig at the FAI or spining for an AIL!

Anyone blaiming the FAI for the leagues current problems is an idiot!

bhs

Billy-Green
25/11/2008, 11:13 AM
Any news on who is goina be the league sponsor next year?

pete
25/11/2008, 11:14 AM
I have found my opinion of the FAI League changing over the last few months. Clearly the clubs are a lot to blame themselves but also i think the FAI leadership has been very poor. Delaney can only be blamed but his comments indicating because someone puts millions into clubs that they be deemed profitable is stupid. IMO Fran Gavin is not doing a good job & his appearance on MNS last night was not very reassuring - he does not inspire confidence.

redalan
25/11/2008, 11:44 AM
i think the FAI are concerned only with Landsdowne Road and the the Ireland Senior Team. there is no concerted effort to talk up the League.

holidaysong
25/11/2008, 2:19 PM
Any news on who is goina be the league sponsor next year?

There won't be a title sponsor.

John83
25/11/2008, 2:39 PM
IMO Fran Gavin is not doing a good job & his appearance on MNS last night was not very reassuring - he does not inspire confidence.
Whatever his administrative skills*, Gavin isn't a good with the media. He's a hesitant speaker and looks uncomfortable when questioned.

*I'm not implying anything either way - just not making a judgement on them here.

Straightstory
25/11/2008, 5:17 PM
Another problem of course is the miniscule coverage given to the League by newspapers like the Irish Times, which gave as many column inches last Saturday to an interview with an obscure camogie player as they did to a preview of the Cup Final. Rather ironic I feel.

dcfcsteve
25/11/2008, 5:45 PM
Whatever his administrative skills*, Gavin isn't a good with the media. He's a hesitant speaker and looks uncomfortable when questioned.

*I'm not implying anything either way - just not making a judgement on them here.

I haven't seen enough of Gavin on TV to comment on his media skills.

However, one point Malone makes which is right is to do with the fact Gavin is a 'poacher turned gamekeeper'.

He is now publically promoting policies that only a few years ago he was publically lampooning.

This totally undermines the credibility of himself and the points he is making.

TonyD
25/11/2008, 8:35 PM
Another problem of course is the miniscule coverage given to the League by newspapers like the Irish Times, which gave as many column inches last Saturday to an interview with an obscure camogie player as they did to a preview of the Cup Final. Rather ironic I feel.

Indeed. If they used up half as much space to write about games and players as they do giving endless run downs of the problems with the league then it might just be a start.

WoodquayBoy
25/11/2008, 8:45 PM
And the Times gives a ridiculous amount of page space to some guy to write about Sunderland every week. Crazy.
As for the FAI not being the bad guys, did anyone see any promotion by them of the KildarevMervue playoff? Exactly. They slightly care about the Premier Division but couldn't give a damn about the First Division

Kingdom
26/11/2008, 11:37 AM
I find EM's articles quite balanced to be honest, and for the space he is given I think he usually makes the most of it.

gufct
26/11/2008, 11:39 AM
I thought the Artle was good too. The league is one step away from ICU lads and anyone who thinks differently including the FAI are not living in the real world.

tiktok
26/11/2008, 11:42 AM
I find EM's articles quite balanced to be honest, and for the space he is given I think he usually makes the most of it.

Agreed. Malone's one of the better writers on the league, it's not his fault that it's been one of the worst years we've ever put down, it's not like the doom and gloom is something he's making up.

I think he's well off the mark with his repeated plugging of the All Ireland Platinum One proposal though.

MariborKev
26/11/2008, 12:28 PM
I think he's well off the mark with his repeated plugging of the All Ireland Platinum One proposal though.

I agree to an extent, but surely it is a natural kick back to ridiculous good news spin which appears to be eminating from Abbotstown?

We lurch from crisis to disaster and like Baldrick the FAI have a "cunning plan". It used to be licensing, or the wage cap. This time we relying on the financial downturn to bring the game into line. The flawed thinking is that yes, players will get paid less, but less people will be going to games.

As I posted a few weeks ago, when you still have Delaney claiming that eight clubs will be profitable, then it is obvious that reality hasn't set in.

I've never been more pessimistic about the future of the League here.

pineapple stu
26/11/2008, 12:36 PM
I agree to an extent, but surely it is a natural kick back to ridiculous good news spin which appears to be eminating from Abbotstown?
Agree with your comments on the FAI and the future of the league (as I've said before, I can see it going back 15-20 years), but I don't think that's justification to bring up Platinum One again. Their plans were clearly nonsense and I think are best completely forgotten about and ignored. I don't think it serves any purpose suggesting that maybe we missed a great chance or something.

Dodge
26/11/2008, 12:49 PM
As I posted a few weeks ago, when you still have Delaney claiming that eight clubs will be profitable, then it is obvious that reality hasn't set in

In fairness what they say in public doesn't always equate to what they're doing behind closed doors.

IMO it'd be far, far worse if Delaney or gavin came out with...
I've never been more pessimistic about the future of the League here.

WoodquayBoy
26/11/2008, 12:53 PM
I'm not having a go at Malonel one of the best writers on soccer in the country, but at the IT for the coverage it gives the league compared to the coverage it gives that boil on the ars.e of Irish soccer, SundIRELand, as they are branding themselves

Lim till i die
26/11/2008, 1:24 PM
I'm not having a go at Malonel one of the best writers on soccer in the country, but at the IT for the coverage it gives the league compared to the coverage it gives that boil on the ars.e of Irish soccer, SundIRELand, as they are branding themselves

It's a newspaper, not some charity loi promotional sheet.

There are more people in Cork interested in Sunderland then there are people in Ireland interested in the League of Ireland.

That's not the Irish Times fault.

tiktok
26/11/2008, 1:54 PM
It's a newspaper, not some charity loi promotional sheet.

There are more people in Cork interested in Sunderland then there are people in Ireland interested in the League of Ireland.

That's not the Irish Times fault.

Maybe, but it's not a charity sunderland promotional sheet either.

I doubt that the Sunderland column adds anything to the IT circulation numbers and interest manifests itself in a number of ways. I'm interested in Sunderland in that I can hardly wait for it to blow up in their mockya Oirish faces, I hope they're in the Blue Square League within five years with Niall Quinn and Roy Keane participating in 'I'm a celebrity...get me out of here'. After getting a nation to swallow his theory that Sunderland is a home from home for Irish people, he'd have the neccessary skills to swallow kangaroo testicles I'd say.

Lim till i die
26/11/2008, 1:58 PM
Maybe, but it's not a charity sunderland promotional sheet either.

I doubt that the Sunderland column adds anything to the IT circulation numbers

Why is it there then??

I'll bet you it's not because the Irish Times hates the League of Ireland.

tiktok
26/11/2008, 2:03 PM
Why is it there then??

I'll bet you it's not because the Irish Times hates the League of Ireland.

I'd say it is, everyone knows that Geraldine Kennedy had her heart broken by Roddy Collins back in the 80's, Kevin Myers only got the boot when he came out of the closet as a UCD fan.

I just don't see anybody, regardless of how much they've bought into Quinn's spiel going out and specifically buying the Irish Times just to read a column on Sunderland. The sad thing is that a huge number of newspapers give a disproportionate amount of coverage to the mackems, I feel sorry for their "fans" who will be starved of news after Keane leaves.

pete
26/11/2008, 2:48 PM
I'm interested in Sunderland in that I can hardly wait for it to blow up in their mockya Oirish faces, I hope they're in the Blue Square League within five years with Niall Quinn and Roy Keane participating in 'I'm a celebrity...get me out of here'..

Maybe the LOI had real interest like that we could get more exposure in the media.

I also check Sunderland results to see them lose.

WoodquayBoy
26/11/2008, 3:33 PM
In the 'new' civil war in 2002 I was in the Keane camp. I hope he lands on his hole and brings Sunderland with him. I never said the IT was a promo sheet for the LOI, but maybe if the media gave more exposure to our own league than one inhabited by petulant millionaires who nearly crash their carsover 'only' being offered €40k a week, then more people here would be interested in a league which has give the world the likes of Paul McGrath, Ronnie Whelan, Keane and, more recently, Kevin Doyle, to list just four examples

pineapple stu
26/11/2008, 3:52 PM
Kevin Myers only got the boot when he came out of the closet as a UCD fan.
Take that back!!! :p

Martinho II
26/11/2008, 7:17 PM
[QUOTE=tiktok;1065987]I'd say it is, everyone knows that Geraldine Kennedy had her heart broken by Roddy Collins back in the 80's, Kevin Myers only got QUOTE]

im not familiar with this story.. can you elaborate further about Geraldline Kennedy and Roddy Collins???:confused:

John83
26/11/2008, 7:21 PM
I'd say it is, everyone knows that Geraldine Kennedy had her heart broken by Roddy Collins back in the 80's, Kevin Myers only got

im not familiar with this story.. can you elaborate further about Geraldline Kennedy and Roddy Collins???:confused:
Rule 34 suggests there's probably some slash porn about it on the internet. I dare you to find it.

hedderman
26/11/2008, 7:26 PM
Rule 34 suggests there's probably some slash porn about it on the internet. I dare you to find it.

Scary thought. Something tells me that tiktok was jokin. If anyone finds a video where Roddy says "I had her in England" then that'd be proof.