How can the eL survive...

**Pablo** · 07/06/2006, 9:37 AM

When a top billing game like Shels V Derry gets less than 1000 through the turnstiles?

Shels must be in trouble if thats all they get.

**lofty9** · 07/06/2006, 10:06 AM

More like How do Shelbourne survive? If that match was at the Brandywell last night there would have been in excess of 4,000 people at it.

**Real ale Madrid** · 07/06/2006, 10:27 AM

What distractions were there last night? There was nothing else on.

**BohsFans** · 07/06/2006, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Pablo

When a top billing game like Shels V Derry gets less than 1000 through the turnstiles?

Shels must be in trouble if thats all they get.

They couldn't even produce a programme at the Bohs game, because they owed their printers money.

Probably their biggest attendence of the season and they lost out on that earner.

**Danny** · 07/06/2006, 10:28 AM

Tuesday night football, the day after a bank holiday and with very little media exposure doesnt work....

**NY Hoop** · 07/06/2006, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

Summer Football does not work too many distractions

Nonsense shels would get the same crowd no matter when it was played. Dont forget crowds are down midweek too.

Summer football has improved European results and overall the crowds have not declined.

KOH

**Poor Student** · 07/06/2006, 10:29 AM

Don't worry, the new Super Duper league will fix it all. See, you put the big clubs playing together and you have instantly large gates.

**BohsFans** · 07/06/2006, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Danny

Tuesday night football, the day after a bank holiday and with very little media exposure doesnt work....

Remind me why it was originally was called off again?

Oh yeah because those idiots at Tolka gave a booking to the FAI for an u-17 international.

They don't even play 90 mins

**Dodge** · 07/06/2006, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Nonsense

Really? You think Summer football has worked in terms of crowds? Can't see nay improvement.
Makes it nocer for the hardcore though

**Billy Lord** · 07/06/2006, 10:39 AM

Rogue Trader: summer football is the best thing that's happened to Irish football in decades. Are you seriously suggesting that we go back to sheets of rain on freezing cold January evenings? I was in Galway last Friday and it was a great evening for a game; away trips are a joy instead of a chore and I travel much more now than in the past.
If you can't get people out when the weather is good, how are you going to attract them in winter? It's not the weather's fault, it's down to the product and its packaging.

**Roverstillidie** · 07/06/2006, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Really? You think Summer football has worked in terms of crowds? Can't see nay improvement.
Makes it nocer for the hardcore though

to be fair, attendences are up across the board, pats probably being the only exception. and thats more to do with the on the field decline than the summer time.

**Pablo** · 07/06/2006, 11:10 AM

i'm genuinely shocked by that attendance. i know the jibes are about Shels having no fans but less that 1000 at a game of that importance defies belief

**Sniffer** · 07/06/2006, 11:23 AM

Was at the game, and based on last night's performance, Derr should be given a bye to every cup final, their fans brought a fantastic atmosphere to the game. Was sitting right beside them and they were so loud all the way through that you felt the ground was packed, even though the far side was completely empty.

**wws** · 07/06/2006, 11:35 AM

summer football aint working (and i'd wager any money pats have the best crowds in dublin - and even they are pathetic)

check out el weekly
beautiful weather
dreadful attendances

and thats across the board. I suppose I could dabble in some delusion and believe the "attendance" thread on this board - but I dont need to - I can see it with my own eyes.

Reducing the prem to ten teams would kill it stone dead on this evidence

**ColinR** · 07/06/2006, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by wws

summer football aint working

winter football was not working either. your memories of winter football are probably clouded by the fact that pats were winning leagues when we last played winter football, but believe below the top, it was not a nice experience.

bad pitches, bad crowds, bad football and bloody freezing weather - how can anybody want to go back to that

**wws** · 07/06/2006, 11:44 AM

i dont think i want to go back to it

its just the present format has not improved attendances
it has a fragmented structure which inhibits the game and doesnt promote it

the problem for me lies when people running the game trot out the line that summer football has led to an increase in attendances - it clearly has done nothing of the sort

**BohsFans** · 07/06/2006, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by wws

(and i'd wager any money pats have the best crowds in dublin - and even they are pathetic)

wrong. It's Bohs.

**wws** · 07/06/2006, 11:52 AM

you give me certified attendance figures so.

or is this from the official el yip-do-skippedy-do-99-one-hundred-school of counting?

**Poor Student** · 07/06/2006, 11:55 AM

Do Pat's still give out official attendance figures at half time?

**NY Hoop** · 07/06/2006, 11:56 AM

Yeah lets go back to ****ty weather and our teams getting hammered in europe

Attendances have not changed significantly since summer football was brought in but the European results have.

Once the facilities are in place at every ground you will have an increase in crowds. How long that will take? Who knows?

But going back to winter football will be the death knell. Only nutters like keely and matthews want it and look at the "football" they produce.

KOH