BNP member list leaked

[shantykelly]

as per lionel. this attitude seems to be still prevalent - most of the foreigners i work with (who are admittedly at the lower end of the financial and education lists) are shocking in their right wing conservatism and anti-semitism.

[shakermaker1982]

you would be surprised

i remember reading that Nick Griffin often took holidays in Kerry?

And many BNP members appear to have strong Irish links - but from what I can see they seem to think of Ireland as part of the great white Great Britain - just that we haven't come around to that idea yet - a bit like what we think of the Protestants up north - they don't know they are Irish yet - bless em!

was two guys from Westmeath and two Polish trying to set up a far right org last year - got caught in the Wicklow mountains !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Funny how the Poles are into all this stuff - considering the BNP seem to be pretty tough on them in Britain and considering their history.
Would love to meet those two muppets though - one was from Moate - must be a real hot bed of fascism -

I've had one encounter with a BNP Nazi scumbag (I was on a 3 day training course and we all had a few pints each night) and he had the cheek to come out with this outlandish statement to a group of Irish persons who had the misfortune to attend said course - "we used to hate your sort, but at least your the same colour as me so you cannot be all that bad". He couldn't handle his drink and as the night progressed he got worse. He had a major hard on for Jews and them taking over the UK + blamed them for assassinating JFK and Princess Di? :confused::confused: we tried to reason with him, I did well to stop myself from chinning the nasty piece of work and he never made it in on that final day.

Anybody remember Sam Hamann (ex Wimbledon chairman) spouting racist ****** at some Cardiff hooligan meet?! Might have been panorma or some other undercover investigation from a journalist.

[gspain]

My brother swears this is true.

Weedy looking 5ft 8 BNP member goes into a pub in west London and wants to hand out leaflets "We're trying to get rid of the wogs, pakis and paddys". A much largers barman comes out and says "I'm from Dublin, what have you got to say about that" "I'm sorrry me mother is from Mayo don't hurt me".

[Sligo Hornet]

Any of the Members better take care where they park their cars!:eek:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/7741270.stm

[Noelys Guitar]

I can't see the BNP making the type of inroads in Britain the far right are making in Austria/regions of Germany/ and Japan. And in Italy the Fair Right are seen as a legitimate political grouping. When I lived in west London in the 80's I worked with a group of girls of Caribbean descent. As I was travelling around Europe going to away games having a great time the Black girls really feared travelling around mainland Europe.

[pete]

As I was travelling around Europe going to away games having a great time the Black girls really feared travelling around mainland Europe.

Have you stopped travelling? Do they feel safe now? :p

The problem with vigilante actions is that like incident in Bradford that people are misidentified or caught in the crossfire.

There will always be racists so possibly not a bad thing that the BNP exist as at least can find them all in the one place.

[Noelys Guitar]

Have you stopped travelling? Do they feel safe now? :p

The problem with vigilante actions is that like incident in Bradford that people are misidentified or caught in the crossfire.

There will always be racists so possibly not a bad thing that the BNP exist as at least can find them all in the one place.

I was travelling. They unfortunately did not travel. For some reason sleeping on sidewalks in Frankfurt did not appeal to them. I agree with your point about the BNP existing. Underground militant/far righter groups much more dangerous.

[BohsPartisan]

I don't see how belonging to the BNP is any more reprehensible than being a member of Sinn Fein. At least the BNP's brand of violent nationalism is largely aspirational.

While I don't agree with SF type nationalism or nationalism of any kind, it at least was (lets be honest, its past tense now in reality, like their left credentials) qualified by progressive anti-imperialism. The BNP type of Nationalism is based on racial supremacy, a type of apartheid and a fascist/corporatist state.

BNP members and supporters have also been involved for years in the Redwatch website, where pictures and personal details of anyone who dared to criticise them along with left wing activists, gay rights activists and anyone else they didn't like were posted with the words "Remember places, traitors' faces, they'll all pay for their crimes." The BNP are not just nationalist, they are Fascist knuckle dragging thugs (despite their attempts at improving their image - its all cosmetic).

[Student Mullet]

So we don't have a far right party because of the presence of what would be considered (at least until recently) as a far left one?

You have to remember that we're not dealing with the cream of the intellectual crop here.

[BohsPartisan]

I don't see how belonging to the BNP is any more reprehensible than being a member of Sinn Fein. At least the BNP's brand of violent nationalism is largely aspirational.

While I don't agree with SF type nationalism or nationalism of any kind, it at least was (lets be honest, its past tense now in reality, like their left credentials) qualified by progressive anti-imperialism. The BNP type of Nationalism is based on racial supremacy, a type of apartheid and a fascist/corporatist state.

BNP members and supporters have also been involved for years in the Redwatch website, where pictures and personal details of anyone who dared to criticise them along with left wing activists, gay rights activists and anyone else they didn't like were posted with the words "Remember places, traitors' faces, they'll all pay for their crimes." The BNP are not just nationalist, they are Fascist knuckle dragging thugs (despite their attempts at improving their image - its all cosmetic).

BNP Hypocrisy in the spotlight (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/21/bnp-nick-griffin)

[Sheridan]

Get off the stage BP, most Sinn Fein "activists" (I'm sure you've met as many as I have) wouldn't know the difference between Marx & Engels and Marks & Spencer. Their ideology is based on racial antagonism and ethnic nationalism. And the fact that they've been complicit in the murders of so many people makes them functionally worse by orders of magnitude to the BNP.

[BohsPartisan]

Get off the stage BP, most Sinn Fein "activists" (I'm sure you've met as many as I have) wouldn't know the difference between Marx & Engels and Marks & Spencer. Their ideology is based on racial antagonism and ethnic nationalism. And the fact that they've been complicit in the murders of so many people makes them functionally worse by orders of magnitude to the BNP.

I'm not going to defend SF at all but its just plain wrong to put them in the same bracket as fascists. PIRA restricted the majority of their killings to security forces of a nation they were at war with (Numbers of sectarian killings are proportionally very low when compared with the loyalists) and the type of Ireland that SF claimed they wanted before they sold out wasn't one where people would be discriminated against on the basis of race. Yes I have met many SF members and they are a diverse lot. Some as you say haven't a clue but I've known ones who genuinely believed in Socialism.

[Student Mullet]

BNP members and supporters have also been involved for years in the Redwatch website, where pictures and personal details of anyone who dared to criticise them along with left wing activists, gay rights activists and anyone else they didn't like were posted with the words "Remember places, traitors' faces, they'll all pay for their crimes." The BNP are not just nationalist, they are Fascist knuckle dragging thugs (despite their attempts at improving their image - its all cosmetic). And a debate in UCD was broken up by some anti-fascist group. This could go around in circles forever.




Numbers of sectarian killings are proportionally very low when compared with the loyalistsWell, that's OK then.

[Sheridan]

What were they doing in a nationalist party then? Socialism and nationalism are incompatible. PIRA had no mandate to go to war with anyone.

[BohsPartisan]

And a debate in UCD was broken up by some anti-fascist group. This could go around in circles forever.



Well, that's OK then.

Selective quoting is unfair and changes the meaning of my post. As for the debate broken up by Antifa? Was that the Irving one? If so, justified. He's an unabashed Nazi organiser and proven liar who shouldn't be given a platform. If people want to spout ill informed racist views, let them and we'll argue against them but if you start trying to organise white supremacist groups who's purpose is to violently target people on the basis of race then you will be stopped in your tracks.

[Lim till i die]

Wonder how many Foot.ie boys are on the list - a few of those mad feckers from Limerick maybe?

The BNP was infiltrated by all sorts of liberal pinko filth years ago.

I hear they hardly even beat people up anymore.

[Lim till i die]

As for the debate broken up by Antifa? Was that the Irving one? If so, justified. He's an unabashed Nazi organiser and proven liar who shouldn't be given a platform.

Isn't it amazing how socialists are so darn facist sometimes?? :)


If people want to spout ill informed racist views, let them and we'll argue against them

Or break up the debate.........

[BohsPartisan]

Socialism and nationalism are incompatible.

I agree, but not everyone does. If you remember the old An Phoblacht masthead it read "For a thirty two county Socialist Republic". Some people confuse the quite correct policy of self-determination with nationalism and therefore pursue a political dead end by fusing nationalism and socialism.


PIRA had no mandate to go to war with anyone.
How do you explain the fact that people were queueing up to join in the late 60's/early 70's? Their mandate as it were, was the call from the Catholic working class communities to defend them against loyalist pogroms and state repression. Their war might have been futile, it may have been a tactical dead end, but there was widespread support for it. One of my earliest political memories was the hungerstrikes and I remember the widespread support the hunger-strikers had down here.

[Student Mullet]

Isn't it amazing how socialists are so darn facist sometimes?? :)I always considered politics to be horse-shoe shaped. If you go far around one way you'll meet some lads who went the other way around.

I hark back to a more innocent time when right and left wing referred to economic systems.

[BohsPartisan]

Isn't it amazing how socialists are so darn facist sometimes?? :)


I'm not facist. When I'm drunk especially, faces cease to matter.

[BohsPartisan]

I hark back to a more innocent time when right and left wing referred to economic systems.

Its still what its about but Fascists want to violently wipe out the left, divide workers along racial lines and crush democratic rights. Stopping them from organising is a duty for any Socialist.

[Student Mullet]

Its still what its about but Fascists want to violently wipe out the left, divide workers along racial lines and crush democratic rights. Stopping them from organising is a duty for any Socialist.
Where as socialists want to attack university debates and conduct sectarian killings. I recommend you look further into my horse shoe theory.

[Lim till i die]

Stopping them from organising is a duty for any Socialist.

What else do Socialists do??

There's a reason why the BNP are winning council seats all over England and the far left are a laughing stock.

[BohsPartisan]

Where as socialists want to attack university debates and conduct sectarian killings. I recommend you look further into my horse shoe theory.
Er, what? Thats the dumbest post ever on foot.ie and thats saying something!




There's a reason why the BNP are winning council seats all over England and the far left are a laughing stock.
No arguments there. Which is why fighting fascism has to be primarily about building a strong left.

[Student Mullet]

Er, what? Thats the dumbest post ever on foot.ie and thats saying something!I bow to your superior intellect.

Well played.

[BohsPartisan]

I bow to your superior intellect.

Well played.

Need me to spell it out?

1. To equate shutting down a debate where an invited guest's intention is to organise fascists to wipe out democratic rights, persecute people on the basis of race and sexuality, with the actual attempt to perpetrate those crimes is ludicrous. Its like saying someone trying to stop drug dealers selling in their neighborhood is as bad as the drug dealer.

2. What Socialists want to conduct sectarian killings? Is it all Socialists? Were the PIRA exlicitly socialist and did I say they were? Did I not agree that nationalism and socialism are mutually exclusive?

[bennocelt]

Get off the stage BP, most Sinn Fein "activists" (I'm sure you've met as many as I have) wouldn't know the difference between Marx & Engels and Marks & Spencer. Their ideology is based on racial antagonism and ethnic nationalism. And the fact that they've been complicit in the murders of so many people makes them functionally worse by orders of magnitude to the BNP.

yeah yeah but heh we are a republic now - funny how the English just handed it to us - oh no wait............:rolleyes:

Sf dont tend to do well in south dublin anyway;)

[MariborKev]

PIRA restricted the majority of their killings

What do they want, our everlasting thanks? Tell it to the family of men like Patsy Gillespie. Not often I agree with Sheridan, but I'm four square behind him on this one.

[BohsPartisan]

What do they want, our everlasting thanks? Tell it to the family of men like Patsy Gillespie. Not often I agree with Sheridan, but I'm four square behind him on this one.

No and I didn't say it was right, I was just pointing out the lunacy of equating them with the BNP.

[Lionel Ritchie]

What do they want, our everlasting thanks? Tell it to the family of men like Patsy Gillespie. Not often I agree with Sheridan, but I'm four square behind him on this one.

The partial quote is a little unfair Maribor. I'm sure from what he's said that BP in no way condones the activities of the IRA in any of it's guises. Nor do I. I think the distinction he is making is between two groups, two ideaologys actually, where one group see themselves as freedom fighters attempting to subvert an illegitimate state, an occupying force etc and the other see themselves as a watchdog and as defenders of a state that they claim is being undermined from within by assorted auslanders and their treasonous homegrown liberal helpers.

The BNP may not be involved in an orchestrated violent campaign but make no mistake -the logical consequence of implementing their policies is violence and intimidation. No Asian, no Afro-Carribean, no Bangladeshi, indeed no Paddy of British birth is going to conclude that the BNPs 'Homeward Bound' manifesto is for them. They're all going to have to be 'Persuaded' that it's in their interests to go pack their gear.

[Da Real Rover]

What were they doing in a nationalist party then? Socialism and nationalism are incompatible.

Thats actually wrong their chief.
Many of the first Soclialist theorists were from exploiter nations and saw the nationalism which encompassed their empires degenerate into jingoism.
How ever many Revolutionary thinkers from the oppressed and exploited nations took a different trail of thought to Nationalsim.
A Mr James Connolly included.
Nationalism can be harnessed for Revolutionary movements in oppressed countrys.
It can be utilised to throw off the shackles of imperialism.
Such an exploitation of Nationalism can be seen in Cuba.
Castro's Revolution had a inherently Nationalist feel to it, coupled with Socialism of course.
One of Castro's idols was actually the nationalist freedom fighter Marti, who inspired Castro.

[Lim till i die]

Castro's Revolution had a inherently Nationalist feel to it,

Possibly because most of the Socialism was tacked on afterwards......

[BohsPartisan]

Possibly because most of the Socialism was tacked on afterwards......

Still a clear difference between progressive anti-imperialist nationalism ideologically speaking and reactionary imperialist/fascist/racist nationalism. I mean, Chavez and Morales both incorporate elements of indigenous nationalism in their Socialism because those people are the most oppressed. The Vietnamese also incorporated elements of nationalism and Socialism. For the record I don't but I can see the attraction and how its clearly far removed from the fascists.

[SolitudeRed]

Have to laugh at some of the s**te being talked about socialism on here it seems the Blueshirts live on on foot.ie:D

Having had contact with members of the socialist party in Belfast (the same party as Joe Higgins and all) I can assure you that they are not all mad republican bombers in fact a fair few of them were from Protestant/unionist backgrounds although obviously as Socialists they don't have much time for religion.

[bennocelt]

Have to laugh at some of the s**te being talked about socialism on here it seems the Blueshirts live on on foot.ie:D

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yeah thats true - and a lot of them wear Blue club colours too - funny that:)

[Lim till i die]

Have to laugh at some of the s**te being talked about socialism on here it seems the Blueshirts live on on foot.ie:D


Have to laugh at people who start an argument despite being unable to read properly. :rolleyes:



yeah thats true - and a lot of them wear Blue club colours too - funny that

The evidence for Limerick being a Loyalist, Facist club:

The name begins with L

The team play in blue

We have an embryonic version of the Billy Boys which manages to offend everyone in earshot.

The evidence against Limerick being a loyalist club:

Er, it isn't........

[dahamsta]

Lads, stick to the facts and lose the rhetoric please.

We're aiming for a level above the houses of the Oireactas here!

adam

[HarpoJoyce]

Lads, stick to the facts and lose the rhetoric please.

We're aiming for a level above the houses of the Oireactas here!

adam

Rooftop Protest!.

(I bags nearest the open window 'cos its raining this evening and the water is dribbling down my neck.)

[SolitudeRed]

Bah thats the last time I make a tounge in cheek remark on here you boys are too sensitive! I was merely suggesting that some rather negative sweeping generalisations have been made about those who have a socialist outlook being violent terrorists!

The Blueshirts weren't really fascist anyway they were certainly right wing and exhibited fascist traits yes but that was about the height of it bar O'Duffy most of the leadership and the grassroots had a much more mundane outlook. My Blueshirt remark was refering to the rampant anti-socialism of 1930s Ireland of which the Blueshirts were a product and saying that it still seems to alive and kicking.

As for Limerick being a Loyalist club well you've lost me there!

[John83]

Lads, stick to the facts and lose the rhetoric please.

We're aiming for a level above the houses of the Oireactas here!

adam
If we're going to set standards, at least choose one within a modicum of respectability. A drunken argument in a pub, or a blazing row between spouses maybe. The Oreactas? Ha!

[dahamsta]

Note the highlighted word.

[thischarmingman]

Leaked membership list and generals renew pressure on BNP


The British National Party came under attack from two fronts today as a group of retired generals accused it of hijacking the Armed Forces and its entire membership list was again leaked onto the internet
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6882306.ece

BNP leader Nick Griffin will appear on Question Time this Thursday. (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6881744.ece)

[dahamsta]

Apparently there's an objection to him appearing on QT, because the party he represents is essentially illegal as it stands.

[thischarmingman]

Apparently there's an objection to him appearing on QT, because the party he represents is essentially illegal as it stands.

Bring him on, I say. Better to lift the rock and shine a bright light under it at the party than let it sit there spewing bile. David Aaronovitch has helpfuly detailed the 'Ten steps to put Nick Griffin on the wrong foot.'
(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/david_aaronovitch/article6881553.ece)

[endabob1]

Leaked again

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/British_National_Party_membership_list_and_other_i nformation%2C_15_Apr_2009

Is it a publicity generation thing I wonder......

[Wangball]

Apparently there's an objection to him appearing on QT, because the party he represents is essentially illegal as it stands.

I think its Peter Hain who raised the objection by sending a letter directly to the BBC

For me personally the only time I want to see Griffin on TV is if he's a contestant on Gladiators and Wolf is beating the carp out of him with a pugil stick

[Bluebeard]

For me personally the only time I want to see Griffin on TV is if he's a contestant on Gladiators and Wolf is beating the carp out of him with a pugil stick
Yeah, the fish-eating b@st@rd!

[OneRedArmy]

I'd love to see who has been stupid enough to join the BNP since the last list was leaked. Talk about deserving what you get :D

[Mr A]

What I'm hoping for is a bunch of non-white to join once they amend their constitution as ordered by the court.

That'd really **** them off.

On the other hand, there's a lot to be said for having these guys in the open rather than underground.

[John83]

What I'm hoping for is a bunch of non-white to join once they amend their constitution as ordered by the court.

That'd really **** them off.
If you were Indian or black or whatever, would you give the BNBP your contact details? Just to make a point?