Andy Reid & Trapp row???

[eirebhoy]

“He’s not mobile enough, and I think Andy Reid needs to be more conscious about picking his knife and fork up. He looks like he’s carrying a bit of timber. He’s got to be absolutely spot on physically. There’s going to be times during the season where he’s going to be as fit as he can be but I think he needs to up it again.”
You could have told us who the quote was from. :) Anyway, googled it and it's Cascarino. He also says:

"One of our biggest problems last year was that in midfield people just went straight through us, and Andy played in some of those games."

and

"What happened with Trapattoni is I think he looked at a lot of videos of us from the last campaign and has come away thinking we can’t concede the goals like we were conceding on a regular basis. He’s pinpointed certain players and it looks like Andy Reid is one of them, and I think he’s right. It’s not anything personal against Andy, I just think he’s a luxury footballer."


I don't think the opposition midfield were having any extra freedom when Reid played and thought we had the better of midfield for most of them...

Also, in his time at Spurs on the left wing, if anything his best work was being done off the ball. I'm not saying he's a great defender but Cascarino is talking about S.Ireland in that article. No way is Ireland a better defender than Reid imo.

Article:
http://www.irishpost.co.uk/news/story/?trs=idmhsnid&cat=sport

[kev mcq]

You could have told us who the quote was from. :) Anyway, googled it and it's Cascarino. He also says:

"One of our biggest problems last year was that in midfield people just went straight through us, and Andy played in some of those games."

and

"What happened with Trapattoni is I think he looked at a lot of videos of us from the last campaign and has come away thinking we can’t concede the goals like we were conceding on a regular basis. He’s pinpointed certain players and it looks like Andy Reid is one of them, and I think he’s right. It’s not anything personal against Andy, I just think he’s a luxury footballer."


I don't think the opposition midfield were having any extra freedom when Reid played and thought we had the better of midfield for most of them...

Also, in his time at Spurs on the left wing, if anything his best work was being done off the ball. I'm not saying he's a great defender but Cascarino is talking about S.Ireland in that article. No way is Ireland a better defender than Reid imo.Article:
http://www.irishpost.co.uk/news/story/?trs=idmhsnid&cat=sport

Ireland wins an unbelievable amount of tackles high up the pitch, I've noticed this a lot in the past few games.

[EalingGreen]

He looks like he has had a pie too many (not that I am one to talk). however tests have shown at tottenham he was one of the fittest players at the club.

I saw him make his debut for Spurs and if he was fit, then I'm Kate Moss. I've heard about this mysterious fitness test and frankly, I don't believe it. I strongly suspect that this was put about in order to placate the fans, who reckoned his four and a half million pound valuation was avoirdupois, not sterling.

Moreover, whoever actually signed him at the Lane (NOT Martin Jol) was likely covering his ass, as well.

Tbh, I saw most of his home appearances for Spurs and there is no doubt that he is a very talented footballer, easily skillful enough for the Premier League, and better than Andy Dawson, signed from Forest in the same deal.

But it is not coincidence that Spurs sold Reid in August 2006, by which time Jol had taken Spurs to 5th place in the Prem, and so was established enough to get his way. Meanwhile, Jol kept Dawson, whose exemplary attitude has meant that he has improved noticeably as a player.

Further, it may not be coincidence that when Charlton signed him, they were in disarray (it was the time of the Iain Dowie, Les Reed fiasco), so Spurs may have "sold them a pup".

And the fact that a player of his ability cannot get a regular place at Sunderland, nor with the ROI, suggests to me there's something seriously wrong.

[Qwerty]

I saw him make his debut for Spurs and if he was fit, then I'm Kate Moss. I've heard about this mysterious fitness test and frankly, I don't believe it. I strongly suspect that this was put about in order to placate the fans, who reckoned his four and a half million pound valuation was avoirdupois, not sterling.

Moreover, whoever actually signed him at the Lane (NOT Martin Jol) was likely covering his ass, as well.

Tbh, I saw most of his home appearances for Spurs and there is no doubt that he is a very talented footballer, easily skillful enough for the Premier League, and better than Andy Dawson, signed from Forest in the same deal.

But it is not coincidence that Spurs sold Reid in August 2006, by which time Jol had taken Spurs to 5th place in the Prem, and so was established enough to get his way. Meanwhile, Jol kept Dawson, whose exemplary attitude has meant that he has improved noticeably as a player.

Further, it may not be coincidence that when Charlton signed him, they were in disarray (it was the time of the Iain Dowie, Les Reed fiasco), so Spurs may have "sold them a pup".

And the fact that a player of his ability cannot get a regular place at Sunderland, nor with the ROI, suggests to me there's something seriously wrong.

It's an anti-fat bias, when will people realize fat is beautiful? The beautiful game is played by pub teams every weekend.

[paul_oshea]

when did this term "luxury footballer" come about, is it the latest fad?!

[geysir]

Also, in his time at Spurs on the left wing, if anything his best work was being done off the ball. I'm not saying he's a great defender but Cascarino is talking about S.Ireland in that article. No way is Ireland a better defender than Reid imo.

Article:
http://www.irishpost.co.uk/news/story/?trs=idmhsnid&cat=sport
Cas is answering a separate question about S Ireland after he has finished talking about Andy Reid.
It doesn't read to me that Cas is saying Ireland should play in CM, nor does Cas go on to say what type of midfield under Trap could accomadate S Ireland.
It reads to me as comments made by Cas, in general about S Ireland.

[third policeman]

[quote=eirebhoy;1049570]Also, in his time at Spurs on the left wing, if anything his best work was being done off the ball. I'm not saying he's a great defender but Cascarino is talking about S.Ireland in that article. No way is Ireland a better defender than Reid imo.


Watch Ireland in his next game for City and study how much work he does closing down and tackling. He is way ahead of Reid when it comes to defending. Even Cobh Ramblers midfield players were ghosting past him in the pre-season warm up.

[NeilMcD]

when did this term "luxury footballer" come about, is it the latest fad?!

No Tony Currie, Frank Worthington, Rodney Marsh, Robin Friday and Duncan McKenzie were all regarded as luxury footballers and all played in the 1970s.

[eirebhoy]

Watch Ireland in his next game for City and study how much work he does closing down and tackling. He is way ahead of Reid when it comes to defending. Even Cobh Ramblers midfield players were ghosting past him in the pre-season warm up.
Don't agree. I think Reid does at least as much work off the ball and they're both as bad defenders as each other. Actually I'd say Reid is the better of the 2 because Ireland was lost positionally in Cyprus.

[third policeman]

Don't agree. I think Reid does at least as much work off the ball and they're both as bad defenders as each other. Actually I'd say Reid is the better of the 2 because Ireland was lost positionally in Cyprus.

The fact is that under Stan, the whole team was "lost". In Ireland's defence he was 19 and playing alongside Kevin Kilbane in a team that clearly had no game plan whatsoever.....and he did score a goal.

[jmurphyc]

The fact is that under Stan, the whole team was "lost". In Ireland's defence he was 19 and playing alongside Kevin Kilbane in a team that clearly had no game plan whatsoever.....and he did score a goal.

He was by far the worst player on the pitch when we played Slovakia away, depsite the fact that he scored a goal. I have only seen him play a couple of times since he last played for us, but in his games for us he showed no defensive awareness whatsover and was a total liability. Carsley was having to do the job of two players because Ireland was so poor.

If Ireland were to come back, it could not be in a 2 man central midfield. He would either have to play in a 3 man central midfield or in the hole just behind the striker, or possibly as a wide player although I don't really like him on the wing. Anything else would compromise our ability to get results and we'd have very little chance of qualifying for South Africa IMO.

[Reality Bites]

Andy Reid didn't feature yet again for Sunderland, I suspect when Poland Freindly comes around if played he will make very little impression, really does make the issue seem meaningless if compared with JacK Charltons rift with Brady and O'Leary who were proven top flight pedigree - I put it all down to slow press days!!

[Dr. Ogba]

Andy Reid didn't feature yet again for Sunderland, I suspect when Poland Freindly comes around if played he will make very little impression, really does make the issue seem meaningless if compared with JacK Charltons rift with Brady and O'Leary who were proven top flight pedigree - I put it all down to slow press days!!

yeah but who's to say that Roy Keane is right? have watched Sunderland in the past few games and they have been muck (the win against Newcastle was pretty jammy)...I think they're actually crying out for a player like Reid, someone who can actually pass the ball as opposed to the hoofers in Sunderland's midfield...