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thischarmingman
08/09/2008, 7:23 PM
O'Brian sent off in Bohs-Pats game which is still 0-0.
Cork-Derry 0-0: less than 2000 at match. :eek:
Athlone 1-2 Dundalk
thischarmingman
08/09/2008, 7:53 PM
Brennan missed penalty for Bohs.
5 players booked in first half of Derry game.
Burny89
08/09/2008, 7:54 PM
where are you getting updates? Derry site seems to be down
thischarmingman
08/09/2008, 7:56 PM
Cork updates: http://www.corkcityfc.ie/views/matchday.php (Though Cork biased)
Derry chatroom here; http://www.irishfootienetwork.com/derrycitychat/chat/index.php3
and of course:
http://www.livescore.com/
Derrycitychat working fine for me.
thischarmingman
08/09/2008, 7:57 PM
Bohs one up.
thischarmingman
08/09/2008, 8:00 PM
Rossiter with that goal, on 48 mins.
May as well present the trophy now.
sligoman
08/09/2008, 8:05 PM
Bohs 2 up
thischarmingman
08/09/2008, 8:08 PM
Bohs 2 up
Hey, this is my update thread! :mad:
sligoman
08/09/2008, 8:10 PM
Cork 1-0 up, Athlone equalise, 2-2.
EDIT: Sorry buddy;)
thischarmingman
08/09/2008, 8:20 PM
EDIT: Sorry buddy;)
I didn't get that until I happened to see the Challenge thread again. :D
sligoman
08/09/2008, 8:31 PM
Bohs 3-0 up. Derry 1-1.
thischarmingman
08/09/2008, 8:34 PM
We are invincible
Ditto.
thischarmingman
08/09/2008, 8:37 PM
6 mins injury min in Cork.
sligoman
08/09/2008, 8:39 PM
Athlone 2-2 Dundalk FT. Nobody wants to win the First Division it seems.
Ditto.
league cup doesnt count... :D
sligoman
08/09/2008, 8:42 PM
Cork 1-1 Derry
Bohs 3-0 Pat's.
Full time
thischarmingman
08/09/2008, 8:43 PM
Happy enough with that, especially given the Pats result.
Sinéad K
08/09/2008, 8:46 PM
If someone had said to me at the start of the season we'd be challenging for second I'd have taken it in a flash after the disaster of last season. Looking forward to next season already, time to convert too many drawn games into winners.
We are invincible
Difference is yous had to buy the league this year, just waiting for yous to do another shels,
DmanDmythDledge
08/09/2008, 8:50 PM
Difference is yous had to buy the league this year, just waiting for yous to do another shels,
Shock horror as football team buys players! :eek:
Difference is yous had to buy the league this year, just waiting for yous to do another shels,
difference to what? sorry but that makes no sense.
whether we "do a Shels" or not remains to be seen but i, for one, am going to enjoy this amazing display of utter dominance while it lasts.
good to see that jealousy remains alive and kicking. :D
difference to what? sorry but that makes no sense.
whether we "do a Shels" or not remains to be seen but i, for one, am going to enjoy this amazing display of utter dominance while it lasts.
good to see that jealousy remains alive and kicking. :D
jealousy wouldnt say that stu, just waiting for it to go tits up for yous, then you can thank Fenlon for putting yous in the mess. 1 cup/league in 7 years is a good record to talk about
dancinpants
08/09/2008, 9:07 PM
20 wins out of 25 is hard to argue with....some record in fairness.
Fenlons still a c**t though :D
Sinéad K
08/09/2008, 9:09 PM
Would have to agree, plus the defensive record is something else & big Ken not even figuring for most of it.
if it goes tits up at Bohemians then i dont think Fenlon will have been the man to blame. He has stayed within his budget and released a rake of players this year in order to bring in a few. Fact is he is achieving this dominance with mostly Connors purchases. Byrne is the only player he personally has brought in on a huge wage. Most of the other big contracts were negotiated by Connor.
Say what you like but i dont feel that Fenlon is the man to blame.
sonofstan
08/09/2008, 9:12 PM
jealousy wouldnt say that stu, just waiting for it to go tits up for yous, then you can thank Fenlon for putting yous in the mess. 1 cup/league in 7 years is a good record to talk about
FFS, whatever the ins oand outs of our finances, Fenlon didn't put us in to it. Our wage bill this year will probably be lower than under Connor. With nearly the same group of players, he's turned Connor's team into champions - Oman, Brennan, Byrne and Cronin were the only new players at the start of the year, and Byrne has been peripheral. Fitness and focus has been the difference. I would hazard a guess that we have the 3rd highest wage bill in the league (4th until 2 weeks ago); if money could buy it, then Pat's would be walking it, and Drogheda would be second, with us a distant 3rd like last year.
if it goes tits up at Bohemians then i dont think Fenlon will have been the man to blame. He has stayed within his budget and released a rake of players this year in order to bring in a few. Fact is he is achieving this dominance with mostly Connors purchases. Byrne is the only player he personally has brought in on a huge wage. Most of the other big contracts were negotiated by Connor.
Say what you like but i dont feel that Fenlon is the man to blame.
Not disputing that yous are the best team in the league, yous are by a long way this year but there is a salary cap issue, but is this being adhered to. Yous have released a couple a players but hes brought in bigger players on higher wages
FFS, whatever the ins oand outs of our finances, Fenlon didn't put us in to it. Our wage bill this year will probably be lower than under Connor. With nearly the same group of players, he's turned Connor's team into champions - Oman, Brennan, Byrne and Cronin were the only new players at the start of the year, and Byrne has been peripheral. Fitness and focus has been the difference. I would hazard a guess that we have the 3rd highest wage bill in the league (4th until 2 weeks ago); if money could buy it, then Pat's would be walking it, and Drogheda would be second, with us a distant 3rd like last year.
here here
Not disputing that yous are the best team in the league, yous are by a long way this year but there is a salary cap issue, but is this being adhered to. Yous have released a couple a players but hes brought in bigger players on higher wages
simply not true - he has brought in talented players (McGill, Kalonas, Deegan) on short contracts at a reasonable wage. And established league players on slightly longer contracts at "the going rate" (Cronin, Byrne, Oman).
don ramo
08/09/2008, 9:21 PM
as i recall shels didnt pay ther players last time they won the league:D
What was O.Brien sent off for?Seems kinda early so was probaly a straight red yes?What for?
sonofstan
08/09/2008, 9:57 PM
What was O.Brien sent off for?Seems kinda early so was probaly a straight red yes?What for?
Two- footed lunge at Anto Murphy - to be fair, anyone else but the drama queen would probably have settled for a yellow - wasn't like he was in on goal or anything.
CharlesThompson
09/09/2008, 12:08 AM
From where I was standing it seemed like a harsh decision. However I spoke with two journo's after the match who were watching from the half way line and both said he deserved to go.
Aside from that, a complete performance andgod knows how I'll turn up for work tomorrow! :o
From where I was standing it seemed like a harsh decision. However I spoke with two journo's after the match who were watching from the half way line and both said he deserved to go.
McChrystals horror tackle on Behan was well worthy of a straight red, absolutely appaling, Denis had a number of stitches to his leg and is doubtful for Saturday
Drogman.
09/09/2008, 9:22 AM
Would I be too cruel in suggesting that Bohs have won a poor league this year? I mean us Drogs fans had to put up with that bullsh*t last season, and considering that most of the clubs are having major problems this season, could one argue that there wasn't much competition?
I think so.
HarpoJoyce
09/09/2008, 9:33 AM
Would I be too cruel in suggesting that Bohs have won a poor league this year? I mean us Drogs fans had to put up with that bullsh*t last season, and considering that most of the clubs are having major problems this season, could one argue that there wasn't much competition?
I think so.
You are unfair to the League. perhaps the best way is seeing what the Pre-season predictions were. These included Drogheda Utd. being the team to beat and unlikely anyone would catch them.
This is a year when more clubs than ever are training full-time. St. Pat's and Bohs are on their second crack at the long-term full-time thing. And while many clubs cannot make the transition in one movement and need more then one attempt, the quality of individual players and clubs' run of results are spread over several clubs.
Every club have attempted to take something from a Bohs game, very few have succeeded.
CharlesThompson
09/09/2008, 9:34 AM
Would I be too cruel in suggesting that Bohs have won a poor league this year? I mean us Drogs fans had to put up with that bullsh*t last season, and considering that most of the clubs are having major problems this season, could one argue that there wasn't much competition?
I think so.
Boo hoo.
sonofstan
09/09/2008, 9:54 AM
Would I be too cruel in suggesting that Bohs have won a poor league this year? I mean us Drogs fans had to put up with that bullsh*t last season, and considering that most of the clubs are having major problems this season, could one argue that there wasn't much competition?
I think so.
It's quite likely that Pat's and Derry will finish on higher points totals than you won the thing with last year, so no.....
Drogman.
09/09/2008, 10:14 AM
It's quite likely that Pat's and Derry will finish on higher points totals than you won the thing with last year, so no.....
I'm not trying to dismiss your success at all, I'm just saying that we ended up winning the league with 3 games to go and everyone said it was a poor league.
Bohs are in pretty much or, slightly better, position and yet everyone says that it's been a brilliant league despite the majority of players not changing.
The full time excuse is rubbish as well, as Bohs, Pats, Cork, Drogs, Sligo, Galway and most of Derry were full time last season.
Anyway as I said, not trying to take anything away from Bohs, very much deserved this season, but I hope people who were crying about how sh*t the league was last year, realize the sense of deja vu this season.
razor
09/09/2008, 10:19 AM
could one argue that there wasn't much competition?You can only beat whats put in front of you, fair dues to them.
BohDiddley
09/09/2008, 10:19 AM
League has been much better this year, and we have come from a good distance behind to (maybe) win it.
If you want to talk about buying the title, then let's have a discussion about the viability of professional football in Ireland: any of the full-time teams, if they were in our position, could be so accused, and all are overspending.
I thought the sending off was harsh at the time, and put it down to Alan Kelly's usual card-happy antics, but the replay shows it to be spot on.
But I don't think it would have changed matters much. From front to back, and through the middle, even with several key players out, that was the most complete performance I've ever seen by any LoI team. If we keep it like that, or even 70% of that, we are unstoppable.
sonofstan
09/09/2008, 10:33 AM
Bohs are in pretty much or, slightly better, position
We're 4 points off your final total with 8 games to go - you lost 3 and drew 11 - we, so far, have lost 1 and drawn 4.......
oh, and you conceded 24 to our 8 so far. It would take a spectacular collapse for us to finish just slightly better than you.
Drogman.
09/09/2008, 11:12 AM
We're 4 points off your final total with 8 games to go - you lost 3 and drew 11 - we, so far, have lost 1 and drawn 4.......
oh, and you conceded 24 to our 8 so far. It would take a spectacular collapse for us to finish just slightly better than you.
Ah yes, but you have to take into account that we had Europe and Setanta cup to deal with as well, so in theory we played a lot more games than you did this season, as you were fairly distraction free.
Some record alright to be fair and can't take that away from you's. I still would put the Shels team under Nutsy being better than you's and us (last season) at the moment, no matter how corrupt the club was.
We're 4 points off your final total with 8 games to go - you lost 3 and drew 11 - we, so far, have lost 1 and drawn 4.......
oh, and you conceded 24 to our 8 so far. It would take a spectacular collapse for us to finish just slightly better than you.
Guys the reason Bohs are top is that they have grinded out more results than anyone else. Any team thaty scores the most goals and concedes the least deserves to win the league. Bohs have won quite a few games by the odd goal meaning wins rather than draws. It doesnt mean the league is any poorer
CharlesThompson
09/09/2008, 3:28 PM
Guys the reason Bohs are top is that they have grinded out more results than anyone else. Any team thaty scores the most goals and concedes the least deserves to win the league. Bohs have won quite a few games by the odd goal meaning wins rather than draws. It doesnt mean the league is any poorer
I'm going to argue that the league this year is stronger than the league last year. One team running away with the league does not automatically mean that the league was weak.
Not hiding my bias here, but this Bohs side is arguably the best Bohs side I have ever seen. I was trying to describe to a friend of mine how Fenlon seems to have the midas touch when it comes to motivating a team. Using Gary Deegan as an example, I would surmise that if Pat Fenlon told him to set fire to his pubes because it would benefit the team, then Deego would set a match to them without question.
At the start of this season everybody was saying that the squads of every team were better. Drogheda had just won the league and strengthened their squad. Pats brought in some good players to improve their squad. Both these sides proved their worth in Europe this year. Derry now had Stephen Kenny back (and can still nick second place). Cork had signed Mooney from Cork and held onto Joe Gamble and with Healy also in midfield and the resigning of Murphy from Scotland you could argue that they had improved. Even bloody Rovers were hopeful of an improvement on last year.
So at the start of the season practically everybody was confident that the league would be stronger this year than last. Pat Fenlon has IMO surprised most people with his ability to motivate players and that my friend is the difference between Bohs and the other sides. Our player would rather die than lose a match. We are playing in a stronger league. We are going to win a stronger league and we are proving that we are better by getting more points than any other team (ever!).
pineapple stu
09/09/2008, 3:38 PM
Shock horror as football team buys players! :eek:
In fairness, you know what he means.
I'm going to argue that the league this year is stronger than the league last year. One team running away with the league does not automatically mean that the league was weak.
Not hiding my bias here, but this Bohs side is arguably the best Bohs side I have ever seen.
In fairness, and even though I'm still a Pat Fenlon sceptic (loads of money again at Bohs), I'd have to agree with that. When Bohs beat us 2-0 in Dalyer, they were one of the best teams I'd seen in the league in a while (until they eased up at half time). Certainly head and shoulders above Drogheda last year. Is it still only two away points dropped all season? And you needed a dodgy penalty for those too. :)
CharlesThompson
09/09/2008, 3:49 PM
In fairness, you know what he means.
In fairness, and even though I'm still a Pat Fenlon sceptic (loads of money again at Bohs), I'd have to agree with that. When Bohs beat us 2-0 in Dalyer, they were one of the best teams I'd seen in the league in a while (until they eased up at half time). Certainly head and shoulders above Drogheda last year. Is it still only two away points dropped all season? And you needed a dodgy penalty for those too. :)
There's no doubting we've ridden our luck a lot this season. We got a couple of peno's that should never have been peno's (and in fairness we all admitted them at the time). We've had win's where draws were probably more likely and even a win at Turners Cross where we couldn't complain if we had lost the match 2 or 3-0.
That said, results and performances like last nights and when we beat Drogheda recently have shown that we haven't exactly fluked our way through the season. I would also guess that the fact we only had 4 games in the Intertoto and we haven't had to play in the Setanta Cup either have benefited our run.
Factors however and all that they are still do not take away from the fact of the league being stronger this season than it was last season, and nobody will convice me otherwise.
Drogman.
09/09/2008, 3:49 PM
So at the start of the season practically everybody was confident that the league would be stronger this year than last. Pat Fenlon has IMO surprised most people with his ability to motivate players and that my friend is the difference between Bohs and the other sides. Our player would rather die than lose a match. We are playing in a stronger league. We are going to win a stronger league and we are proving that we are better by getting more points than any other team (ever!).
That was the same the previous year, even with the exodus of some players.
I'm not saying this season has been weaker, but to be honest, it hasn't exactly been stronger compared to last season. Because some players have come back doesn't exactly mean that the league is stronger. It should be, but as it turned out it hasn't. Bohs have walked it as they have been able to step it up to another level, but the rest of the league haven't.
Bohs have an excellent squad/team of players, and now have set the marker. If the rest don't catch up then it'll turn out to be a one team league like when Shels were at the top.
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