Has anybody see this story from the BBC about an Irish girl being denied permission to trave to Britain for an abortion?
Surely it is illegal to deny travel rights unless on suspicion of a crime of some sort, which abortion is not, in Britain.
Makes for pretty perverse reading, especially the psychiatrists view.
It is illegal. The AG says they have no right to detain her, the Gardaí say they can't, etc.
The HSE needs to stfu and let the poor girl go before they do any more damage to her or themselves.
As if they didn't have enough on their bloody plates...
adam
Gardai entitled to prevent travel unless there is a risk of suicide or a clear risk to the mothers health.
Agree its ridiculous.
Also bemused by the appointment of council to act for the foetus (which will only survive for a few days outside of the womb).
But then again, there was a referendum relatively recently on the abortion question.
I dont think anyone will actually stop her , she should have said nothing and just gone like the rest do .
While i dont agree with abortion i think in this case its acceptable . In most other cases it isnt .
Was there not a referendum which allowed a right to travel and information about 10 years ago?Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
It would seem that she was planning to, and the HSE got wind of it. But that's hardly the way it should be anyway.
In other news, all travel links to Holland will now be cut in case Irish people smoke pot or use prostitutes there.
Aw ffs!!! where do they expect me to score teenage amputee eskimo 'round here?
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
So we onto Miss D case. How long before we reach the end of the alphabeth?
The entire system is a mess - its illegal here but ok to travel abroad to commit act that is illegal here.
Truelly an irish solution to an irish problem.
Are you agreeing with her being detained or what?So we onto Miss D case. How long before we reach the end of the alphabeth?
The entire system is a mess - its illegal here but ok to travel abroad to commit act that is illegal here.
Truelly an irish solution to an irish problem.
Yeah, 13th and 14th amendments to the Constitution. I presume the problems in this case are because the girl is under 18?
Saved by Ryanair....
It's disgusting that the state, via the HSE has interferred in such a way. Fair play to Miss D for not taking the easy option of just saying she was suicidal, and questioning anyone's right to interfere with what she wants to do with with her own body least of all some (probably) busy body catholic fundamentalist in the HSE.
Hopefully the EU will eventually rule that the ban here, for what it's worth, is illegal anyway. Probably would've already if it wasn't for the time contraints involved in taking a case.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
The HSE in this case are acting in 'locus parentis' ie they recently obtained a District Court Child protection order... so in effect they because she is a minor have the same powers/resonsubilites that ordinary parents have over their kids. So the fact that citizens have the right to travel to other countries to avail of services not available here only applies to citizens 18 and over.
The issue for the HSE is that IMO whilst they fully intend to allow her to travel they feel it best to have the issues involved tested in the courts.
Also some reference was made to the Court appointing a legal team to represent the rights of the 'unborn' child. Again it is necessary to this as a result of the confusion that still pertains as to what exactly are the legal rights of an 'unbron child'.
The whole mess is a result of the fact that FF/PDs having being 10 years in power didn't have the courage to legislate for all aspects of the 'aborition' issue and instead have left us in a legal limbo as a result of stupid referendums which have been held to placate right wing nutters.
On numerous occasions over the last 10/15 years judges have again and again called on the legislatures to legislate for this.... of course they have failed to do so as they are cowards and thus kids/young adults like Miss D are left to suffer.
There is an absurdity to the whole thing alright which actually comes across better when read through foreign press sources.
Just google Anaecephalus "news".
I wouldn't google "images" if you're any way squeamish. I'd an older sister born in the late '60's with this condition and I don't mind admitting I found it quite upsetting when I realised what had actually happened to her. We were always just told she was stillborn and it wasn't until far more recently we got any details. My mam never even got to hold her. Whipped away as soon as she was born like she was some kind of 'devil-child'. Her name's 'Mary' ...given to her by the nurses.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Agree that the situation is ridiculous and forcing the HSE to bring cases to Court to get guidance on how to proceed is a farce.
As a matter of interest CJ, within what scope does the Constitution, as amended, allow the Government to legislate? How far can they realistically go without becoming unconstitutional?
From memory the referendum was in 1992(ish) and was raised because a 14 year old had been raped, so surely the fact that she is under 18 would have been covered in the subsequent amendments?Yeah, 13th and 14th amendments to the Constitution. I presume the problems in this case are because the girl is under 18?
Preventing people the freedom to travel is a thin line away from a fascist state.
As a matter of interest CJ, within what scope does the Constitution, as amended, allow the Government to legislate? How far can they realistically go without becoming unconstitutional?[/QUOTE]
The Govt can't legislate via the Constitution per se... they can however hold a referendum to (1) Delete an article or part of same, (2) add to an article and/or change one.
However the problem arises from the fact that they continue to in practice attempt to legislate via the Constitution but such changes more often than not have ended up having to be interputed by the Supreme Court who have a habit of sometimes making an interputation that causes more 'issues'.
Thus it makes sense to legislate on this issue rather than coming up with rigid ammendments to the Constitution and the courts have as I mentioned on a number of occasions stated that is the way to deal with this... however at the risk of repeating my self FF/PDs have shyed away from doing that... its called cuteness by some but IMO it's plain and simple cowardice.
If the reason she's having an abortion is that the child is going to die... and the irish legal system insists that this child has rights the same as any of us, it would open a massive can of worms were she allowed to "terminate" (don't know why the media has stopped saying abort, both words mean the same thing) on that basis. You could have a euthanasia case call the "Miss D" case as precedent.
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Here's the BBC's take on it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6618911.stm
Yea she doesnt want to have to go through carryin gthe baby for 9 months and giving birth for he/she to die . they give the baby a life expectancy of 1 to 2 days .
Normally i am against abortion and i dont think this "its a womans body she cant be told what to do" holds any water . But in a few cases its for the best .
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