There was a very prominent one directly above the half-way line. Hard to see how UEFA would have missed it, but whether they fined the Georgian football association is another matter.
Anyone know if the Georgian FA will be fined for fans displaying multiple Ukrainian flags in the stadium on Sunday?
There was a very prominent one directly above the half-way line. Hard to see how UEFA would have missed it, but whether they fined the Georgian football association is another matter.
They may well, but unless you're following Georgian news sites, you're unlikely to hear about it.
This "what about other teams" BS has to stop lads
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Why? What is the problem outlining inconsistancies in UEFA rulings? If it bothers you jog on - nobody is making you read the thread!Originally Posted by Dodge
If people can point out any inconsistencies, then go ahead. As has been said before, UEFA don't publish all fines so it's just a guessing game.
A guessing game that is pointless as it doesn't effect Dundalk's case at all
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Which just illustrates how flawed UEFA have become. Maybe Dundalk et al should take their case to the ECHR given people are no longer allowed to even express an opinion.
And credit to the Georgians too, in support of Ukraine. Lovely people in the main, no surprise there.
Dundalk to the ECHR?? You can jog on too!
The right to express an opinion is not an absolute one. This is especially the case on private property or when a voluntary agreement between the two parties concerned allows for the limitation of "offending" expressions. By entering onto the property of the club, those supporters waived any right they might have had to behave how they liked (not that there is such a right even in public, but you know what I mean) and, at the very least, implicitly agreed to conform to the over-riding stadium regulations. Actually, I'd be surprised if those terms weren't explicitly mentioned on their match tickets. Likewise, by Dundalk's participation in UEFA's competition, the club agreed to adhere to UEFA's governing regulations. Such agreement was a condition of participation. Nobody's right to free speech has been involuntarily stifled or trampled upon. People can't just do what they like on private property nor can clubs breach competition rules to which they've agreed to adhere without consequence.
Edit: I should make clear that I'm not lumping the club and those individuals involved into the same boat. The club have denounced their actions. Even if the supporters had a case, I doubt Dundalk would take it to the ECtHR on their behalf. If those involved think they have a case, they can fire away, but they won't get very far.
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Brave talk for a man that won't even go to watch his local LOI side play. It's not you that has to put up with the consequences
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Except they're not and never have been my 'local LOI' side...my own team are no longer even in the LOI, since you didn't ask.
But don't let checking the facts get in the way of daft assertions.
Well, if you don't fight things then people will continue to sh*t on you...
The point remains that you have nothing to lose with your "daft assertions" while they very much do
I never said Dundalk were your local side either. You've been fairly adamant about who you do/don't support on these forums
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What case do the individuals involved or the club have that would justify appealing to the ECtHR though? What is there to fight? Both respective parties, the individuals involved and the club, voluntarily waived certain rights they might have otherwise had by either: attending the game in Oriel Park, private property of the Casey family, and agreeing to adhere to the terms of entry, as in the case of the fans; or, by participating in the Europa League and agreeing to conform to the governing regulations as laid down by UEFA, as in the case of the club. The individuals involved were the ones sh*tting on their club and I understand the club have moved to ban them from Oriel Park, as is the club's right. What else can Dundalk do realistically?Well, if you don't fight things then people will continue to sh*t on you...
Dodge,
If you say so...gurning about modern football and how the LOI receives a raw deal. Fair enough.
Clearly, you don't realise insipid morons like UEFA are part of the problem...never mind anyone else's 'assertions' !!
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TskEh, I do know that! But Supporters dont read a list of UEFA directives before they head to the game. Plenty of petty rules do be broken all around the place. Difference between the football competition and the silly bureaucracy (a nice little earner for UEFA).
I know, but more fool them. Accepting undemocratic organisations interference. As is the case with most other clubs.
UEFA are a sanitised shower who exist in their own corporate bubble and deserve to be challenged whenever possible...there's a point of principle and feck the consequences.
Whether they read them or not, the supporters agreed to adhere to Dundalk's ground regulations simply by their entry into the stadium. The regulations state the following:Tsk
It's not a petty matter though; this has needlessly cost Dundalk €18,000. Participation in the competition cannot be distinguished from the governing regulations either. Acceptance of the rules is a condition of participation.
What's the alternative? Opting out of UEFA competition? Why would or should Dundalk do that? Is there another democratic body that organises football in Europe to whom Dundalk can instead align themselves? The club are happy to adhere to UEFA's regulations, like all other clubs participating in UEFA competition around Europe. Are there clubs around Europe that shun UEFA's authority? Is there some way how Dundalk might have participated in UEFA's competition without having to conform to the competition rules?
What is the principle though? I don't disagree with your opinion of UEFA, but how should Dundalk just ignore the consequences? How should they challenge UEFA? It's easy to say that, but how would Dundalk go about putting this into action? What would it involve? If Dundalk decided to just dismiss the consequences, they'd be banned from Europe and the FAI would probably suffer some form of penalty too. It's simply not realistic to tell Dundalk, "F*ck the consequences!"UEFA are a sanitised shower who exist in their own corporate bubble and deserve to be challenged whenever possible...there's a point of principle and feck the consequences.
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Hmm, you're way too rational Danny!
Remember plenty of protests at both home and elsewhere, which make a few flags look very tame.
It's not just down to Dundalk/LOI/Ireland, but up to as many people as possible to challenge UEFA's interfering and hypocrisy.
Though these days we're probably waiting for some nerd to start a petition or Facebook page...
FFS.
That's all well and good, but what use is it to Dundalk in the here and now? What can Dundalk do to challenge UEFA, even if they wanted to?
Not the least of which are grammar, it seems.
In fairness, Benno, that little transgression is Shakesperian compare to the toe-curling tripe the banned banner band have produced!
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