Waterford v Dundalk - Possible Points Deduction

[JC_GUFC]

After the ugly scenes at the RSC last night I've heard rumours that Waterford and Dundalk could both be hit by a points deduction for failure to control their players & staff.

Does anyone know if this is covered in the rules? I've heard Waterford could lose 3 points and Dundalk 1.

[eelmonster]

After the ugly scenes at the RSC last night I've heard rumours that Waterford and Dundalk could both be hit by a points deduction for failure to control their players & staff.

Does anyone know if this is covered in the rules? I've heard Waterford could lose 3 points and Dundalk 1.

Sounds like bullscrit.

[holidaysong]

I can't see how either team could be deducted any points. The Waterford physio clearly headbutted our goalkeeper in front of the main stand to kick off the whole thing. Our players went to his defence and then the stewards attacked our players. Neither set of players did much of note. From what I saw, the stewards did more to provoke the situation than anyone else, throwing punches left, right and centre.. A Dundalk fan captured the incident on video. This was shown to the Gardaí at half time and then the physio didn't reappear after the break.. A fine for Waterford's physio perhaps, but nothing more.

[SMorgan]

After the ugly scenes at the RSC last night I've heard rumours that Waterford and Dundalk could both be hit by a points deduction for failure to control their players & staff.

Does anyone know if this is covered in the rules? I've heard Waterford could lose 3 points and Dundalk 1.

I heard that any Eircom League club found to have claimed to own the facilities of a local junior club, during the IMG process, will be docked 20 points and branded cheats.

[JC_GUFC]

I heard that any Eircom League club found to have claimed to own the facilities of a local junior club, during the IMG process, will be docked 20 points and branded cheats.

But this points deduction can be appealed by way of a DVD!

Like I said I only heard rumours. Sounds like typical behaviour from LOI stewards - did they sign those lads from Longford!

[Partizan]

I can't see how either team could be deducted any points. The Waterford physio clearly headbutted our goalkeeper in front of the main stand to kick off the whole thing. Our players went to his defence and then the stewards attacked our players. Neither set of players did much of note. From what I saw, the stewards did more to provoke the situation than anyone else, throwing punches left, right and centre.. A Dundalk fan captured the incident on video. This was shown to the Gardaí at half time and then the physio didn't reappear after the break.. A fine for Waterford's physio perhaps, but nothing more.

Wrong, the harsh sending off of Willie John Kiely kicked the whole thing off. Dundalk keeper made the most of a 50/50 challenge. I was in the new stand and saw the incident clearly. WJK brushed the keeper's elbow in the challenge, cue the Dundalk keeper rolling around the ground with his hand over his face. Graham Kelly was reaching for his pocket to book WJK when Eddie Foley who was on the other side of the pitch started waving his flag calling for Kelly's attention. After Kelly went over and chatted to Foley and then went over and produced the red card for Kiely. After Kiley was sent off the keeper made an almost miraculous recovery.

This happened right on the stroke of HT. As the players were walking into the tunnel, the Dundalk keeper made a charge for Eddie jackman the Waterford physio and pushed him quite hard in the back. Jackman then headbutted the keeper and all hell broke loose. Jackman was warned by the Gardai not to appear in the 2nd half for his own safety. A cynical piece of work by the Dundalk goalie and a shocking decision by Foley cost Waterford the game and ultimatley promotion.

What rubbed salt into the wounds was the appearance of the Dundalk goalie in the 2nd half who wasnt even cautioned or booked.

[holidaysong]

Wrong, the harsh sending off of Willie John Kiely kicked the whole thing off. Dundalk keeper made the most of a 50/50 challenge. I was in the new stand and saw the incident clearly. WJK brushed the keeper's elbow in the challenge, cue the Dundalk keeper rolling around the ground with his hand over his face. Graham Kelly was reaching for his pocket to book WJK when Eddie Foley who was on the other side of the pitch started waving his flag calling for Kelly's attention. After Kelly went over and chatted to Foley and then went over and produced the red card for Kiely. After Kiley was sent off the keeper made an almost miraculous recovery.

This happened right on the stroke of HT. As the players were walking into the tunnel, the Dundalk keeper made a charge for Eddie jackman the Waterford physio and pushed him quite hard in the back. Jackman then headbutted the keeper and all hell broke loose. Jackman was warned by the Gardai not to appear in the 2nd half for his own safety. A cynical piece of work by the Dundalk goalie and a shocking decision by Foley cost Waterford the game and ultimatley promotion.

What rubbed salt into the wounds was the appearance of the Dundalk goalie in the 2nd half who wasnt even cautioned or booked.

The Waterford player went in on Bennion with a two footed challenge. Definite red card. Whatever about the extent of the injury, there was intent there. I don't know how you could see the incident between Bennion and the physio because if you were in the new stand then your view would have been blocked by the home dug out.. Your physio headbutted Bennion first. This was captured on video and was shown to a Garda at half time. I'm sure the footage will surface sooner or later..

[Lilywhite Army]

Whats the odds on John Delaney and the fai deucting us say 5 points..And waterford have yet another life line..Realistically though i cant see any points been deducted this time

[Partizan]

The Waterford player went in on Bennion with a two footed challenge. Definite red card. Whatever about the extent of the injury, there was intent there. I don't know how you could see the incident between Bennion and the physio because if you were in the new stand then your view would have been blocked by the home dug out.. Your physio headbutted Bennion first. This was captured on video and was shown to a Garda at half time. I'm sure the footage will surface sooner or later..

Rubbish, I witnessed the challenge on the goalie. I was sitting in line with the incident in the new stand on the side it happened and it most definitley wasnt a red card. You were over in the far side of the ground. How in name of Jehovah could you have seen it? The linesman was miles away from the incident while the ref was close up. Explain that! There was no intent on behalf of Kiely. it was 50/50 challenge and his momentum carried him over.

Fact! your keeper went for our physio. Read the match report in the Indo today.

[Lim till i die]

Shocking!

Waterford actually had a physio on duty last night. :eek: :eek: :eek:

[eelmonster]

Fact! your keeper went for our physio. Read the match report in the Indo today.

Fact? Read the Indo? Well if it's in the Indo then it must be true :rolleyes:

The entire incident was played out right in front of the old stand, how could you possibly have seen what happened? Bennion was tripped by one of the WU players as he was running to the tunnel, then brushed past that maniac who responded like a common thug, it's all on video, you're looking at a serious fine. Fecking right the guards instructed that scumbag not to come out for the second half, he would have been done for inciting a riot and assault.

[SMorgan]

. A cynical piece of work by the Dundalk goalie and a shocking decision by Foley cost Waterford the game and ultimatley promotion.
.

Of course it was. It was everybody's fault except Waterford United's.

I am sure your unqualified support for thuggery will be greatly appreciated in some quarters.


Shocking!

Waterford actually had a physio on duty last night. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Good point Lim. I think Waterford should be docked 2 points for not having a Physio for the second half.

[gilberto_eire]

I heard that any Eircom League club found to have claimed to own the facilities of a local junior club, during the IMG process, will be docked 20 points and branded cheats.

And what would the name of this junior club be?.... Have'nt a clue what your on about!!

Come on Shels :)

[stann]

I was in the old stand right in front of the incident, saw it all, and also have the benefit of hearing the testimony of several of the parties involved. Bennion went for our physio first, by way of a charge into the back. This is without question. He then found out that that was one smaller, older man he should have left alone, the big bully-boy thug. Our physio didn't quite connect with him, probably for the best. Our man will be fined quite heavily I expect.

[SMorgan]

And what would the name of this junior club be?.... Have'nt a clue what your on about!!

Come on Derry City :)


Oh I could indeed, but I couldn't be arsed.

But if the hat fits, wear it.

[SMorgan]

I was in the old stand right in front of the incident, saw it all, and also have the benefit of hearing the testimony of several of the parties involved. Bennion went for our physio first, by way of a shoulder charge into the back. This is without question. He then found out that that was one smaller, older man he should have left alone, the big bully-boy thug. Our physio didn't quite connect with him, probably for the best. He will be fined quite heavily I expect.


Absolutely delighted you cleared that up. You're one of many many Waterford supporters that seen exactly what happened. I think I'll wait to see what the tape of the incident shows.

[dcfcsteve]

Latest Update : Dundalk fan Maxi seen filling a green container at a petrol station on the Dublin to Waterford road this afternoon.....

[oriel]

The only action to take place here will be an auto 2 game suspension for the offending waterford player and a moderate fine for wufc for failing to control their players.

End of story

[trevy]

I'd say both clubs will be fined and that will be the end of it. I can't see the FAI deducting points over it. Post up a copy of the video so we can see it again:D

[stann]

It was the physio though, Oriel, not a player.
We were asking this last night. Though it is the case last night that the Guards on duty asked the physio not to come out for the second half (and then the 4th official wouldn't let the replacement into the dugout as he wasn't on the match card!), the question was can a physio actually be sent off? And obviously the follow on is can he/she then be suspended?

SMorgan, those are the facts of the case, like them or not. As I said there is info in that post that you could have had no access to, including comments from the physio, the linesman and the Gardai. BTW doesn't it strike you as significant that all of us all saw exactly the same thing?

Edit: meant to say earlier, JC, stop feckin stirring it you! :D

[ColmM]

A Waterford player who wanted some retribution for the red card clattered into Chris Bennion as the teams were coming off the pitch. Bennion was knocked into the physio, words were exchanged and then the physio headbutted him. Then all hell broke loose but most of the people involved were trying to seperate people. Any other version of events is a complete and utter lie.

[holmanator]

massive result for us, doubt there will be any points taken away, that would be just too much for some dundalk fans to handle.
speaking of which is it too early to award us the best fans in the 1st divison for the 5th year in a row??:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[micls]

is it too early to award us the best fans in the 1st divison for the 5th year in a row??:rolleyes::rolleyes:

We'l give ye second best...cos ye'l probably blow it in the last couple of games.

[Black and White]

You cant deduct teams points for off the ball incidents...the only sanctions allowed are heavy fines for both clubs, those players involved and suspensions handed to those players reported in the ref's after match report....aka the waterford physio!what a reject!!!

[christo]

From what I hear it sounds like the FAI will hit Dundalk with a 60 point deduction purely for being Dundalk and will have to face Mervue in the playoff in turn saving Kildare from the drop, just because they're Dundalk of course, nothing to do with the incident

But whatever happened both clubs are responsible reguardless of what started it, both clubs acted irresponsibly

[oldyouth]

I hate to admit it but with the Wexford V Lim37, Waterford v Athlone and now Waterford V Dundalk games, we are starting to look like the chuffing GAA when it comes to discipline

[Lim till i die]

I hate to admit it but with the Wexford V Lim37, Waterford v Athlone and now Waterford V Dundalk games, we are starting to look like the chuffing GAA when it comes to discipline

What about the shamozzle above in Lissywollen last week??

Countyfinal-esque by all accounts. :)

[oriel]

The most surprisngy thing about this thread is that is lasted 2 pages.

moderator - jc- gufc - is he having a laugh or what ????

[The Sheliban]

I think Waterford should be awarded a 3-0 victory

[Black and White]

Wouldnt surprise me(waterford handed a 3nil win) if John Delaney gets a read at this thread!!after all, he supports everybody BAR US!!!

[mcgonigle]

The Delaney is against Dundalk thing is getting a bit old lads. From the horses mouth "We want Dundalk to go up, their the only club in the First Division who are ready". He's not that bad lads.

[WoodquayBoy]

If memory serves me right, someone from the Waterford backroom team was involved in an incident with a United player in Terryland 2 seasons ago as well. Not sure if it was the physio, and if it was, if it was the same person, but there was certainly some kind of handbag thrown in an incident missed by the officials