Shelbourne FC Demoted to First Division - All Purpose Thread

**BohsPartisan** · 02/02/2007, 8:03 AM

Originally Posted by Drogman.

Some people on here have said that it made the league look like a joke, well in all fairness, it has been a joke for a past number of years, that's why changes are being made.

More of a joke then. For example Miriam mentioning our ground deal in the same breath as the Shels and DC fiascos as if its a bad thing.

**BohsPartisan** · 02/02/2007, 8:04 AM

Originally Posted by paudie

Isn't that what Tiger Woods married?

We should deffo go for that.

**Macy** · 02/02/2007, 9:00 AM

Originally Posted by Gareth

There is a HUGE difference, in that there is a potential asset of 20million ish. Debts in common alright, but that asset is something that would make a deal with fans even more difficult to broker, especially when times were prospering on the field.

The value of the Tallaght site wouldn't have been that much different - why were the property developers sniffing around and lending Rovers money for a stake if it wasn't worth a huge amount?

**bohs til i die** · 02/02/2007, 9:09 AM

Originally Posted by Gareth

There is a HUGE difference, in that there is a potential asset of 20million ish.

I think you'll find that asset is worth a lot less. A third is already gone, another 3rd is already spent and a chunk of the other 3rd will be drip fed to Shels over the next year if Finbar Flood can do a deal to keep Shels in business.

This time next year [or the year after], Shels will be millionaire's, just, and thats all you'll have. No Tolka, just the last million or so from the sale of Tolka because Ollie spent the rest buying titles, one of which you should be stripped of.

The proceeds from the sale of Tolka Park lease were supposed to be used to re-establish the sporting entity at another location, not spent on not paying players wages.

**bohs til i die** · 02/02/2007, 9:13 AM

Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

Kehoe wasn't callenged either when he insinuated that the average attendance is 3 to 4 hundred!

well the discussion was primarily about Shels

**BohsPartisan** · 02/02/2007, 9:22 AM

Originally Posted by bohs til i die

well the discussion was primarily about Shels

But he was talking about the league in general at that stage.

**Jerry The Saint** · 02/02/2007, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by sniffa

12 million is peanuts when you read this.

Fourteen months after US financier Malcolm Glazer and his family took over Manchester United in a hotly contested takeover battle, the club's improving financial prospects have been reflected in a £660m debt reinfinancing deal. The deal will cut the club's annual interest bill and strengthen the Glazer family's grip on the club. A spokesman for the Glazers said the amended structure would continue to provide manager Alex Ferguson with 'sufficient funds in the transfer market'. The Financial Times, citing people familiar with the package, said the club's annual interest charge would fall to £62m, compared to £90m under the old deal. It said overall borrowings would rise to £660m from £580m, but the club had halved to £135m the amount they owe in the form of higher risk payment-in-kind notes.

Now thats frightening!!

I don't know about that - compare the worldwide television and merchandising income of Manchester U with that of Shelbourne F. 12 mill is bonkers debt whatever way you look at it.

**NY Hoop** · 02/02/2007, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Philo

Would have been funnier to see how much he squirmed had he been asked how come he completely sold out the PFAI as soon as Delaney offered him a job with the FAI and why his final act as head of the PFAI was to move the organisation's offices into FAI HQ.

Very true. His appointment stinks and he was clueless last night. Couldnt believe he had the nerve at the end to say that in 2009 there will be a fully professional 10 team league

HOW??

Miriam, you good thing, asked all the right questions IMO.

KOH

**paul_oshea** · 02/02/2007, 10:33 AM

steve i reckon you should chair some shelbourne fans takeover with all your enthusiasm and belief in how possible it is

**paul_oshea** · 02/02/2007, 10:36 AM

The proceeds from the sale of Tolka Park lease were supposed to be used to re-establish the sporting entity at another location, not spent on not paying players wages.

yes well pointed out, the sale would have cleared debts and wages, and possibly paid for the wages for another couple few months, but after that ye would be back in the same position

**jebus** · 02/02/2007, 11:19 AM

Gavin was shocking last night, turned it off after he squirmed his way around Miriam asking if Shels getting a Premier licence made a joke of the whole process, and Dolan did his usual profit of doom act

**pete** · 02/02/2007, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by jebus

...and Dolan did his usual profit of doom act

Almost forgot about him...

Pat Dolan saying clubs should live within their means

Next up Roddy Collins to back up Dolan.

**WeAreRovers** · 02/02/2007, 11:29 AM

And if you only knew how much that incompetent fool Gavin is on....

KOH

**Paraic** · 02/02/2007, 11:29 AM

Didn't see it, but it's a prety poor indictment of the FAI's PR skills. A trip down to see Bunny Carr might be required for Mr Gavin.

It seems to be a trend though - we had a few of the senior guys in Sligo a couple of seasons ago (03) and I thought the standard of speaking could have been a lot better.

Fran Rooney was at the helm and I really expected him to be a lot better, given the kind of presentations he should have been used to with Baltimore. He was very average.

Brendon Dillon was head of the league at the time, and he was very articulate - a good speaker - pity he's out of things.

I can't remember who else spoke that night, but it was far from inspirational stuff.

**wws** · 02/02/2007, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by jebus

and Dolan did his usual profit of doom act

profit of doom

you suggesting he profits from doom?

is this related to the doyle transfer!???!

**corbyeire** · 02/02/2007, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by wws

profit of doom

you suggesting he profits from doom?

is this related to the doyle transfer!???!

very good

**dcfcsteve** · 02/02/2007, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

steve i reckon you should chair some shelbourne fans takeover with all your enthusiasm and belief in how possible it is

I'd be happy to host them in the Stockwell Multiplex ! Drop me a PM with your flight details boys, and I'll get the tea and biscuits in....

I'm just an eternal optimist POS. Also - with a background in 'political' representation and running campaigns, I probably have greater faith in the power of individuals than most people do. And I'm a supporter and shareholder in a fn-controlled club who have done exactly the type of thing that Shels fans arguably need to do (AFC Wimbledon).

People tend to totally under-estimate the level of power and influence they can have if and when they get organised - which is a huge shame.

**Jerry The Saint** · 02/02/2007, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Paraic

Didn't see it, but it's a prety poor indictment of the FAI's PR skills. A trip down to see Bunny Carr might be required for Mr Gavin.

It seems to be a trend though - we had a few of the senior guys in Sligo a couple of seasons ago (03) and I thought the standard of speaking could have been a lot better.

Theory about Delaney appointments - do you think he* deliberately hands out important jobs to incompetents to make himself look better. He made his name during Saipan by being the only available FAI person who could (barely) string two sentences together.

When I say "he" appoints people I mean, of course, a faceless FAI committee which means Delaney isn't accountable for bad decisions.

**pete** · 02/02/2007, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

Theory about Delaney appointments - do you think he* deliberately hands out important jobs to incompetents to make himself look better.

If you appoint incompetent people you are responsible. Same in any company so would make no sense. A successful or improved FAI eLOI boosts Delaneys position unless he is looking to be sacked & given golden handshake for remaining 5-6 years of his contract.

**neutrino** · 02/02/2007, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

Theory about Delaney appointments - do you think he* deliberately hands out important jobs to incompetents to make himself look better. He made his name during Saipan by being the only available FAI person who could (barely) string two sentences together.

When I say "he" appoints people I mean, of course, a faceless FAI committee which means Delaney isn't accountable for bad decisions.

Unfortunately, as has been said before i'm sure, alot of people in the FAI are simply not football people. the politics in el circles is such that it's nigh on impossible for anybody who wants to - to progress in football admin in this country. How many of these officials came up through the ranks for example i.e supported local club, into club, then onto fai's top chair.

alot of pish posh has been talked about reform and blah blah etc, but we've yet to see it. his favourite is always talkin grass-roots football, yet some counties in this country have far less facilities for kids / youth football than most developing countries have.

the licencing is obviously got by the the old irish nudge and a wink. i havent read all threads here but how shels got a licence is not just a question that should be answered, it borders on criminal negligence. same could be said of dub city debacle.

anyway it's my opinon that all this reform is just the self-appointed delaney appeasing the uefa's and fifa's of this world so he can continue junketing around with the national team. you simply cant be seen as creditable, when your a faceless, unaccountable, untransparent and grossly paranoid administration.