How many Full Time Teams in Premier League 2009 ?

[Captain2007]

Derry,St Pat's & UCD are probably the only Team's not in financial trouble this season, what does next season hold for the 10 Team Premier League with most of the club's budget's been slashed ?

[sligoman]

A more competitive league.

[rambler14]

2 teams!

[Dodge]

Long way to start of season...

[adamd164]

We're staying full-time: 16 fulltime playing staff, I don't know about off-field staff.

This is from a supporters club meeting with new chairman tonight.

[A face]

We're staying full-time: 16 fulltime playing staff, I don't know about off-field staff.

This is from a supporters club meeting with new chairman tonight.

All sounds positive on this front anyway. We should be very competitive as regards wages next season, and no stupid stuff.

[MariborKev]

Derry,St Pat's & UCD are probably the only

That probably only because we sold McCourt, Sammon and have the highest season ticket sales in the League.

We have never been fully fulltime, we have always had non fulltimers. Squad will be cut, there will be a big cut in overnight stays etc next season.

[adamd164]

All sounds positive on this front anyway. We should be very competitive as regards wages next season, and no stupid stuff.
I'll reserve judgement till I see which are the 16 full-timers we start the season with, but yeah, it's certainly promising.

[pateen]

That probably only because we sold McCourt, Sammon and have the highest season ticket sales in the League.

We have never been fully fulltime, we have always had non fulltimers. Squad will be cut, there will be a big cut in overnight stays etc next season.

Where did Connor Sammon go?

[Mr A]

Kilmarnock

[sligored]

We're staying full-time: 16 fulltime playing staff, I don't know about off-field staff.

This is from a supporters club meeting with new chairman tonight.

i find this hard to comprehend. leaving creditors high and dry and then starting next year with a full time playing staff with a sanction that effectively made no difference to your club.

Maybe i am missing something.

[adamd164]

i find this hard to comprehend. leaving creditors high and dry and then starting next year with a full time playing staff with a sanction that effectively made no difference to your club.

Maybe i am missing something.

Clearly there has been good will extended on the part of the creditors to an extent (though the revenue challenged us, the judge dismissed their objections), based presumably on the fact that many of them are local businesses (print company, pubs, etc) who would like to see football continue in the county.

Creditors agreed to take 50% of all prize money proportionally to what they're owed until all debts have been repaid. Therefore, having a full-time squad increases the likelihood of prizemoney and everyone lived happily ever after....

[BohDiddley]

I have an inkling as to what makes Pat's (sugar daddy) and UCD (subvention?) stable. What's Derry's secret?

[Dodge]

i find this hard to comprehend. leaving creditors high and dry and then starting next year with a full time playing staff with a sanction that effectively made no difference to your club.

Maybe i am missing something.

Cork can't be punished forever.

[pineapple stu]

I have an inkling as to what makes ...UCD (subvention?) stable. What's Derry's secret?
No (for about the 75182th time) and paying transfer fees a year late. Derry aren't as sound as people think (although they are one of the five Premier teams to have paid their wages on time and in full throughout the season, I'm told. But then Cork paid their wages on time until the explosion).

[sligored]

Cork can't be punished forever.

have they been punished at all?

Maybe corks formula is the way forward for mid table teams.

I like cork city and the league of ireland needs them but think they have come out of this very lightly.

[Dodge]

10 points deducted. Possibly more (Cork's confidence aside, there's nothing definite)

Losing Mooney. Losing some others in this off season (players like Gamble will get better contracts away from Cork now).

Losing face with creditors etc (I'd imagine a lot of Cork deals will be Cash up front now - don't underestimate this as a problem)

Loads of ways Cork have been punished

[Schumi]

I have an inkling as to what makes UCD (subvention?) stable.No. Simply not spending very much, as evidenced by our league position. I understand that we're running a loss this year regardless and will be cutting back spending next year along with everyone else.

[jinxy lilywhite]

have they been punished at all?

Maybe corks formula is the way forward for mid table teams.

I like cork city and the league of ireland needs them but think they have come out of this very lightly.

Cork have been punished but Drogheda's punished has rendered Corks points deduction irrelevant.

In relation to Creditors the Creditors accepted the scheme of Arrangement by the new owners. They agreed to this in the hope that their debt or most of it will be retrieved at a later date. If they went to wind cork up then they may of got nothing at all or not even half of the scheme of arranement.

[dcfcsteve]

No (for about the 75182th time) and paying transfer fees a year late. Derry aren't as sound as people think (although they are one of the five Premier teams to have paid their wages on time and in full throughout the season, I'm told. But then Cork paid their wages on time until the explosion).

This is clearly your new hobby horse to while the hours away Stu... :o

Like every other club, City are by no means 'stable'. Every club in Ireland is within a wrong decision or two of going bang.

That said - you've been paid for Connor Sammon now, so stop gurning about it. Things aren't great with us - but considering we were able to magic-up £30,000 at the click of a finger suggests that things aren't quite as bad as you like to think either.

And you know full-well any comparison between Cork and ourselves is just stupid. They had a sugar daddy who was writing their cheques, so it was money they didn't have. We don't have asugar daddy, so if we're paying our wages on-time it's out of our own pockets.

As for the 'if you hadn't sold McCourt' stuff - if your granny had balls...

[dcfcsteve]

I have an inkling as to what makes UCD (subvention?) stable

For the 75182th time, UCD are not as sound as people think....:D

[WoodquayBoy]

For the 75182th time, UCD are not as sound as people think....:D
They will be after this weekend when their total gate for the season is doubled on Friday night :D

[pineapple stu]

Things aren't great with us - but considering we were able to magic-up £30,000 at the click of a finger suggests that things aren't quite as bad as you like to think either.
How bad do I like to think you are? I'm just pointing out that Derry shouldn't be mentioned on a par with us in terms of financial security, and that they don't have a "secret", as per the OP.

Given a choice of finding £30k or potentially not getting a licence, I think all the stops would be pulled to get the cheque. It certainly wasn't at the click of a finger, "Oh, here you go, sorry about that, forgot all about it".

The point about Cork and their wages was completely missed by you; it's that paying your wages every week on time and in full isn't of itself a reflection of financial stability, but can rather be a club focussing on keeping the players 100% happy because that'll be the quickest bad news story to break, and it'd mean players are free agents too. Nothing at all to do with sugar daddies.

[randomcomment]

Financially safe clubs:

UCD - college run
Pats - Sugar Daddy
Dundalk - Not being promoted and being run like a business
Wexford - The richest club in the league
Monaghan - No ambition
Limerick - So far


Anoyone else?

[superfrank]

We should be very competitive as regards wages next season, and no stupid stuff.
What does the club mean by "competitive"?

[micls]

i find this hard to comprehend. leaving creditors high and dry and then starting next year with a full time playing staff with a sanction that effectively made no difference to your club.

Maybe i am missing something.
Yes you are. Being Full tiem does not mean we'l be spending crazy money. You can be full time on 500euro a week.

Our wage budget is being slashed dramatically. Mathews has taken a big pay cut, players under contract(Gamble etc) will be asked to do the same. We have all but 6 out of contract, they will be offered smaller contracts. If they accept, great. If not we'll lose them and have to bring in other cheaper players.

We will have 16 fulltimers plus younsters part time and amateur.

Tom Coughlan will be not pumping money in the way Arkaga were supposed to.

The amount going out will only be the amount coming in. We will be run in a financially viable way.

We get decent average crowds, have good sponsorship deals and are working on improving revenue. If revenue streams do increase we can increase the budget then.

You seem to be equating having full timers with overspending i.e. carrying on as we were. we are not.



Cork have been punished but Drogheda's punished has rendered Corks points deduction irrelevant.


How :confused:

We have to beat Bohs Friday or else we miss out on Europe.

Also if we hadnt had the points deduction we would finish 3rd, better prizemoney and Europe guaranteed.
Drogs were not the people we were challenging for positions, Sligo and Derry were

[Dodge]

Yes you are. Being Full tiem does not mean we'l be spending crazy money. You can be full time on 500euro a week.


You won't get too many people willing to accept €500 Gross for a full time wage. There's part timers on double that

[micls]

You won't get too many people willing to accept €500 Gross for a full time wage. There's part timers on double that

Im not saying our players were on that...Im just trying to illustrate that full time does not necessarily mean overspending. Btw we had players on that and less the year we wont he league

I agree the players in the league right now would expect more but that may not be the case in a few years time.....

Btw we had full time players on that the year we wont he league

[Ceirtlis]

Yes you are. Being Full tiem does not mean we'l be spending crazy money. You can be full time on 500euro a week.



500 euro a week is not a great wage for an industry as unstable and with as little long term prospects as Irish professional soccer, I cant see many players doing it for that if for example they can play part time somewhere else and earn 300 at the club and 450 somewhere else. Maybe there are players on 500 f/t at the moment, are there?

[Dodge]

Btw we had full time players on that the year we wont he league

Maybe net to the player, not gross cost to the club. And in term's of Cork's budget, that's the important bit.

[micls]

Maybe net to the player, not gross cost to the club. And in term's of Cork's budget, that's the important bit.

I was speaking in terms of net(missed the gross in your post). Some of our players were on 5 or so times that net this season.

The budget will be greatly reduced

[Billy-Green]

Shamrock Rovers...


I heard that were goin full time next season, not defo tho. Its something to do with the stadium, rovers dont have to pay for anything but get all the income from it.

[Dodge]

LOL...

[passinginterest]

LOL...

In fairness I had heard it from a very reliable source too. They'll have a vastly improved budget without having to pay rent on Tolka, they have a 50/50 split with SDCC on stadium advertising as far as I know, season ticket sales are flying, they'll sell out the first few games and will have a few high profile friendlies (I think the stadium opener might well be Ireland B v Shamrock Rovers). Don't see any reason why they couldn't go full time with huge numbers of players out of contract and likely to take much smaller deals than they would have looked for in the past.

[Billy-Green]

LOL...


In fairness I had heard it from a very reliable source too. They'll have a vastly improved budget without having to pay rent on Tolka, they have a 50/50 split with SDCC on stadium advertising as far as I know, season ticket sales are flying, they'll sell out the first few games and will have a few high profile friendlies (I think the stadium opener might well be Ireland B v Shamrock Rovers). Don't see any reason why they couldn't go full time with huge numbers of players out of contract and likely to take much smaller deals than they would have looked for in the past.

Now Dodge eat that

[Dodge]

Now Dodge eat that

I'll eat nothing. I know 3 players from Rovers who are currently part time. All 3 have been offered part time deals for next year.

[micls]

Now Dodge eat that

I think Dodge will still be the one laughing....even if ye do go full time.

Sure ye'l have a major cash boost this year but what about when teh crowds taper off(its certain thyy will from what will be there initally) and you will be stuck with 2 or 3 year full time contracts that you might have trouble with.

Imo Rovers should stay part time for at least 2-3 years, then see what money is coming in regularly in Tallaght and base any new budgets(attempts to go fulltime) on that.

[passinginterest]

I'll eat nothing. I know 3 players from Rovers who are currently part time. All 3 have been offered part time deals for next year.

I'd imagine it'll be a split of full-time/part-time they're not going to make the mistake Pat's made and force out quality part-time players like McGuire. I'm not sure it's a good idea either, I'd be inclined to think they should try and put money in the bank for the future and, if they can sustain crowds and season ticket holders, look to do the full time think in a year or two.

[Dodge]

Don't forget that Rovers got a sizeable amount of their membership to pay 2-5 years subscriptions upfront last year, and unlike Bohs or Pats they'll get nothing from other clubs/national sides using the pitch

[Dodge]

I'd imagine it'll be a split of full-time/part-time they're not going to make the mistake Pat's made and force out quality part-time players like McGuire. I'm not sure it's a good idea either, I'd be inclined to think they should try and put money in the bank for the future and, if they can sustain crowds and season ticket holders, look to do the full time think in a year or two.

Rovers already have some full timers, so the only change is that the balance of part time/full time players may change. So no real change.

[passinginterest]

Rovers already have some full timers, so the only change is that the balance of part time/full time players may change. So no real change.

That's not actually true. They only train part time. Some of the lads don't have other jobs, but it's more to do with not being able to find anything flexible enough than being full time footballers.

[Dodge]

Some of them train 5 days a week. Admittedly its a few, and the majority of squad isn't there

[passinginterest]

Some of them train 5 days a week. Admittedly its a few, and the majority of squad isn't there

And it's in the gym off their own backs.

[Billy-Green]

Some of them train 5 days a week. Admittedly its a few, and the majority of squad isn't there

Ye thats true, most of the lads who dont have other jobs just go to the gym or get extra physio.

Id be in favour of staying with a mix of part/full time. As said before by others there will be alot of players out of contract that would be willing to move to rovers on a cheaper wage.

[Billy-Green]

And it's in the gym off their own backs.

They have all got free membership to a gym in greenhills

[passinginterest]

They have all got free membership to a gym in greenhills

Ya, although they're moving to the Tallaght community gym, or whatever it's called now.

[oldyouth]

Spot on.
CT, Are the Youths amateur and if you think not, please explain as you have been asked to do before?