Oldest Programmes for your club ?

**Dodge** · 21/05/2009, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

I'm heading over for the Belast Fayre on the Saturday, but hadn't realised the show was heading on to Ath Cliath the next day. Is it the same dealers with the same stuff at both events do you know ? Do yuo knwo who the organsier is ?

BTW - is there still a two-way split in the Republic's formal football programme collecting fraternity ?

Yeah, the same dealers from UK would be involved. Not 100% certain on whether some ROI clubs are represented at the NI fair. Pats, Bohs and Rovers usually have a representative at the Dublin fair.

I'm not involved in any clubs but its run by the same people who have always run it. I think they're called Irish Programme collectors Club (or something like that). Gspain will know for sure.

**gspain** · 21/05/2009, 6:38 PM

The Programme fair is in the St. andrews Resource Centre in Pearse street on Sunday May 31st approx 10.30am-2pm. Normally the same Cross Channel dealers go to both Belfast on the saturday and Dublin on the sunday. However they often have different stock. Local collectors will sell spares as well.

It is run by the Irish Football programme collectors club which has been around since approx 1981. We've had more splits since your average terrorist group.

A rival Irish football programme collectos society was setup in the 1980's but is long defunct.

The Northern Ireland fair in in Georges Market on Saturday May 30th again approx 10.30am-2pm. I'm on the early morning BMI LHR to Belfast flight after the Nigeria game so say hello ifg you make the fair.

The Dundalk v Drums March 1932 is held by a Dundalk fan and collector. I have Dundalk v Shels September 1932. I've seen and have a photocopy of a Cork FC v Shamrock Rovers 1931 issue which is probably the oldest extant LoI club programme. The owner is not a collecter as such but has no wish to sell.
Apart from the Dundalk v Bohs mentioned I don't know of any other Dundalk homes until 37/8. Since then Dundalk have been probably the country's most prolific programme producers.

Programmes exist for FAI Cup finals as far back as 1924, 26,27 and 30 also exist - Bohs v Cardiff friendly 1925. The oldest extant programme from what is now the RoI is for an Ireland v England amateur International 1908 in Dalymount. A programme also exists for Ireland v England 1912 British championship at Dalymount.

Programmes are known to exist for all senior home Internationals except Belgium 1929 although I suspect one was produced.

However new issues still turn up all the time. ebay has certainly unearthed quite a few old items.

**Martinho II** · 21/05/2009, 7:05 PM

anyone from foot.ie going to the fair?

**Martinho II** · 21/05/2009, 7:09 PM

I will be going to the fair myself representing Longford Town .i have a lot of match programs to get rid of

**gspain** · 21/05/2009, 7:11 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Wasn't even aware we played Leeds. Any details on the game?

I assume we did nothing for our various non-league FAI Cup appearances or the Intermediate Cup finals?

UCD v Leeds was August 7th 1971. No idea re the score but I'm sure collegetillidie will know.

UCD v Celtic was November 7th 1969 and was a 75th anniversary game.

Cork Athletic issued v UCD in the cup in 1957. I can't think of any others or indeed any issues for Intermediate cup finals.

**DeNiro** · 21/05/2009, 7:27 PM

Originally Posted by Martinho II

anyone from foot.ie going to the fair?

Can't make it this year, first I missed in a long time

. It's an interesting and indeed expensive dayout!

**pineapple stu** · 22/05/2009, 8:08 AM

Originally Posted by gspain

UCD v Celtic was November 7th 1969 and was a 75th anniversary game.

Knew about that one alright; think George Casey refereed it. Also think we got utterly hammered. Wouldn't be surprised if the Leeds game was similar. Will try CTID on it though, cheers.

**seand** · 22/05/2009, 8:29 AM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Knew about that one alright; think George Casey refereed it. Also think we got utterly hammered. Wouldn't be surprised if the Leeds game was similar. Will try CTID on it though, cheers.

10-0 to Celtic I believe

**pineapple stu** · 22/05/2009, 8:31 AM

Ssssh!

**Mark** · 22/05/2009, 10:51 AM

i can only go on what my dad says about St pat's.
He's sure there were progs for the junior finals. some of his uncles played in them. There were defo programmes (though not neccesaraly every game) for home games in chapelizod and milltown. maybe they were cup games only?

he believes there was a programme for the first game in chapelizod. there was certainly one later in the season he thinks, because it included a photo of mayor alfie byrne who had done the opening ceremony at the first game there. those photos appeared in the indo the following day after the first game there - i have photocopies of the pics and report.

seemingly there were huge gaps in the 60s and 70s - no prog for the game in which gordon banks played against rovers as far as my dad knows - though again he may be wrong.

i've none from the 50's tough i have a photocopy of the benefit game for jimmy timber cummins that was played against distillery - derek dougan played in it. the original was signed by Jimmy.

the pats programme editor is pat o'callaghan. i'd say he's the best port of call for more info.

**dcfcsteve** · 23/05/2009, 3:32 PM

Originally Posted by gspain

The Northern Ireland fair in in Georges Market on Saturday May 30th again approx 10.30am-2pm. I'm on the early morning BMI LHR to Belfast flight after the Nigeria game so say hello ifg you make the fair.

I'm on the 6:50am flight out of LHR if that's the one you're on Gary ? Twenty years after I was supposed to meet you before the 1989 cup final as a kid to sell you an old programme, we may finally get to say hello.....

Originally Posted by gspain

It is run by the Irish Football programme collectors club which has been around since approx 1981. We've had more splits since your average terrorist group.

A rival Irish football programme collectos society was setup in the 1980's but is long defunct.

Can you PM contact details for the IFPCC ? I haven't been a member in years, and couldn't find anything about them in Google. Thanks.

**dcfcsteve** · 29/05/2009, 1:50 AM

Originally Posted by Martinho II

I will be going to the fair myself representing Longford Town .i have a lot of match programs to get rid of

Martinho - I'm going to the Dublin fayre now, so bring any Town v City programmes you have

**Martinho II** · 29/05/2009, 5:59 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Martinho - I'm going to the Dublin fayre now, so bring any Town v City programmes you have

well dcfcsteve I will have all my programmes there with me.. look forward to catchin up with you.. its a long four years since wales!

**Blue-Army** · 29/05/2009, 7:57 PM

I have 2 old programmes...

Cup Final Offical Programme - Cork Athletic V. Shamrock Rvs.
Dalymount Park. Sunday, April 29, 1956.

and,

League of Ireland v. Hesse Football Association
Dalymount Park, Sunday 12th February 1956.

Both are in perfect condition. No marks etc..

Anyone know if they're worth anything? I probably wouldn't sell...just curious.

**Dodge** · 30/05/2009, 10:28 AM

Not really. I bought the 1954 Cup final programme for €3 a few years ago

The LOI one might be a rare enought thing (as I've never even heard of the Hesse Football Association)

**pól-dcfc** · 30/05/2009, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Not really. I bought the 1954 Cup final programme for €3 a few years ago

The LOI one might be a rare enought thing (as I've never even heard of the Hesse Football Association)

It's a local association in Southern Germany. Bit like a Bundesliga -v- Munster FA match

**Mark** · 30/05/2009, 12:40 PM

the '56 final is quite common. lots of rovers fans i know have it.
the hesse ones are harder to find. the LOI played them several times - sometimes its refered to as hessen league, or is that a totally different league?!

**dcfcsteve** · 30/05/2009, 1:10 PM

Originally Posted by Mark

the hesse ones are harder to find. the LOI played them several times - sometimes its refered to as hessen league, or is that a totally different league?!

It's the same league - just two different names/translations.

LOI played them three times in Ireland : definitely on 12th May 1954and 12th February 1956, and also a third one I believe as well.

The programmes aren't all that difficult to come by in fairness. Probablty worth about a tenner, depending on which game it's from and what the condition is.

**gspain** · 31/05/2009, 8:37 PM

Originally Posted by Blue-Army

I have 2 old programmes...

Cup Final Offical Programme - Cork Athletic V. Shamrock Rvs.
Dalymount Park. Sunday, April 29, 1956.

and,

League of Ireland v. Hesse Football Association
Dalymount Park, Sunday 12th February 1956.

Both are in perfect condition. No marks etc..

Anyone know if they're worth anything? I probably wouldn't sell...just curious.

Great to meet Marty and dcfcsteve at the fair.

The Hesse League programme is worth about 5-10 euro. Germany didn't have a proper national league until the 1960s. The Hesse league is from the area around Frankfurt.

1954 Dublin 1-0 Loi
1955 Frankfurt lost 7-2
1955 Kassel lost 5-0
1956 Dublin 4-1 LoI
1960 Dublin 5-2 LoI (alfie Hale hatrick)

None of the Dublin programme are anyway rare but the 2 German issues are very rare. Looks like home advantage meant a lot in those ties.

**dcfcsteve** · 31/05/2009, 8:52 PM

Good to see Gary and Marty at the Fayre today - a good turnout and a nice set-up. Will definitely be back next year.

Marty - how much did you take for the club in the end ? I'm gonna offer to run one for City next year if it seems like it'd be worthwhile.

Gary - how did you think Belfast and Dublin went versus previous years ?